19 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Fields will be looking for an extension this year. I wouldn't want to commit big money to him. I'd trade him for a 1st or 2nd, and get Caleb Williams cost controlled. 

That’s what I would do. I’ve seen enough of Justin Fields to know against better defenses he can’t do it. They played Cleveland and the only reason that game was closed was because the Bears defense forced three turnovers and had a pick 6. The two lions games, he blew one by not being able to just be competent with a lead after the bears defense forced 3 Goff turnovers. And the win against the lions he played ok but really the bears defense again forced 3 turnovers on Goff and gave the bears short fields on their scoring drives in the second half to pull away. Had to go 29 and 48 yards for scores.

The reason why he’s looked good the last two weeks because he face the Cardinals and the Falcons who basically have given up.

if I were the Bears, I would 100% trade him at his high which is right now. He should have a good game against the packers. Packers let the panthers look competent. I think he’s going to go somewhere else and he’s going to struggle like he did against Minnesota, earlier in the year and against the Browns when he faces good defenses. cash in on him instead of having to pay him. And then also get your future franchise quarterback, and have enough capital to actually build the roster around him.

have a feeling the bears are gonna stick with fields. They better hope fields in year 4 hits cause if maye or Williams do and fields is what he’s has been they are going to look even more idiotic as a franchise. 

I saw the Inquirer call out AJ Brown and insinuate he's a bad teammate for being publicly displeased by the Eagles' coaching. At some point, if the player is so objectively right about something, it's BS to expect him to fall in line just because. Sirianni's "we have to stick together" comment after that BS game was arguably his biggest red flag as a coach here.

24 minutes ago, judunno said:

Yeah... can't simply ignore the middle of the field. Really never could.

Well to be fair to the defence how many plays are called from the offence in the middle of the field. The D does not see that in practice. Lol

35 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Some of these posters want us to be the Raiders and Panthers hiring new coaches all the time.

I don't think they should fire Sirianni.  This is the first sign of trouble and you just want to blow everything up so quickly?  Give him a chance to correct things.  It's not going to happen overnight.

If the team is still playing like this next year then by all means he can be replaced.

I just don't like giving up on a coach so quickly especially with the success he's had.

It's not like he's had 3 straight 6-11 seasons.

 It’s about what fans believe what Lurie will do, wasn’t Kotite’s collapse his first season as owner?  Not comparing Nick to Kotite but Lurie won’t forget that disaster, plus only 3 teams since 1960 started 10-1, and lost 4 of 5, Eagles, 2020 Steelers, 1986 Jets, of course Kotite was their OC.   
 Also does Kelce retiring play a roll in Lurie’s decision, with Cox and Graham possibly leaving as well, that will leave a big hole leadership wise.  None of it matters if they beat the Giants and win a wild card game, but if they lose the next two games, Lurie would have a tough decision to make.   

57 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Sure you could do that.  

 

Or you can do what the eagles do and throw a few of these guys in the middle of the field

13 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

Well to be fair to the defence how many plays are called from the offence in the middle of the field. The D does not see that in practice. Lol

Indeed but they have scout teams for that.

Still cant believe how horrible the Defense is. Historically bad. Maybe the worst defense this team has ever fielded. 

And yes still cant believe we wont commit to a dominant run game, when thats how we are built,  and why we wont pass over the middle with guys like Brown Jones, Goedert etc? 

Gannon/Cards showed Siri and crew exactly how you control the clock and time of possesion with a run forst mentaility. Dont worry though, it wont change,  because what ever it is that keeps us from running the ball, it has to come from the Front Office. Too many coaches have been hired- and they all refuse to run the damn ball even when the situation calls for it! That has to be a front office philosphy in coach hiring. 

Just like - not drafting LB's -------

 

This mess ultimately rests on the FO. 

49 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Some of these posters want us to be the Raiders and Panthers hiring new coaches all the time.

I don't think they should fire Sirianni.  This is the first sign of trouble and you just want to blow everything up so quickly?  Give him a chance to correct things.  It's not going to happen overnight.

If the team is still playing like this next year then by all means he can be replaced.

I just don't like giving up on a coach so quickly especially with the success he's had.

It's not like he's had 3 straight 6-11 seasons.

So quickly? This team is a dysfunctional mess 11 months removed from playing in a SB. If you're Howie/Lurie you gotta ask yourself if you need to see a bottom out season in order to make a change.

I don't expect Sirianni to be as defiant as Doug at the end, so he'll almost definitely be back. But it's still a question.

While I don't think Nick will be fired, if we get embarrassed in the WC round...

7 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

So quickly? This team is a dysfunctional mess 11 months removed from playing in a SB. If you're Howie/Lurie you gotta ask yourself if you need to see a bottom out season in order to make a change.

I don't expect Sirianni to be as defiant as Doug at the end, so he'll almost definitely be back. But it's still a question.

I tend to think he’s going to be back. I’m sure they’ll be discussions about whether or not he should. But I think in the end he’s going to. I think they’re gonna make him get a more veteran offensive coordinator to work with him. I think they’re gonna force some sort of defensive coordinator on him. Like Jim Schwarz with pederson. Frankly, they hired Schwartz before pederson so that they had that in place.

I think his job is going to be on the line in 2024. And frankly, I think the Eagles are going to regress more in 2024 sirianni or new coach. You’re gonna wind up losing some guys. Graham and kelc. Those two I think are gone. So that’s a leadership void. Plus when they get to that wildcard playoff game, there’s a chance that 21 of the 22 starters that began the year I will be playing that game. The only one that could be completely ruled out is Nakobe Dean. So you’re not gonna have the injury luck for a third consecutive year. Eagles have been fortunate it’s been minor stuff and guys could come back at some point. Eventually i think that type of luck runs out. On top of that I don’t think they can fix all the problems they have and they are going to run into this off-season.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

While I don't think Nick will be fired, if we get embarrassed in the WC round...

Nick Year 1: Get embarrassed by Tampa in the WC round

Nicks final year: Get embarrassed by Tampa in the WC round

 

My OCD would appreciate the symmetry.  

 

Thanks Booger.

10 minutes ago, paco said:

Nick Year 1: Get embarrassed by Tampa in the WC round

Nicks final year: Get embarrassed by Tampa in the WC round

 

My OCD would appreciate the symmetry.  

Also got symmetry if the saints wind up winning that division

2017 eagles Super Bowl 

2018 lose to the saints in the playoffs 

16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

While I don't think Nick will be fired, if we get embarrassed in the WC round...

If they do, I actually think he will now. If they lose to the Giants they would have lost 6 of 7 games then. If not, even 5 of 7 is still really bad. Especially for a team that was 10-1. The players seem tired, bored, not trusting the guy. Two really hot coaching candidates are available. I bet Lurie pulls the trigger at that point.

One thing that might move Lurie and/or Howie to pull the trigger is wanting to take advantage of the talent that's on offense while they're still under contract. It's been so long since we've had this kind of talent

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If they do, I actually think he will now. If they lose to the Giants they would have lost 6 of 7 games then. If not, even 5 of 7 is still really bad. Especially for a team that was 10-1. The players seem tired, bored, not trusting the guy. Two really hot coaching candidates are available. I bet Lurie pulls the trigger at that point.

Who are those two hot coaching candidates?

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

One thing that might move Lurie and/or Howie to pull the trigger is wanting to take advantage of the talent that's on offense while they're still under contract. It's been so long since we've had this kind of talent

Yep.  Exactly.  They’re not going to let (essentially) a pro-bowl roster on offense go to waste trying to "fix this or that”.  Pretty sure they would rather see what happens with an entirely new coaching staff first.   Just a guess.

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

Who are those two hot coaching candidates?

Harbaugh and Ben Johnson

For anyone who cares about my self-reflective rambling...

I only miss games due to understandably extenuating circumstances.  I don't shut them off or "boycott" when they are bad.  I had season tickets for about 10 years...boo'd once in 10 years of home games.  I don't think it's generally appropriate to boo.  I'm nit-picky and negative on a message board with you guys, but it is just my nature and my job to obsess over deviations from perfection.  

So I'm going to label myself as a decent fan.  BUT...I am a very binary fan.  I'll talk personnel on here for hours on end, watch the games, and be a fan even if they are 0-17.  But I can't have my heart and emotions in a game...or a season...if I do not feel that they are either realistic SB competitors or on the exciting upslope of a new generation of great Eagles football.  It's an emotional circuit that I just lack.  Other people can enjoy a competitive game or season even if they fall short of my two aforementioned criteria.  But I just can't.  I watch, I analyze, I hope for better.  But it's dull, emotionless, and I ultimately don't care.  To be fair, there are only 3-5 teams in the NFL that are realistic SB contenders and 3-5 that are on that exciting upslope.  So yea, I'd be "out" on 20+ teams every year.  But that's how I'm wired and it's also where I'm at with this Eagles team.

 

53 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 It’s about what fans believe what Lurie will do, wasn’t Kotite’s collapse his first season as owner?  Not comparing Nick to Kotite but Lurie won’t forget that disaster, plus only 3 teams since 1960 started 10-1, and lost 4 of 5, Eagles, 2020 Steelers, 1986 Jets, of course Kotite was their OC.   
 Also does Kelce retiring play a roll in Lurie’s decision, with Cox and Graham possibly leaving as well, that will leave a big hole leadership wise.  None of it matters if they beat the Giants and win a wild card game, but if they lose the next two games, Lurie would have a tough decision to make.   

Lurie screwed DickV for Ray. What a screw up that was.

As for those that think getting to the Super Bowl last season was enough to keep certain coaches, etc. - that’s just not how it works.  If you have (arguably) the most talent in the history of this franchise (as a group) on offense and a very solid defensive line on defense - and your expectations are (the very least) making it to the Super Bowl with a solid chance of winning it - but your team collapses during the home stretch of the season, (losing 4 out of 5) mostly to inferior talent - no one is safe.  
 

At this point anything less than a Super Bowl appearance is considered a failure.  A first round exit from the playoffs would be considered catastrophic.

 

So yes, more than likely, heads will be rolling this offseason . 

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

One thing that might move Lurie and/or Howie to pull the trigger is wanting to take advantage of the talent that's on offense while they're still under contract. It's been so long since we've had this kind of talent

Either that, or they go all in for 2024 as their and Sirianni's last chance. New OC and new DC. Howie decides to spend on D in FA. Brian Burns and Patrick Queen are brought in. He makes a trade or 2 and the defense looks completely different. 

3 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Those are some happy thoughts about a team that has done little this season to deserve them.  They were 10-1 and could have wrapped up a number 1 seed which is the best way to get to the Super Bowl.  I think the simplest answer is the most likely.  They are not well prepared.  They are simple because it has worked but they do things like run all go as if they're a 12 year old playing Madden.  I mean:

https://twiiter.com/TheHonestNFL/status/1741969174069494263?s=200

 

Oh, no doubt that you could be right. It could just be "why is there not the necessary new stuff with the players that are there but just not playing".   It could be that.  We'll see what happens but it does make sense to me that they would add the fresh newness for the playoffs.  And get it started with the Giants.    We are seeing bits and pieces of innovation. Gainwell had a completion.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Harbaugh and Ben Johnson

Good chance harbaugh goes to the chargers where he likely can have more personnel control then he would here and has herbert. He won’t get that type of control here. Add on possibly same on NE and Washington where he’d likely have more control and could use their picks to get the Qb he wants and not hamstrung by a Fo run by howie and a good Qb bit on a massive deal going forward. Same for Johnson but less so on personnel but he might want to handpick his own quarterback on a rookie contract rather than jumping into an organization where he’s has a good quarterback, but on a big time contract, which kind of hampers you going forward.

this theory that the Eagles would just automatically get Jim Harbaugh, or Ben Johnson is a theory. You might not get either of them. That realm also exists. 

Lurie is going to meet with some/all of the players to read locker room.

But you know who might be most important in all of this?  Jeff Stoutland.

He has survived 3 regimes, so there is almost certainly a direct line of communication and trust between him and Howie/Lurie.  He has seen these coaches fly high and crash and burn.  He's worked with the veteran OC's that took them to the top and seen how things have (or have not) changed with the young green guys.  

He should have a VERY interesting perspective on how good or bad this coaching staff is.