Did they have a full practice today, or just a walkthough? Curious to see if they changed anything up there.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If Carter said something about the Eagles..... that's a leak. 

From a guy not yet in the organization.  A college kid.

The suggestion here is that inside the Eagles organization there is a staffer who has been there for decades across different coaches and regimes who has inside knowledge of the locker room, meeting room, coaches meetings, the feelings of players and staff who secretly leaks insider information to the media. And Lurie and Howie - who are also accused of having too much control, hiring puppet coaches and being so tight lipped that nothing they plan to do ever gets known - have this guy on staff and aren't doing anything about it?  

You're reducing the argument down to a college kid before the draft indicated which team likes him and that's supposed to make all the rest of that insane conspiracy theory true.  

 

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Did they have a full practice today, or just a walkthough? Curious to see if they changed anything up there.

From what I read it was a walkthrough.

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

Actually, that isn't true about Hurts, he's become an excellent pocket passer, and is among the leaders in completeiy contested passes, his actual completion exceeds his expected completion rate by a sizable margin. The problem is the personnel and scheming, they simply don't scheme receivers open, don't make RBs a major part of the passing game, and lack a competent receiving TE2 or WR3 and WR4. So where Purdy's numbers are inflated by Shanahan and YAC, Hurts is a "victim of circumstances."

Problem with the pass rush is partially the back seven, partially overuse,  they're finally playing Ojomo but Cox, Sweat and Reddick have been run into the ground.

Hurt’s might have ‘good numbers’ from the pocket, but he has no clue what a pocket is given he likes to leave it just about every play when it’s clean.  Hurts has been a huge problem this year.  This

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

From a guy not yet in the organization.  A college kid.

The suggestion here is that inside the Eagles organization there is a staffer who has been there for decades across different coaches and regimes who has inside knowledge of the locker room, meeting room, coaches meetings, the feelings of players and staff who secretly leaks insider information to the media.  You're reducing the argument down to a college kid before the draft indicated which team likes him and that's supposed to make all the rest of that insane conspiracy theory true.  

 

So you think literally nothing leaks out at all to reporters? 

Wentz story? All made up. Josina Anderson/Alshon Jefferey story? All made up. Howie/Chip Kelly reports? All made up. DGunn reporting Brandon Graham tore his achilles minutes after he's carted to the locker room? Lucky guess. 

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I think you missed my point. There is no leak.  There is no legitimate person leaking info. The reporters make this BS up.  Every time when they are losing a few games.  Every time.

You don't hear these leaks from mystery man on staff with all the inside info about:  draft picks, free agent targets, scheme, injury reports, play designs, strategy, etc.

It's BS and made up, and always after a string of losses when the fanbase is frothing at the mouth calling for everyone to be fired and cut.  They know their audience.

I don’t believe for a second that reporters are making everything up. I think eagle fans want to believe that because they want to think that organization would do something like that. 

if you’re going to sit there and tell me every single time something comes up that you don’t like or Eagles fans don’t wanna believe it’s just made up i call BS.

Literally every time there’s a story Eagles fans disagree with or not like  it’s the reporter doesn’t know what he’s talking about it’s BS.

Let’s just point out McManus, mclane and Les brown for months (frankly 2019 season through 2020) reported on  the whole Carson wentz and Doug Pederson and howie/lurie/pederson dynamic. Everybody on this blog and Twitter didn’t believe it. said it was Bs and created drama by the media. And then it turned out most of it was accurate as Adam schefter and Jay glazer reported similar things later on. said the same thing.

you can believe whatever the F you want to believe. if you wanna believe nobody in the organization is talking to reporters when things aren’t going well, and the reporters are just all making it up. This isn’t just Jeff mclane he’s not the only one that reported this in the past. Tim McManus, mclane, Kapadia, Berman, wulf, Les Bowen and even rich hofman has. 

 

 

5 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Oh FFS, I want people to play and even I don't think Slay or Smith should play on that turf.

Exactly... that stadium body count is crazy

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t believe for a second that reporters are making everything up. I think eagle fans want to believe that because they want to think that organization would do something like that. 

if you’re going to sit there and tell me every single time something comes up that you don’t like or Eagles fans don’t wanna believe it’s just made up i call BS.

Literally every time there’s a story Eagles fans disagree with or not like  it’s the reporter doesn’t know what he’s talking about it’s BS.

Let’s just point out McManus, mclane and Les brown for months (frankly 2019 season through 2020) reported on  the whole Carson wentz and Doug Pederson and howie/lurie/pederson dynamic. Everybody on this blog and Twitter didn’t believe it. said it was Bs and created drama by the media. And then it turned out most of it was accurate as Adam schefter and Jay glazer reported similar things later on. said the same thing.

you can believe whatever the F you want to believe. if you wanna believe nobody in the organization is talking to reporters when things aren’t going well, and the reporters are just all making it up. This isn’t just Jeff mclane he’s not the only one that reported this in the past. Tim McManus, mclane, Kapadia, Berman, wulf, Les Bowen and even rich hofman has. 

 

 

TLDR Summary: 

Fake news

On AJ Brown, it's another example of the pessimism and running with narratives.  So a player doesn't feel like talking to the media because he's frustrated, becomes way bigger than it needs to be. One of the things he explained is he already saw earlier in the year how the media ran with narratives when he was "arguing" with Hurts on the sideline.  Even though they said they weren't arguing.  He said the media will say what they want whether he speaks or not.

He could have handled it better.  He could have just gave pat answers.  He could have not posted on Twitter.  But I understand the frustration of players that have a job to do, and are required to speak to media who ask questions that are dumb, antagonistic.

Each of us in our jobs have faced frustrating situations, times we were put on the spot and had to answer for something. We've all made mistakes and if we could, we'd probably go back and handle things differently.  When it comes to athletes, fans put them to such higher expectations.  They're getting paid to perform on the football field.  They're human beings with emotions.  Then it gets put under a microscope.

AJ Brown appears to be a great teammate and has said the right things in ever interview I've seen of him throughout the season.  He's not some locker room cancer or disgruntled player.  We finally have a star top WR in the NFL and fans want to nitpick how he handles the media, call him having "hissy fits" and all that.  No one accuses Kelce of hissy fits or causing problems when he gets way more emotional and stomps and shouts.  But a WR shakes his head slightly and it's a huge problem.  

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So you think literally nothing leaks out at all to reporters? 

Wentz story? All made up. Josina Anderson/Alshon Jefferey story? All made up. Howie/Chip Kelly reports? All made up. DGunn reporting Brandon Graham tore his ACL minutes after he's carted to the locker room? Lucky guess. 

If I was an employee in the Eagles organization and I had an ax to grind or something was bothering me within the organization, I would 100% go to Jeff McLane and just aired out. Because you know what’s gonna happen? The fans are gonna be more upset at reporter for reporting it and call it BS then they’re gonna be mad that I aired something out that should’ve been kept in house.

This doesn’t include Marcus hayes. He’s not a daily beat reporter with good connections. He just spouts off opinion pieces with things he believes and lacks sources.

I’m talking about wulf, Berman, mclane, Ej smith, Bowen (when he covered them), sheil (when he covered them daily) and whoever is there daily. They have sources and most of the time when crap hits the fan they all usually have similar type stories and sources telling them similar things. The doug friction with wentz that no one wanted to believe during the 2019 season or the story he didn’t care if he got fired and then the behind the scenes struggle. Meanwhile local reporters like Bowen, McManus and mclane reported on it. Fan base went off on them. Adam schefter later confirmed it. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So you think literally nothing leaks out at all to reporters? 

Wentz story? All made up. Josina Anderson/Alshon Jefferey story? All made up. Howie/Chip Kelly reports? All made up. DGunn reporting Brandon Graham tore his ACL minutes after he's carted to the locker room? Lucky guess. 

People finding things out at the stadium where there's a lot of access - being close enough to the sideline to hear the status of an injury for example - isn't the same as a mystery mole who leaks info and the front office does nothing about it for decades.

Sure, reporters find out bits and pieces of things.  They could get info from agents trying to leverage things for their client, other team's front office.  The annual meetings the reporters are always talking about the "buzz" and things they hear.  Rich Eisen last year said it's a busy time of people purposely putting out false info or throwing out rumors and the reporters sift through what might be true and not.

I don't buy for one second that the Eagles front office led by Lurie and Roseman allows some secret staffer mole to leak things and they wouldn't take action to stop it.  Reporters are going to find things out here and there, but I don't buy some major leak and an organization wide cancer of leaking info.  

4 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

He doesn't seem like he's lying at all. I like him, the media wants him to be a TO but he's not. He's an alpha high level athlete that wants to win so maybe he comes across brash at times or misunderstood. Is he perfect? No, and maybe or probably should have handled things differently recently but he apologized to his teammates, addressed what's been up and I respect him even more now. I'm on this guys side. 

He's no where near Steve Smith Sr like and he used to literally beat the crap out of his teammates 🤣

Everyone loves that guy

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

On AJ Brown, it's another example of the pessimism and running with narratives.  So a player doesn't feel like talking to the media because he's frustrated, becomes way bigger than it needs to be. One of the things he explained is he already saw earlier in the year how the media ran with narratives when he was "arguing" with Hurts on the sideline.  Even though they said they weren't arguing.  He said the media will say what they want whether he speaks or not.

He could have handled it better.  He could have just gave pat answers.  He could have not posted on Twitter.  But I understand the frustration of players that have a job to do, and are required to speak to media who ask questions that are dumb, antagonistic.

Each of us in our jobs have faced frustrating situations, times we were put on the spot and had to answer for something. We've all made mistakes and if we could, we'd probably go back and handle things differently.  When it comes to athletes, fans put them to such higher expectations.  They're getting paid to perform on the football field.  They're human beings with emotions.  Then it gets put under a microscope.

AJ Brown appears to be a great teammate and has said the right things in ever interview I've seen of him throughout the season.  He's not some locker room cancer or disgruntled player.  We finally have a star top WR in the NFL and fans want to nitpick how he handles the media, call him having "hissy fits" and all that.  No one accuses Kelce of hissy fits or causing problems when he gets way more emotional and stomps and shouts.  But a WR shakes his head slightly and it's a huge problem.  

Marcus hayes is not a beat reporter. He gives opinion pieces and tries to think he actually has contacts. So if you wanna tell me things that hayes has put out there is BS then yes I would agree with you.

However, if you’re gonna tell me guys that cover the team, routinely around the team and show up to every press conference, in locker room to do interviews every week are making things up then I called BS. Because if that was the case, the credentials would easily be taking away and the eagles wouldn’t allow them access with just cause to do so. 

12 minutes ago, judunno said:

TLDR Summary: 

Fake news

Yes everything is fake news. Like the time Les Bowen (other reporters put it out too) and mclane nailed the wentz/doug tension in 2019 and howie/doug story back in the 2020 offseason and then schefter later basically confirmed it after the 2020 season  

i got it, it’s always fake news with eagles fans when it’s something they don’t like or agree with. 

4 hours ago, Swoop said:

Totally out of left field, but every GD time I see your avatar I picture whatever you wrote is him speaking it.

Oh that's not really him? ha 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t believe for a second that reporters are making everything up. I think eagle fans want to believe that because they want to think that organization would do something like that. 

if you’re going to sit there and tell me every single time something comes up that you don’t like or Eagles fans don’t wanna believe it’s just made up i call BS.

Literally every time there’s a story Eagles fans disagree with or not like  it’s the reporter doesn’t know what he’s talking about it’s BS.

Let’s just point out McManus, mclane and Les brown for months (frankly 2019 season through 2020) reported on  the whole Carson wentz and Doug Pederson and howie/lurie/pederson dynamic. Everybody on this blog and Twitter didn’t believe it. said it was Bs and created drama by the media. And then it turned out most of it was accurate as Adam schefter and Jay glazer reported similar things later on. said the same thing.

you can believe whatever the F you want to believe. if you wanna believe nobody in the organization is talking to reporters when things aren’t going well, and the reporters are just all making it up. This isn’t just Jeff mclane he’s not the only one that reported this in the past. Tim McManus, mclane, Kapadia, Berman, wulf, Les Bowen and even rich hofman has. 

 

 

It's interesting you say a story fans disagree or don't like because the opposite can be said: the negative and pessimistic fans who want to believe every negative story eat it up and don't question it at all, they immediately start spreading and running with narratives.

There have always been these mysterious reports:  Lurie hand picks draft picks, Howie is in the meetings with the defensive coaches and dictating what the DC does, every head coach is always a puppet of Howie and Lurie, a player shakes his head in frustration and it automatically means the coach has lost the locker room or he's a disgruntled player who will demand a trade.  It's media sensation.  With Doug and Wentz/Hurts you actually hear 2 completely different narratives in the media that season.  Some reported that Doug wanted to play Hurts but Howie was making him play Wentz because he paid the big contract to him, then others reported the opposite that Howie wanted him to play Hurts but Doug wanted to be loyal to Wentz.  

Reports dig and probe, that's their job.  They will read between the lines, put pieces together and form a story.  It doesn't mean there's a huge organizational culture of leaking info for decades.  There's no way Howie and Lurie would not work to investigate that kind of thing and fire the person.  

13 minutes ago, NOTW said:

On AJ Brown, it's another example of the pessimism and running with narratives.  So a player doesn't feel like talking to the media because he's frustrated, becomes way bigger than it needs to be. One of the things he explained is he already saw earlier in the year how the media ran with narratives when he was "arguing" with Hurts on the sideline.  Even though they said they weren't arguing.  He said the media will say what they want whether he speaks or not.

He could have handled it better.  He could have just gave pat answers.  He could have not posted on Twitter.  But I understand the frustration of players that have a job to do, and are required to speak to media who ask questions that are dumb, antagonistic.

Each of us in our jobs have faced frustrating situations, times we were put on the spot and had to answer for something. We've all made mistakes and if we could, we'd probably go back and handle things differently.  When it comes to athletes, fans put them to such higher expectations.  They're getting paid to perform on the football field.  They're human beings with emotions.  Then it gets put under a microscope.

AJ Brown appears to be a great teammate and has said the right things in ever interview I've seen of him throughout the season.  He's not some locker room cancer or disgruntled player.  We finally have a star top WR in the NFL and fans want to nitpick how he handles the media, call him having "hissy fits" and all that.  No one accuses Kelce of hissy fits or causing problems when he gets way more emotional and stomps and shouts.  But a WR shakes his head slightly and it's a huge problem.  

I know why no one says anything about Kelce. It's because he looks so jolly teddy bearish when he does it.

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

It's interesting you say a story fans disagree or don't like because the opposite can be said: the negative and pessimistic fans who want to believe every negative story eat it up and don't question it at all, they immediately start spreading and running with narratives.

There have always been these mysterious reports:  Lurie hand picks draft picks, Howie is in the meetings with the defensive coaches and dictating what the DC does, every head coach is always a puppet of Howie and Lurie, a player shakes his head in frustration and it automatically means the coach has lost the locker room or he's a disgruntled player who will demand a trade.  It's media sensation.  With Doug and Wentz/Hurts you actually hear 2 completely different narratives in the media that season.  Some reported that Doug wanted to play Hurts but Howie was making him play Wentz because he paid the big contract to him, then others reported the opposite that Howie wanted him to play Hurts but Doug wanted to be loyal to Wentz.  

Reports dig and probe, that's their job.  They will read between the lines, put pieces together and form a story.  It doesn't mean there's a huge organizational culture of leaking info for decades.  There's no way Howie and Lurie would not work to investigate that kind of thing and fire the person.  

Again, you seem to think these reporters are always making crap up. If they were making crap up, and the Eagles believe they were 100% making crap up they wouldn’t have credentials to do what they do. they would lose those credentials. 

as somebody who worked as a sports journalist for four years after I got out of college. If you start making up stories and somebody within the organization has a strong suspicion of it then you are going to be barred and lose that ability. they aren’t allowing you to just freely walk back into that facility and continuously do it.

The eagles have the ability to say to the inquirer we don’t want Jeff McLane in that locker room. We don’t think he’s accurately reporting, and he’s making up stories. They have that ability. They can take away his credentials. You seem to think the Eagles are fine with him making up stories and then just allowing him to walk back in there to continue to do it. 

 

8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

People finding things out at the stadium where there's a lot of access - being close enough to the sideline to hear the status of an injury for example - isn't the same as a mystery mole who leaks info and the front office does nothing about it for decades.

Sure, reporters find out bits and pieces of things.  They could get info from agents trying to leverage things for their client, other team's front office.  The annual meetings the reporters are always talking about the "buzz" and things they hear.  Rich Eisen last year said it's a busy time of people purposely putting out false info or throwing out rumors and the reporters sift through what might be true and not.

I don't buy for one second that the Eagles front office led by Lurie and Roseman allows some secret staffer mole to leak things and they wouldn't take action to stop it.  Reporters are going to find things out here and there, but I don't buy some major leak and an organization wide cancer of leaking info.  

I mean, I guess I'll buy there isn't some super top secret mole leaking things to purposely damage the organization but it's pretty naïve to think the reporters don't have team sources or relationships in the building that tell them things time to time, even when negative.

The Gunn report he was sitting at home, because he was fired from NBC and didn't have a job, but still had sources in the stadium to relay to him at home to report the Graham injury before anyone else IN the stadium could. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again, you seem to think these reporters are making crap up. If they were making crap up, and the Eagles believe they were 100% making crap up they wouldn’t have credentials to do what they do. they would lose those credentials. 

as somebody who worked as a sports journalist for four years after I got out of college. If you start making up stories and somebody within the organization has a strong suspicion of it then you are going to be barred and lose that ability  they aren’t allowing you to just freely walk back into that facility and continuously do it  

 

There's a difference between reporters writing speculation, filling in the gaps of what they see on the field or hear in interviews and a mole leaking secret info for decades.  When the game broadcast shows players arguing, or a player says something in an interview that can be spun a certain way then they can write about it, show quotes out of context (which happens a lot) and things to build a story or narrative, or ask questions but not make definitive statements.  The AJ Brown thing is a perfect example. Players in the heat of the moment are seen getting animated and the narrative is instantly that AJ Brown and Hurts relationship is now rocky, and AJ Brown complained he wants more targets.  No one knows what they actually said.  Hurts always looks stoic on the sidelines and in interviews even after a win.  When they were winning, the narrative was he's a leader who is focused and all business.  Once they started losing, the narrative became he's too serious and has too high a standard, he needs to be more vocal and have "fun" and hype the guys up, that's the problem.

Those aren't leaks from a mole, those are taking what you're seeing and hearing and creating stories or opinion pieces.

The Doug thing when he said he wasn't making changes to coaches then a couple days later they fired the coaches, that's public info.  You can write stories on that and make speculation about what's happening and question what is going on with the leadership...that wasn't based on a leak from a secret mole, that was what the organization shows publicly.

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I mean, I guess I'll buy there isn't some super top secret mole leaking things to purposely damage the organization but it's pretty naïve to think the reporters don't have team sources or relationships in the building that tell them things time to time, even when negative.

The Gunn report he was sitting at home, because he was fired from NBC and didn't have a job, but still had sources in the stadium to relay to him at home to report the Graham injury before anyone else IN the stadium could. 

I don’t think it’s a top-secret mold doing it. I think there’s multiple people in that organization that like to talk and say things they probably shouldn’t say on the record. Heck didinger back in 2020 had some inklings from things he heard. Didinger isnt the person that gives a flying F less about clicks or views.

If i remember correctly i believe it was mclane as one of the first people who reported on the chip and howie feud comign to a head before the end of the 2014 season. And people wrote it off as drama and then it was more and more accurate. 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I mean, I guess I'll buy there isn't some super top secret mole leaking things to purposely damage the organization but it's pretty naïve to think the reporters don't have team sources or relationships in the building that tell them things time to time, even when negative.

The Gunn report he was sitting at home, because he was fired from NBC and didn't have a job, but still had sources in the stadium to relay to him at home to report the Graham injury before anyone else IN the stadium could. 

Those things naturally happen.  There are too many people in an organization.  People hear stuff as the staff is carting a player off to the locker room from an injury.  Reporters watch the sidelines closely while the broadcast is on the game, to see who is doing what, is the player in the blue tent?  Are they taking him to the locker room?  Do they hear anyone shouting instructions?  Do they hear players nearby talking about it and speculating? 

I just don't buy that there is a organization wide cancerous culture of a mole or people leaking information, that is a giant conspiracy theory.  There's no way if that were happening Lurie and Howie wouldn't work to squash it. 

Everything ok now that Lowie gave Brown a few talking points on a note card and asked him to do an interview?

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think it’s a top-secret mold doing it. I think there’s multiple people in that organization that like to talk and say things they probably shouldn’t say on the record. Heck didinger back in 2020 had some inklings from things he heard. Didinger isnt the person that gives a flying F less about clicks or views.

If i remember correctly i believe it was mclane as one of the first people who reported on the chip and howie feud comign to a head before the end of the 2014 season. And people wrote it off as drama and then it was more and more accurate. 

If that's true, what do you think Lurie and Howie would do about that?  There will always be little things here and there but if it's this huge organizational wide problem, what do you think Lurie and Howie would do about it?  

13 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There's a difference between reporters writing speculation, filling in the gaps of what they see on the field or hear in interviews and a mole leaking secret info for decades.  When the game broadcast shows players arguing, or a player says something in an interview that can be spun a certain way then they can write about it, show quotes out of context (which happens a lot) and things to build a story or narrative, or ask questions but not make definitive statements.  The AJ Brown thing is a perfect example. Players in the heat of the moment are seen getting animated and the narrative is instantly that AJ Brown and Hurts relationship is now rocky, and AJ Brown complained he wants more targets.  No one knows what they actually said.  Hurts always looks stoic on the sidelines and in interviews even after a win.  When they were winning, the narrative was he's a leader who is focused and all business.  Once they started losing, the narrative became he's too serious and has too high a standard, he needs to be more vocal and have "fun" and hype the guys up, that's the problem.

Those aren't leaks from a mole, those are taking what you're seeing and hearing and creating stories or opinion pieces.

The Doug thing when he said he wasn't making changes to coaches then a couple days later they fired the coaches, that's public info.  You can write stories on that and make speculation about what's happening and question what is going on with the leadership...that wasn't based on a leak from a secret mole, that was what the organization shows publicly.

 

I’m not gonna keep going on this with you. You can believe whatever the F you want. I don’t give a flying F what you believe.

I worked as a journalist. I’m telling you right now journalist don’t get to speculation without having a source they trust and asking them multiple times before reporting it. That’s how it works. you don’t just run with things you are "hearing” unless you have a trusted source and most of the time collaborated by another source that has similar stuff 

And it doesn’t have to be one single mole over a decade. This could be multiple people in that organization that like to hear themselves talk and have an axe to grind with somebody. Usually people don’t rock the boat or have anything bad to say about someone else until things start going poorly or is over and then it starts leaking out