1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You didn't mention Jalen Reagor's 98-yard kickoff return TD, a week after Boston Scott left the ball on the ground at his own 15-yard line like it was an explosive device.

Or this 5 game stat line: 123 of 204 for 1,616 yards and 13 TD.

QB factory!

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What are you trying to do here?   

 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Barnett was a depth piece and at the very least ate snaps and was decent against the run here. Yes, he had his dumb penalties but they never replaced him. They gained nothing by releasing him. A sack is a sack, no matter the team. The Eagles have played statistically some of the worst OL this year and we all expected their DL to feast and every time they come up small. If Barnett is getting sacks against the Titans, that's great. I'd be just as happy if the Eagles could pile up sacks against inferior competition. 

Attitude-wise, it appeared Barnett was done with the organization. That said, he was a rotational piece to give Sweat a break. Somewhere along the way, the D forgot that platooning Dlinemen keeps them fresh and wears down the other team. Why Ojomo, for instance, isn't getting snaps just to give Cox a break is bewildering. Siri's inexperience has shown in that he hired OCs and expected them to "get it" when, in reality, they don't on either side of the ball and it doesn't seem like he knows how to address the situation.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Thats my small gripe with him. Hes old and he keeps bleeding them for every last cent. 

Hes still been productive, but his money can pay for 2 adequate LBs. 

My guess is he stays for one more year and gets north of $10 million but who knows.  He could do a Suh at this point and they sign him after training camp.  

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Titans might have the worst LT situation in the league. Barnett had plenty of opportunities here. 6 years, 3 DCs.

The dumb part was not replacing him. I don't know why the team that re-signed BG and drafted Nolan Smith in RD1 suddenly decided to stop rotating edge rushers, but it's tougher now that you have one less viable guy.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

How is this an indictment on the Eagles?  He had every opportunity to produce and played next to better than average players.  He just didn't produce.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

How is this an indictment on the Eagles?  He had every opportunity to produce and played next to better than average players.  He just didn't produce.  

Everything is an indictment on the Eagles.  Every. Thing.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Everything is an indictment on the Eagles.  Every. Thing.

Hopefully Wentz will regain his 2017 form and throw for 7 tds and 500 yards against the 49ers.  

30 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Barnett was a depth piece and at the very least ate snaps and was decent against the run here. Yes, he had his dumb penalties but they never replaced him. They gained nothing by releasing him. A sack is a sack, no matter the team. The Eagles have played statistically some of the worst OL this year and we all expected their DL to feast and every time they come up small. If Barnett is getting sacks against the Titans, that's great. I'd be just as happy if the Eagles could pile up sacks against inferior competition. 

He was never decent against the run

49 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

At this stage of the season, I don’t think there is anything anyone can do to solve the problems the defense has. It’s having a snowball effect, which has turned into an avalanche of mediocrity. Bad to worse to historically awful. 

The switch of coordinator’s doesn’t help, some guys won’t like Patricia, or his scheme, obviously it’s not his scheme totally but he’s trying to put Belichick’s touches on it by dropping Reddick into coverage like NE did with Jamie Collins when Patricia was there. 
 Why they hired someone that called offensive plays last season for New England, that previously coached a defense different from the defense Howie is married too makes no sense. 

As for Sunday, the Eagles need to run the ball, Siri needs to tell Lurie that he’s activating Penny and they’re running to keep the Giants offense off the field because Taylor isn’t Devito, Taylor can make NFL throws. 
 Patricia needs to tell Howie tough sheet on the Fangio defense, if they rush more than 4, the corners are gonna have to be in press coverage, they can’t let Taylor (Sam Howell) them to death, that means Ricks or Ringo starts opposite Slay, Bradberry can go into the Safety rotation  and may stay there for the playoffs. I wouldn’t want Bradberry completely off the field, he still has better ball skills than Ringo or Rick’s.   Even if Ringo/Ricks play press, in zone, then Bradberry can cover over the top in zone on their WR. 
 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

He was never decent against the run

All highly drafted or often used DEs who do not do much in the sack department are labeled outstanding contain guys and run defenders by the collective blog/media apologist camp.

Until Barnett universally fell out of favor, he was one of those.

3 games changes nothing about Barnett.  We’ve known what he is and what he isn’t for years…and that path was apparent from the moment he was drafted.

Hes not bad.  Hes not that good either.  He is a very, very below average athlete and has to play before and after the whistle to compensate for that, hence the penalties.  He’s a reasonable rotational player.

The interesting thing here is that he was actually a good fit as a backup to rotate with Sweat.  On the field, there was no reason to cut him.  So something outside of that got emotional and went south….because cutting him made the team ever so slightly worse.

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

How is this an indictment on the Eagles?  He had every opportunity to produce and played next to better than average players.  He just didn't produce.  

Bigger question is how many penalties does he have 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bigger question is how many penalties does he have 

Two. For unsportsmanlike and they attributed them to the Eagles and we weren't even playing in the game.

21 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Hopefully Wentz will regain his 2017 form and throw for 7 tds and 500 yards against the 49ers.  

How would that help us?  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How would that help us?  

Not at all - 

I wanted to jump into the Hurts rushing TD debate for a minute.

Point:  All TDs are created equal, 6+1.  Doesn’t matter how you get them. (Fact)

Counterpoint: you won’t get enough of them if you can’t score them in enough different ways.

In the red zone, Hurts has to be able to throw a fade, nail a TE with a quick hitter as 2 LBs are closing in, roll out and find an off-script read that peels open and get him the ball.  I’m not saying that Hurts can’t do these things, but it is reality that he simply does not do these things nearly as often as other, more traditional elite QBs.

This red zone offense is built around funneling itself into tush push situations.  It’s a simple fact that this greatly inflates Hurts’ rushing TDs.

So while all TDs are created equal…is this philosophy, this approach, this utilization of Hurts…is it working?  Are they scoring enough TDs?

IMO, the answer is sort of.  They are #10 in red zone TD%.  That’s pretty good, but it’s not spectacular.  They are well off their pace last year and well behind the numbers we usually see from elite offenses that carry teams.  This year is actually the lowest the Eagles have been in that department since 2018.

They are actually worse at scoring TDs when in the red zone than they have been since 2018…and that is with the explosion of the "transcendent” tush push.  But yes…they are still good at it.  So I do think it’s fair to say that their approach to the red zone IS a bit overrated and does create some misleading stats.  It’s still productivity, but I think we’d be better off with a more consistent passing offense than one that uses the franchise QB as the big back.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I wanted to jump into the Hurts rushing TD debate for a minute.

Point:  All TDs are created equal, 6+1.  Doesn’t matter how you get them. (Fact)

Counterpoint: you won’t get enough of them if you can’t score them in enough different ways.

In the red zone, Hurts has to be able to throw a fade, nail a TE with a quick hitter as 2 LBs are closing in, roll out and find an off-script read that peels open and get him the ball.  I’m not saying that Hurts can’t do these things, but it is reality that he simply does not do these things nearly as often as other, more traditional elite QBs.

This red zone offense is built around funneling itself into tush push situations.  It’s a simple fact that this greatly inflates Hurts’ rushing TDs.

So while all TDs are created equal…is this philosophy, this approach, this utilization of Hurts…is it working?  Are they scoring enough TDs?

IMO, the answer is sort of.  They are #10 in red zone TD%.  That’s pretty good, but it’s not spectacular.  They are well off their pace last year and well behind the numbers we usually see from elite offenses that carry teams.  This year is actually the lowest the Eagles have been in that department since 2018.

They are actually worse at scoring TDs when in the red zone than they have been since 2018…and that is with the explosion of the "transcendent” tush push.  But yes…they are still good at it.  So I do think it’s fair to say that their approach to the red zone IS a bit overrated and does create some misleading stats.  It’s still productivity, but I think we’d be better off with a more consistent passing offense than one that uses the franchise QB as the big back.

13 of Hurts TDs have come from tush pushes inside the 3 yard line. He has 2 QB draw runs outside of 10 yards. You're 100% correct in saying that this offense is built around getting in to tush push situations. I'll add to it, that's their entire offense though. They would rather get in to 3rd and short instead of going for a 1st down on 1st and 2nd down. Everything they do is predicated around the tush push.

Lol of course he wouldn't be on the list

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He was never decent against the run

When I say decent, I mean he was OK. He wasn't a world beater by any means but he held his own. I think he offered at the very least, the same as Sweat on run plays, and those plays off would help Sweat immensely.  

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol of course he wouldn't be on the list

Good thing the Panthers players like spending so much time around Thomas Brown, that offense is incredible.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bigger question is how many penalties does he have 

It's always him. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

13 of Hurts TDs have come from tush pushes inside the 3 yard line. He has 2 QB draw runs outside of 10 yards. You're 100% correct in saying that this offense is built around getting in to tush push situations. I'll add to it, that's their entire offense though. They would rather get in to 3rd and short instead of going for a 1st down on 1st and 2nd down. Everything they do is predicated around the tush push.

It’s a bizarre bipolar philosophy.  They are so obsessed over big plays and deep balls (we all love that…and they are a critical component of elite offenses).  But at other times, like you said, rather than just run the offense and aggressively move the ball…their playcalling and offense is built around getting to 3rd and short.  It really constricts the playbook and limits them.

Why can't our OL do this? Is that right side, Jamal Jackson, Max Jean-Gilles and Jon-Runyan? Kelce, Jurgens and Lane are 10x the athletes those guys were and we can't block anything like this. Should be a staple of this offense with super athletic lineman across the board.