25 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

The penny situation is a joke. Waste of talent and roster spot.

Have any of the media asked nick about this or are they too bothered about trying to catch out AJ brown?

They're saving him for the playoffs duh. 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Yes and then you went on a tirade about it me somehow calling it easy and it's a special play. That's the part I'm confused on

Don't be confused my man. Just pointing out that the TD Lives Matter regardless of how you get them sneak or otherwise.

I’m not someone who is going to die on the pound it with Penny hill.  Heck, I’m not even on the hill.

But don’t you want to see what he’s got?  This is a team that barely practices during training camp or during the week.  Sure, he’s doing something wrong.  But their entire training camp of practices wasn’t enough to tell them Swift was better than Gainwell.  These coaches only figured that out with the rest of us when it was thrown in their face after the games started.

Again, this isn’t really a problem that moves the needle.  So whatever.  But its pretty unfair and unreasonable to assume they know anything we don’t about Penny given how little chance he’s had.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I was referring more to the DL investment. I still have very high hopes for Carter and Davis. I was against bringing Hargrave walk so I don't have a leg to stand on there but boy he's played a great year. I don't think the Eagles were giving him $80 million but how many years are the going to give Cox $14 for 1 year at a time? Might even out in the long run.

 

Though Cox is still very productive, I doubt they're going to give him 80 million dollars worth of 1 year contracts. Maybe he has 1 more year left in him if he so chooses :)

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not someone who is going to die on the pound it with Penny hill.  Heck, I’m not even on the hill.

But don’t you want to see what he’s got?  This is a team that barely practices during training camp or during the week.  Sure, he’s doing something wrong.  But their entire training camp of practices wasn’t enough to tell them Swift was better than Gainwell.  These coaches only figured that out with the rest of us when it was thrown in their face after the games started.

Again, this isn’t really a problem that moves the needle.  So whatever.  But its pretty unfair and unreasonable to assume they know anything we don’t about Penny given how little chance he’s had.

Absolutely. I imagine that the intent of dressing him last Sunday was to get him some garbage time burn but the garbage time never came sniff sniff.

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There's a disconnect with the coaching staff and personnel.

Teams that are heavily veteran tend to rely on complex schemes to hide physical limitations, since a veteran defense should be able to execute those schemes, teams with lots of young, athletic players tend to go KISS until the kids grow into the job and their heads stop spinning.

Eagles do not run complex schemes on either side of the ball, yet they haven't chosen to go "young and fast" either.

I think the running plays are actually fairly complex.  The route combinations are simple on offense.  

On defense, it's not a matter of complexity or simplicity but bad defensive theory (fear of the big play), poor  technique on top of bad execution.  Schwartz used to frustrate us with his simplistic approach on 3rd down but it worked.  

My sense is the disconnect is bigger than not putting the players in position to succeed but not coaches not knowing how to succeed (on defense especially).  

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm certainly not qualified to draw up a game plan for any NFL team, but the way I see it the Eagles chances for playoff success rest on:

Offense -- protect the defense.  Long, sustained drives that finish with points.  Control the ball, take what's there.  Chunk plays will come if they are patient and force the opponent into mistakes.  

Defense -- force turnovers.  The Eagles defense is not sound enough to play the two-high safety shell method.  That only works when you tighten up in the red zone and limit the opponent to FGs.  The Eagles have been a terrible red zone defense all year.  Gamble more, jump some routes, punch the ball out on every play.  You need luck.

I find that my frustration about the game is infinitely less if I lower my expectations.  

Offense - Run effectively and pass over the middle for one drive; run 2 qb RPO keepers and a WR screen for a 3 and out on the next. 

Defense - force a 3rd and 8 and get hit with a defensive holding penalty for the first down. Force one punt in the first quarter.  Give up 6 straight scoring drives.  Look confused about how to line up for the entire 2nd half.  Drop 3 interceptions and miss a fumble recovery because of a sack celebration.  Don't even try to set an edge.  DC looks like an idiot with a pencil sticking out of his nose by the 4th quarter. 

At least we aren't getting a rain game on Sunday

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I find that my frustration about the game is infinitely less if I lower my expectations.  

Offense - Run effectively and pass over the middle for one drive; run 2 qb RPO keepers and a WR screen for a 3 and out on the next. 

Defense - force a 3rd and 8 and get hit with a defensive holding penalty for the first down. Force one punt in the first quarter.  Give up 6 straight scoring drives.  Look confused about how to line up for the entire 2nd half.  Drop 3 interceptions and miss a fumble recovery because of a sack celebration.  Don't even try to set an edge.  DC looks like an idiot with a pencil sticking out of his nose by the 4th quarter. 

I mean, you could at least Spoiler tag the next game plan

22 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

They're saving him for the playoffs duh. 

A penny saved is....   well, you know.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not someone who is going to die on the pound it with Penny hill.  Heck, I’m not even on the hill.

But don’t you want to see what he’s got?  This is a team that barely practices during training camp or during the week.  Sure, he’s doing something wrong.  But their entire training camp of practices wasn’t enough to tell them Swift was better than Gainwell.  These coaches only figured that out with the rest of us when it was thrown in their face after the games started.

Again, this isn’t really a problem that moves the needle.  So whatever.  But its pretty unfair and unreasonable to assume they know anything we don’t about Penny given how little chance he’s had.

The problem with Penny is that he doesn't have a role on the offense.  Gainwell is the 2 minute offense back.  Swift is the first and second down back.  Hurts is their short yardage back.  Scott returns kickoffs.  There's an argument that Penny should be used on short yardage.  Heck, he could probably do the tush push but he isn't a pass catcher.  I would like to see Gainwell inactive and have swift get 2 minute reps with Penny as a rotational player.  I think Penny would be a difference maker similar to what Blount was in 2017.  

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I mean, you could at least Spoiler tag the next game plan

My bad

20 minutes ago, judunno said:

Though Cox is still very productive, I doubt they're going to give him 80 million dollars worth of 1 year contracts. Maybe he has 1 more year left in him if he so chooses 🙂

Thats my small gripe with him. Hes old and he keeps bleeding them for every last cent. 

Hes still been productive, but his deals are not team friendly and his money can pay for 2 adequate LBs. 

Hey, you guys wanna REALLY feel bad about things?

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Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Hey, you guys wanna REALLY feel bad about things?

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Fresh legs

19 minutes ago, judunno said:

Though Cox is still very productive, I doubt they're going to give him 80 million dollars worth of 1 year contracts. Maybe he has 1 more year left in him if he so chooses 🙂

Not quite $80 million, but they cut him in 2022 then signed him to a 1-year $14 million contract. In 2023, they signed him to a 1-year $10 million contract. So 2 straight 1 year deals equaling $24 million. I wouldn't be shocked to see him come back again next year on another deal either at or above so if that happens, he's at 3 straight 1-year deals for let's say $36 million.

The contract Hargrave signed is $40 million guaranteed and the Niners can get out of it after next year. I have a hard time believing John Lynch is a better dollars and cents guy than Howie. If the Eagles wanted him back, they could have made it work and it would have been at the expense of Fletcher Cox in 2023 and potentially 2024.

 

5 minutes ago, judunno said:

Fresh legs

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

Agree.  Hurts had a down year compared to last season, but if someone is judging a player’s season based on whether he made the pro bowl or not, then he is doing it wrong.  
 

From a pure overall production standpoint, Hurts should be a pro bowler.

The thing I think hurt him more than anything this year is the number of turnovers. He's a top 10 producer at the QB position, but he is also a top 3 producer at the QB position in turnovers for the year. As a fan of a TEAM, not a player, I judge their season based on wins, especially the QB position. The problem is you can't ignore the turnovers, especially when looking at the lack of wins in the last five weeks. 

14 minutes ago, judunno said:

Fresh legs

like penny

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

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Derek Barnett as a Texan- 2.5 sacks, 7 QB hits, 15 pressures

Casey Toohill 2023- 5 sacks, 7 QB hits

Kentavius Street 2023 post Eagles trade (5 games)- 1 sack, 1 FR, 4 TFL (8 Eagles games, 4 tackles)

Rasul Douglas 2023- 5 INT, 1 Pick 6, 3 FR, 14 passes defended

 

 

Just now, bpac55 said:

Derek Barnett as a Texan- 2.5 sacks, 7 QB hits, 15 pressures

Casey Toohill 2023- 5 sacks, 7 QB hits

Kentavius Street 2023 post Eagles trade (5 games)- 1 sack, 1 FR, 4 TFL (8 Eagles games, 4 tackles)

Rasul Douglas 2023- 5 INT, 1 Pick 6, 3 FR, 14 passes defended

 

 

What are you trying to do here?   

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Derek Barnett as a Texan- 2.5 sacks, 7 QB hits, 15 pressures

Casey Toohill 2023- 5 sacks, 7 QB hits

Kentavius Street 2023 post Eagles trade (5 games)- 1 sack, 1 FR, 4 TFL (8 Eagles games, 4 tackles)

Rasul Douglas 2023- 5 INT, 1 Pick 6, 3 FR, 14 passes defended

 

 

Barnett was given every opportunity here for seven seasons and did nothing. Can’t blame them on that one and two games against the Titans won’t change my mind on that. 
 

Toohill is worth complaining about though. He would have been a good depth piece here. 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

We aren’t fast. We aren’t physical. We aren’t aggressive.

Well, perhaps they could go for being polite.  "Hey you guys, can you please stop with all the Offense?  Thank you!"  

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Derek Barnett as a Texan- 2.5 sacks, 7 QB hits, 15 pressures

Casey Toohill 2023- 5 sacks, 7 QB hits

Kentavius Street 2023 post Eagles trade (5 games)- 1 sack, 1 FR, 4 TFL (8 Eagles games, 4 tackles)

Rasul Douglas 2023- 5 INT, 1 Pick 6, 3 FR, 14 passes defended

 

 

You didn't mention Jalen Reagor's 98-yard kickoff return TD, a week after Boston Scott left the ball on the ground at his own 15-yard line like it was an explosive device.

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Barnett was given every opportunity here for seven seasons and did nothing. Can’t blame them on that one and two games against the Titans won’t change my mind on that. 
 

Toohill is worth complaining about though. He would have been a good depth piece here. 

Barnett was a depth piece and at the very least ate snaps and was decent against the run here. Yes, he had his dumb penalties but they never replaced him. They gained nothing by releasing him. A sack is a sack, no matter the team. The Eagles have played statistically some of the worst OL this year and we all expected their DL to feast and every time they come up small. If Barnett is getting sacks against the Titans, that's great. I'd be just as happy if the Eagles could pile up sacks against inferior competition.