16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

The decision to throw Patricia in there was always a death knell for the season, and I don't think it was Sirianni's idea, the Front Office overreacted to a couple of bad beatings against League leading offenses with rookie and UDFA backups manning the secondary and reached down to install the guy they imposed as defensive consultant in the off season.

Sunday was embarrassing defensively, but they can't go back to Desai now, because it would require the front office to show humility and admit they screwed the pooch, by handing the reins to a guy who has no idea how to call a defense without Bill Bellichick to talk him through it.  Dropping 35 year old Brandon Graham in to coverage?  What sort of horse's ass defensive play calling is that? That alone should've given Howie thoughts of pulling the plug, the players should be laughing him out of the film room.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

 

We're fine there...

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Ravens fully committed to it drafting Queen in the first and trading for smith. Niners took greenlaw in the 5th round and Werner in the 3rd. They just scouted well and hit on middle round guys. 

Assuming Howie and Lurie force Nick to make changes, I'd like to see somewhat of a radical departure in scheme on both sides. 

Offensive coordinator -- I'm sure I'll be killed for this, but I'd see if Kellen Moore comes available. His offenses in Dallas were top notch, and there are similarities between Jalen and Dak. I'd pass on Bienemy -- haven't seen much away from Andy. Another very young name would be Tee Martin, QB coach of the Ravens. I can't see Reich taking the job either. 

Defensive coordinator -- Jesse Minter is top of the list. If Eberflus is fired in Chcago, maybe he makes some sense. 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

To be fair I love watching these teams that defend by bringing ball carriers down with tackles rather than the pinball bumper almost buddhist approach we take to tackling.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Assuming Howie and Lurie force Nick to make changes, I'd like to see somewhat of a radical departure in scheme on both sides. 

Offensive coordinator -- I'm sure I'll be killed for this, but I'd see if Kellen Moore comes available. His offenses in Dallas were top notch, and there are similarities between Jalen and Dak. I'd pass on Bienemy -- haven't seen much away from Andy. Another very young name would be Tee Martin, QB coach of the Ravens. I can't see Reich taking the job either. 

Defensive coordinator -- Jesse Minter is top of the list. If Eberflus is fired in Chcago, maybe he makes some sense. 

They interviewed Minter last year. 

4 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The decision to throw Patricia in there was always a death knell for the season, and I don't think it was Sirianni's idea, the Front Office overreacted to a couple of bad beatings against League leading offenses with rookie and UDFA backups manning the secondary and reached down to install the guy they imposed as defensive consultant in the off season.

Sunday was embarrassing defensively, but they can't go back to Desai now, because it would require the front office to show humility and admit they screwed the pooch, by handing the reins to a guy who has no idea how to call a defense without Bill Bellichick to talk him through it.  Dropping 35 year old Brandon Graham in to coverage?  What sort of horse's ass defensive play calling is that? That alone should've given Howie thoughts of pulling the plug, the players should be laughing him out of the film room.

Weren't they 29th when he took over? They need a new one without question but it's hard to switch things drastically in the middle of the year.

9 minutes ago, metal said:

That's fair to say right now for sure. He'll be here next season so hopefully he turns it around. But I don't think that should preclude the Eagles from trying to address the position further. Hopefully they agree but I worry they'll see him as the solution to LB issues and just do what they have done in the past without really upgrading there.

I want Edgerrin Cooper in the draft so bad.

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I'm so tired hearing about Hurts' 40 TDs. As a team, the Eagles rank 15th in total TDs. That is the very definition of mediocre. They are 18th in passing TDs. 

How many of Hurts' 40 TDs are beyond replacement value by an average NFL QB (passing) or even by a RB (rushing)?

Hurts has struggled at times but he has produced.  The big issue on offense is the design and choices.  I think he will execute and can execute better calls.  He's not getting much help.  I mean look at how many times this season the scramble drill doesn't result in a wide open WR.  They just look unprepared every week. Hurts is an above average QB.  

The biggest issue is on defense.  It's not even a talent issue as much as it is scheme and poor fundamentals.  They repeatedly make the same poor decisions not pressing receivers on 3rd and short.  The LBs are never appropriately positioned in zone coverage.  They are late to react.  They get beat by the same rub routes, stack formations and out breaking routes every game.  The middle of the field is always open because the safeties are so far back and the LBs never get enough depth.  These should be obvious fixes but they're not.  I can't imagine what they're seeing on film to think they don't need to change.  

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

It's a very interesting argument -- at what point is a position devalued so greatly around the league that it becomes a good value investment? Maybe we are there with off ball LBs at this point. I don't think we are there with RBs, as the value above replacement isn't great and is mainly dependent on line play. But look at someone like TJ Edwards -- real value for the money he is being paid. 

Howie needs to pivot and seek the value.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

They interviewed Minter last year. 

Yeah, and they screwed up. Time to correct that mistake.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Who do you want to bring in as head coach?  The second choice to Sirianni was Josh McDaniels.  You really think bringing in McDaniels wouldn't have set the organization back for years??  They went 10-7 with Gruden and Bisaccia, then careened to 9-16 with McDaniels.  

I think some of you guys really like to forget stuff that went on just 2-3 years ago.  When Sirianni was hired here was the coaching new hires cycle:

 

NY Jets -- Robert Saleh.  Owner has just had to publicly vouch for both Saleh and Joe Douglas because so many people want them fired.  No positive results.

Houston -- David Culley.  Nuff said

Jacksonville -- Urban Meyer.  Nuff said

Chargers -- Brandon Staley.  Put the organization back at least 5 years.

Lions -- Dan Campbell.  Excellent hire after a very awkward initial PC.  Ditto for Sirianni

Falcons -- Arthur Smith.  Set the organization back at least 5 years.

 

Some of these posters want us to be the Raiders and Panthers hiring new coaches all the time.

I don't think they should fire Sirianni.  This is the first sign of trouble and you just want to blow everything up so quickly?  Give him a chance to correct things.  It's not going to happen overnight.

If the team is still playing like this next year then by all means he can be replaced.

I just don't like giving up on a coach so quickly especially with the success he's had.

It's not like he's had 3 straight 6-11 seasons.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Weren't they 29th when he took over? They need a new one without question but it's hard to switch things drastically in the middle of the year.

He's faced Seattle with a back up QB, New York Giants with a third string QB and the 2024 Arizona Cardinals at home and Sunday was our worst defensive display of the year.

 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Hurts has struggled at times but he has produced.  The big issue on offense is the design and choices.  I think he will execute and can execute better calls.  He's not getting much help.  I mean look at how many times this season the scramble drill doesn't result in a wide open WR.  They just look unprepared every week. Hurts is an above average QB.  

The biggest issue is on defense.  It's not even a talent issue as much as it is scheme and poor fundamentals.  They repeatedly make the same poor decisions not pressing receivers on 3rd and short.  The LBs are never appropriately positioned in zone coverage.  They are late to react.  They get beat by the same rub routes, stack formations and out breaking routes every game.  The middle of the field is always open because the safeties are so far back and the LBs never get enough depth.  These should be obvious fixes but they're not.  I can't imagine what they're seeing on film to think they don't need to change.  

Also, given the contract, there's no way in hell Hurts isn't here for at least 2 more years at a minimum. So, we have to change the coaching/personnel/scheme to maximize Hurts as he is an immutable object. 

10 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The decision to throw Patricia in there was always a death knell for the season, and I don't think it was Sirianni's idea, the Front Office overreacted to a couple of bad beatings against League leading offenses with rookie and UDFA backups manning the secondary and reached down to install the guy they imposed as defensive consultant in the off season.

Sunday was embarrassing defensively, but they can't go back to Desai now, because it would require the front office to show humility and admit they screwed the pooch, by handing the reins to a guy who has no idea how to call a defense without Bill Bellichick to talk him through it.  Dropping 35 year old Brandon Graham in to coverage?  What sort of horse's ass defensive play calling is that? That alone should've given Howie thoughts of pulling the plug, the players should be laughing him out of the film room.

I said it at the time and I will say it again, the front office wanted a scapegoat for their poor offseason moves and the fact that they got smashed in three consecutive games and against 3 top five DVOA offenses. The easiest one to shift blame was to desai. Add on easy schedule coming up with backup Qb lock with seattle, giants, cards and giants. Patricia could make the defense look much better against those 4 teams and it would’ve made it look smart to oust desai and the blame to be completely shifted on him for their defense being as bad as it was after the bye week. Unfortunately Patricia sucks and it didn’t really do anything. So it backfired.

I would’ve made the move after the season and went out and got a veteran Dc like they did with Schwartz. But I do know at least one thing with Desai was in the second half of games he usually made decent adjustments and they didn’t look totally inept. Even against Dallas and Buffalo (only game in that stretch where the defense got worse in the second half was niners). So in my mind at least I had some hope that those 3 games that he just got obliterated by better offenses that maybe just maybe he would’ve learned something and been able to apply it to the next time they ran into those teams (i didn’t think they had a chance against the niners regardless of who was gonna be DC. Their lack of linebackers makes that a complete mismatch). I already knew Matt Patricia sucked and they were going to suck with him anyways. Besides when belichick was basically the mastermind behind the defense, he’s coached poor defenses that got worse over time not better. 

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Assuming Howie and Lurie force Nick to make changes, I'd like to see somewhat of a radical departure in scheme on both sides. 

Offensive coordinator -- I'm sure I'll be killed for this, but I'd see if Kellen Moore comes available. His offenses in Dallas were top notch, and there are similarities between Jalen and Dak. I'd pass on Bienemy -- haven't seen much away from Andy. Another very young name would be Tee Martin, QB coach of the Ravens. I can't see Reich taking the job either. 

Defensive coordinator -- Jesse Minter is top of the list. If Eberflus is fired in Chcago, maybe he makes some sense. 

Reports are that Eberflus is coming back for another season with Chicago.  Minter will be cool but if he does well with us, he will be off for a HC job somewhere.  I would prefer a well respected DC who might have failed at being a HC job somewhere else in the past and would not be soughted after as HC who can stay with the team for many years ala JJ.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

It's a very interesting argument -- at what point is a position devalued so greatly around the league that it becomes a good value investment? Maybe we are there with off ball LBs at this point. I don't think we are there with RBs, as the value above replacement isn't great and is mainly dependent on line play. But look at someone like TJ Edwards -- real value for the money he is being paid. 

Howie needs to pivot and seek the value.

Clearly it matters, Browns and Chiefs got some really good backers too.  Eagles are a bottom 5 defense with all that talent up front.  Modern offenses are putting a lot of pressure on the 2nd level including the fact that half the Qb's in the NFl can run now.

Just now, manz2821 said:

Reports are that Eberflus is coming back for another season with Chicago.  Minter will be cool but if he does well with us, he will be off for a HC job somewhere.  I would prefer a well respected DC who might have failed at being a HC job somewhere else in the past and would not be soughted after as HC who can stay with the team for many years ala JJ.

Yeah, but who is that guy that is coming in here? Saleh isn't getting fired. Brandon Staley sucks. Ron Rivera is washed up. Bowles is about to make the playoffs.

If we lose Minter after a couple years, so be it. But OCs are more likely to jump ship than DCs.

13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Weren't they 29th when he took over? They need a new one without question but it's hard to switch things drastically in the middle of the year.

They faced a backup in lock, giants and cardinals. And yet cardinals were bottom 3 in dvoa offense and still got smashed. At least desai’s last 3 games where he got smashed were against 3 top 5 dvoa offenses when he faced them. That’s not an endorsement for desai. It’s the fact this BS belief that Patricia could just make them slightly better and it would be enough. Patricia ruined the lions defense over his 3 years as HC. And only time he’s been successful so when belichick held his hand as patriots Dc. This is like the mcdaniels was really only great when Brady carried his ass. Patricia or desai, they were never going to be good enough to stop and beat a niners offense. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yeah, but who is that guy that is coming in here? Saleh isn't getting fired. Brandon Staley sucks. Ron Rivera is washed up. Bowles is about to make the playoffs.

If we lose Minter after a couple years, so be it. But OCs are more likely to jump ship than DCs.

Staley sucked as a HC, but he did have success as a DC.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Yeah, but who is that guy that is coming in here? Saleh isn't getting fired. Brandon Staley sucks. Ron Rivera is washed up. Bowles is about to make the playoffs.

If we lose Minter after a couple years, so be it. But OCs are more likely to jump ship than DCs.

If Macdonald gets a HC Job, Harbaugh will slide in Minter as the next DC and would think he takes the Ravens job over us unfortunately. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They faced a backup in lock, giants and cardinals. And yet cardinals were bottom 3 in dvoa offense and still got smashed. At least desai’s last 3 games where he got smashed were against 3 top 5 dvoa offenses when he faced them. That’s not an endorsement for desai. It’s the fact this BS belief that Patricia could just make them slightly better and it would be enough. Patricia ruined the lions defense over his 3 years as HC. And only time he’s been successful so when belichick held his hand as patriots Dc. This is like the mcdaniels was really only great when Brady carried his ass. 

I'm surprised anybody here still think that Bill Bellichick could get results from this bunch.  The back 7 is awful, simple as that, the Slay injury was last straw.

7 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Clearly it matters, Browns and Chiefs got some really good backers too.  Eagles are a bottom 5 defense with all that talent up front.  Modern offenses are putting a lot of pressure on the 2nd level including the fact that half the Qb's in the NFl can run now.

Yeah... can't simply ignore the middle of the field. Really never could.

Just now, dawkins4prez said:

I'm surprised anybody here still think that Bill Bellichick could get results from this bunch.  The back 7 is awful, simple as that, the Slay injury was last straw.

Definitely shows that without Slay this defense would have really been getting torched all year.