14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Surprised no Hurts.  Dickerson is going to be expensive with his new deal.  Surprised Blankenship didn't make it in when he was leading votes.  Shocked that Jalen Carter didn't make it.

 

 

 

As much as most of us support QB1, he has had a crappy year. As a point of objective evaluation, turnovers don't count in a positive way toward the Pro Bowl. You should consider that.

He had me listening and nodding along until the 2nd play when he compared a screen to Gainwell with AJ and DeVonta blocking to a play against the 49ers where the screen was thrown to DeVonta.

 

50 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

So how are we feeling about Tampa?

Great strip clubs

18 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

As much as most of us support QB1, he has had a crappy year. As a point of objective evaluation, turnovers don't count in a positive way toward the Pro Bowl. You should consider that.

 

He has 38 TDs on the year and had this team has the #1 seed pretty much all season until just recently.  He was the leading MVP odds on favorite until several weeks ago. Stafford does not deserve to be in over Hurts.  Stafford shouldn't even be in over Goff either. 

 

 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He has 38 TDs on the year and had this team has the #1 seed pretty much all season until just recently.  He was the leading MVP odds on favorite until several weeks ago.

he isnt even close to deserving.

If the Eagles turn it around and make a deep playoff push, this all could end up being another underdog/fairy tale season.   They were favored but lost 4 out of 5, nose dived and became underdogs throughout the playoffs…but somehow turned it around and started winning again.

 

Superbowlzzzz??  

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He has 38 TDs on the year and had this team has the #1 seed pretty much all season until just recently.  He was the leading MVP odds on favorite until several weeks ago. Stafford does not deserve to be in over Hurts.  Stafford shouldn't even be in over Goff either. 

Total TDs are a skewed stat IMO. How many of his TDs are from the goal line with the sneak?

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Total TDs are a skewed stat IMO. How many of his TDs are from the goal line with the sneak?

Why do people keep saying this? If it were so easy every QB would be doing it. He makes that play special with a 90%+ success rate.

I realize it’s natural to focus on the problem areas…ie the positions that suck…as the problems on this team.  But every problem area has been pre-designated as such due to the preferential utilization or resources elsewhere.

We have $250m in the QB position and a QB that isn’t a pro-bowler this year.  We have 3 first round picks and a 3rd round pick in the DT position and 0 DT pro bowlers…yet the DT we let walk last offseason is in the pro bowl.

Those positions may not be the biggest problems, but the investment there IS part of why other positions suck.  And if we aren’t even getting pro-bowl level play out of it…well, THAT is a problem.

8 hours ago, bpac55 said:

If you're the Bears, has Justin Fields changed your mind at all in the 2nd half of the season?

before, I would keep Fields,  after, I would keep Fields.   A day 3 backup similar to Fields?  Have Roschon Johnson start to throw passes?

29 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

As much as most of us support QB1, he has had a crappy year. As a point of objective evaluation, turnovers don't count in a positive way toward the Pro Bowl. You should consider that.

Pro Bowl is a joke anyway 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I realize it’s natural to focus on the problem areas…ie the positions that suck…as the problems on this team.  But every problem area has been pre-designated as such due to the preferential utilization or resources elsewhere.

We have $250m in the QB position and a QB that isn’t a pro-bowler this year.  We have 3 first round picks and a 3rd round pick in the DT position and 0 DT pro bowlers…yet the DT we let walk last offseason is in the pro bowl.

Those positions may not be the biggest problems, but the investment there IS part of why other positions suck.  And if we aren’t even getting pro-bowl level play out of it…well, THAT is a problem.

The other positions suck because Howie doesn't care about them.

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If the Eagles turn it around and make a deep playoff push, this all could end up being another underdog/fairy tale season.   They were favored but lost 4 out of 5, nose dived and became underdogs throughout the playoffs…but somehow turned it around and started winning again.

 

Superbowlzzzz??  

Hope you're right.

I'm feeling a close WC round win and then a curb stomping in the Divisional round.

I haven't watched all the AJ clips.  Was he saying that Quez freelanced, or Hurts, or both? Or did he just keep it general?

9 minutes ago, judunno said:

The other positions suck because Howie doesn't care about them.

 

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I realize it’s natural to focus on the problem areas…ie the positions that suck…as the problems on this team.  But every problem area has been pre-designated as such due to the preferential utilization or resources elsewhere.

We have $250m in the QB position and a QB that isn’t a pro-bowler this year.  We have 3 first round picks and a 3rd round pick in the DT position and 0 DT pro bowlers…yet the DT we let walk last offseason is in the pro bowl.

Those positions may not be the biggest problems, but the investment there IS part of why other positions suck.  And if we aren’t even getting pro-bowl level play out of it…well, THAT is a problem.

That is a pretty flawed way of looking at things.

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

a QB that isn’t a pro-bowler this year.  

Eh, 1st alternate is as close as you can get.  No one is saying Hurts is having a great season, he isn’t…not by his standards.   And yet he still made pro bowl 1st alternate. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That is a pretty flawed way of looking at things.

He's not really wrong.   The issue is that they aren't getting their ROI at the positions that they do invest in to match up with that investment, as a result, the intentional weaknesses are left to be more glaring because the places that are supposed to be higher leverage investments aren't doing what they are supposed to do.  

They have over invested in positions that aren't paying off the way that they are supposed to, based on the philosophy.    

Defensively, I think the key is that it boils down to one of these options, or a combination of the two.
1 - They invested in the wrong positions. 
2 - They invested in the wrong players, in the right positions.

Offensively, I think the biggest issue is that the play caller and play schemer don't know how to maximize the talent that they do have offensively.  And their philosophy of play is just out of whack.  Looking for the explosive plays at the wrong times and turtling at the wrong times.   They just seem to have no feel for the flow of the game.

@just relax

Mims the RT from Georgia declared. What do you think of him?

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

He's not really wrong.   The issue is that they aren't getting their ROI at the positions that they do invest in to match up with that investment, as a result, the intentional weaknesses are left to be more glaring because the places that are supposed to be higher leverage investments aren't doing what they are supposed to do.  

They have over invested in positions that aren't paying off the way that they are supposed to, based on the philosophy.    

Defensively, I think the key is that it boils down to one of these options, or a combination of the two.
1 - They invested in the wrong positions. 
2 - They invested in the wrong players, in the right positions.

Offensively, I think the biggest issue is that the play caller and play schemer don't know how to maximize the talent that they do have offensively.  And their philosophy of play is just out of whack.  Looking for the explosive plays at the wrong times and turtling at the wrong times.   They just seem to have no feel for the flow of the game.

QB underperformed. No one with a set of eyes and more than 2 brain cells argues that.

The DT evaluation is a bit of revisionist history. Hardly anyone here wanted to pay a huge contract to a 30+ year old Hargrave in a tight cap year. The 1st rounders at DT- 1 is old and playing above expectations. 1 is a rookie who will win DROY, though admittedly hit a rookie wall has had a good year and an incredibly bright future. The other, from last year was always expected to be a project. Needed to work on fitness, and learn technique as a pass rusher. 

I dont even think if we could go back, many of us would choose to pay Hargrave instead of draft Carter. 

31 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Hope you're right.

I'm feeling a close WC round win and then a curb stomping in the Divisional round.

They honestly need to lose the next two games or it's going to be a wasted year in 2024 before Nick gets fired anyway. Burn it down now and fix the clown problem. Howie and Jeff need their hands tied and that may be the best thing that could happen...that we don't want to see at the same time

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I realize it’s natural to focus on the problem areas…ie the positions that suck…as the problems on this team.  But every problem area has been pre-designated as such due to the preferential utilization or resources elsewhere.

We have $250m in the QB position and a QB that isn’t a pro-bowler this year.  We have 3 first round picks and a 3rd round pick in the DT position and 0 DT pro bowlers…yet the DT we let walk last offseason is in the pro bowl.

Those positions may not be the biggest problems, but the investment there IS part of why other positions suck.  And if we aren’t even getting pro-bowl level play out of it…well, THAT is a problem.

Zero DT Pro Bowlers? Cox has 6 Pro Bowls --- he does count as one of those 1sts, right? He also has been 1st or 2nd team all pro 4 times. As for Carter, Davis, and Williams, they are all on rookie contracts. You remember that guy named Jerome Brown? Yeah ... he didn't get into the Pro Bowl until his 4th season. Hargrave, BTW, didn't get to his 1st Pro Bowl until his 6th season. 

It's strange to think that some players can actually get better over time. Why didn't we get the memo?

As for QB, It would be neat if you could define "Pro Bowl level play." Dave Kreig made a few Pro Bowls. In fact, his last one in 1989, he had 20 INTs and 18 fumbles on the season. Was that Pro Bowl level play? 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

QB underperformed. No one with a set of eyes and more than 2 brain cells argues that.

The DT evaluation is a bit of revisionist history. Hardly anyone here wanted to pay a huge contract to a 30+ year old Hargrave in a tight cap year. The 1st rounders at DT- 1 is old and playing above expectations. 1 is a rookie who will win DROY, though admittedly hit a rookie wall has had a good year and an incredibly bright future. The other, from last year was always expected to be a project. Needed to work on fitness, and learn technique as a pass rusher. 

I dont even think if we could go back, many of us would choose to pay Hargrave instead of draft Carter. 

Who is revising history?  And where did I make this all about Hargrave?   They essentially ignored the LB corps in the offseason, and we see the effects, because now, not only is the pass defense deficient, but the RUN defense is also pathetic.   Remember, they let TWO LBs walk away.  They didn't value them enough and the drop off from last year to this year has been far more dramatic than anyone would have anticipated.  Add to that the fact that they haven't hit on a young DB in the draft in about a decade... and there you have it.  Spending money inappropriately, and on the wrong players.   Retaining one of the LBers over Bradberry would likely have been a much better investment for this team.  The magic 30 number that Joe Banner always used seems to make a lot of sense with CBs.   Slay has been decent, but seemingly self absorbed.  Meanwhile, Bradberry has been rather a standup guy, but is just washed.   And behind them we have youth, but not necessarily talent.  I'm not going to kill the Nolan Smith pick, because he's come on a little lately, but Joey Porter Jr would look pretty good here right about now.  Then again... we need Edge players too!  This team got old... fast, especially on defense.   The players are either at the very beginning of their careers: Davis, Carter, Smith, Blankenship, Ringo... or at the very ends: Cox, Graham, Slay, Bradberry, and I'd even say Reddick (29 and rising) and Sweat (he's only 26, but his knees seem to be at least 45).    Who on this defense would you say is actually in their PRIME right now?  The only real candidates to consider are: Milton Williams, Nicholas Morrow and Avante Maddox.   Not a pretty group to consider.   Am I missing someone?

52 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I realize it’s natural to focus on the problem areas…ie the positions that suck…as the problems on this team.  But every problem area has been pre-designated as such due to the preferential utilization or resources elsewhere.

We have $250m in the QB position and a QB that isn’t a pro-bowler this year.  We have 3 first round picks and a 3rd round pick in the DT position and 0 DT pro bowlers…yet the DT we let walk last offseason is in the pro bowl.

Those positions may not be the biggest problems, but the investment there IS part of why other positions suck.  And if we aren’t even getting pro-bowl level play out of it…well, THAT is a problem.

Hurts is pro bowl level, and was under MVP consideration a few weeks back.

53 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I realize it’s natural to focus on the problem areas…ie the positions that suck…as the problems on this team.  But every problem area has been pre-designated as such due to the preferential utilization or resources elsewhere.

We have $250m in the QB position and a QB that isn’t a pro-bowler this year.  We have 3 first round picks and a 3rd round pick in the DT position and 0 DT pro bowlers…yet the DT we let walk last offseason is in the pro bowl.

Those positions may not be the biggest problems, but the investment there IS part of why other positions suck.  And if we aren’t even getting pro-bowl level play out of it…well, THAT is a problem.

All things considered, replacing a DT in his 30's with a multi-year 20+ million contract with a DROY DT seems like a pretty good trade off to me. He wouldn't have moved the needle that much this year.