7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure about that at all.   Consider... which would be better... a step back in Philly, or a complete rebuild in Carolina, without a first round pick, hitched to Bryce Young, and not much of anything to actually build around?    

You want to go to Atlanta and try starting over there?   or Las Vegas with that dysfunctional ownership?  

 

If the Eagles were to fire Sirianni, even making it clear that they are going to be looking to take a step back in year 1 to fix the cap situation a little... I think this job would still be far more attractive than Carolina, Atlanta or Las Vegas.  Washington and the Chargers might be the top 2 openings.  Washington because they own the #2 overall pick... and the Chargers because Herbert is there and there's still hope... if they can figure out that defensive ineptitude (similarly here... the defense would need a complete overhaul).   I think the Chargers, having more flexibility in the cap right now would be more attractive, but not by a land slide.  

Atlanta and Las Vegas though are just dysfunctional organizations and not destination jobs at all.  Taking a job like that would be one of those 'there are only 32 of these available in the world' rationalizations.  

I don't know some coaches might wonder what the measuring stick of success is if the last 2 coaches were let go after having made the playoffs more often than not and both having gone to the Super Bowl.  Also, the reality is that Sirianni isn't the architect of the defensive staff and failures on that side of the ball.  I am sure a lot of candidates would look at Sirianni getting fired as being unfair and the result of Howie trying to shift blame for his poor decisions.  

5 minutes ago, Lman said:

I'd can Nick today to get Vrabel. 

What has Vrabel done? 

The biggest issues with a new coach are:

1. Is he willing to be a puppet for Lowie?

2. Does he believe in Howie's ability to bring in talent?

3. Does he believe in Jalen Hurts?

3. Will Lurie hand him a long/lucrative contract to mitigate the risk of getting fired quickly?

Based on that I wouldn't expect us to land any of the "hot" candidates, just like the last 2 coaching searches.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know some coaches might wonder what the measuring stick of success is if the last 2 coaches were let go after having made the playoffs more often than not and both having gone to the Super Bowl.  Also, the reality is that Sirianni isn't the architect of the defensive staff and failures on that side of the ball.  I am sure a lot of candidates would look at Sirianni getting fired as being unfair and the result of Howie trying to shift blame for his poor decisions.  

They’d also be on their 4th HC in 10 years. Add to that 2 had great success and as soon as regression or a bad season hit they were shown the door. So if I’m a candidate, I’m resigned to the fact we are basically not competing for a SB in 2024. So if personnel moves after the reset don’t work in 2025, howie is not getting fired. It goes all on me as the HC even if the personnel and bad moves continued

eagles still way more attractive then Carolina and Vegas but telling a new HC we are having a reset year so that in 2025 we will be definitive SB contenders means if the eagles aren’t in 2025 based off their history a chance a move is made at HC

i don’t want to waste a year knowing this organization has shown to make a coaching change after a regression/bad season. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am coming into an organization that’s losing guys like kelce and Cox. That hurts. Probably wasting one of lane’s last years of his career. Also chance he retires knowing you are doing that  also knowing I’m not going to be likely competing for a title my first year cause we need to reset. And that doesn’t even me they make the necessary picks or hit on those free agents to even make the jump in 2025.

That makes it less attractive. I didn’t say it was less attractive to other jobs like Carolina. I said it makes it a less attractive job.

also let’s not pretend if sirianni gets fired the eagles haven’t had their share of dysfunction. We just demoted a DC in week 15, sirianni would’ve been fired a year after a SB, we had the wentz ordeal, doug not playing nice with howie and being fired 3 years after winning a SB and we’d be on our 4th coach in 10 years 

Atlanta’s coach coming in has a lot to work with. They have solid oline and good weapons. Defense needs some additions but they aren’t a disaster. I get a top 10 pick and can trade or take a Qb i like. I’m not locked into an expensive QB and needing to rebuild a defense and taking a step back. Chargers I’m likely getting personnel control (why harbaugh wants it) and herbert. And the chargers don’t lack talent. They never have, they’ve lacked good coaching.

not gonna disagree on the raiders. I wouldn’t touch that or Carolina job. 

I agree, of those 4 destinations ATL is probably at worst the 2nd choice, but at the same time you have a committed owner and front office in PHI, maybe you lose or step back a bit for a year, it's easily worth it in my opinion, Rip off the band-aid. The best football city and fanbase out of those 4 is easily PHI and it's not even close, and you are going to a team that has won consistently for 22 years. Maybe a down year here and there but a winning team overall with committed ownership...put some clauses in the contract, make it work for both parties.

13 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I m not sold he moves on...I think it would have been announced if it were decided already. i think they are really trying to find a way to make it work.

I don't see Vrabel moving on from the Titans unless he had a heads up the NE job was available.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

What has Vrabel done? 

 

His teams are always prepared, they play up to their competition, and players like him. 

 

2 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I agree, of those 4 destinations ATL is probably at worst the 2nd choice, but at the same time you have a committed owner and front office in PHI, maybe you lose or step back a bit for a year, it's easily worth it in my opinion, Rip off the band-aid. The best football city and fanbase out of those 4 is easily PHI and it's not even close, and you are going to a team that has won consistently for 22 years. Maybe a down year here and there but a winning team overall with committed ownership...put some clauses in the contract, make it work for both parties.

It isn’t that it wouldn’t still be an attractive job. I said or meant to say it makes it less attractive then considering the eagles are asking you to basically concede 2024 for a brighter 2025. Meanwhile if 2025 doesn’t go the way it’s planned you are on the chopping block. Eagles if they fire sirianni would have 4 coaches in 10 years. Tells me if in 2025 we don’t meet expectations that there’s a good chance I’m gone. 

18 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I would expect Arthur Smith to join Vrabel as his OC whereever Vrabel lands.

Idk how i feel about smith. I want to believe he’s likely best suited as a OC. He was good with titans as Oc. Maximized Henry and tannehill. but absolutely abysmal as a HC in utilizing his weapons. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I don't see Vrabel moving on from the Titans unless he had a heads up the NE job was available.

Fair point but honestly I could see him going to WAS as well...at the same time, I don't know...maybe Bill moves into front office and Vrabel takes over, going to be kind of wierd if Bill gets asked to move on and a former player/coach of his takes over knowing his mentor was pushed out...I would tell Kraft to F'off myself...loyalty to your coach comes first, at least it does for me.

22 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The NFL just doesn’t work like that, bud.  Wish it did sometimes but that’s not based on reality.  

Correct. They tried really hard (for the most part) in all but one game, but suck for a variety of reasons. Some immediately rectifiable and others that we can slap some lipstick on, but it'll still be a pig. There is no rope a dope in a 17 game season. No room for it, as evidenced by our current slide to missing the bye and HFA. 

With that said, I think there are a lot of veterans with a lot of pride and the easy to fix stuff is ALL on the O. So score a bunch of points, look halfway competent on D and we will get a W.   And then who knows? A little luck, a good bounce, some bad weather (Niners suck in the rain) and yada yada yada. 

Now, do I expect a wrinkle here and there on O, yeah maybe.  Funny thing is they need to simply play super vanilla football on O and just move the damn ball.  I don't need 9 jet sweeps with 4 reverses and Scott throwing passes. We need under center snaps with handoffs, short dropbacks, quick slants, RB screens TO SWIFT more than to Gainwell, with FORWARD movement and mix in the good stuff to AJ and Slim.  On D they need to DUMB IT DOWN and squeeze the box.  I DO NOT CARE if someone hits the long ball.  Just take away the under and force teams to work.

Let's play some football.  

4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

His teams are always prepared, they play up to their competition, and players like him. 

 

It's got a good beat and you can dance to it.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk how i feel about smith. I want to believe he’s likely best suited as a OC. He was good with titans as Oc. Maximized Henry and tannehill. but absolutely abysmal as a HC in utilizing his weapons. 

I'm not all that impressed with his weapons in Atlanta.  Bottom line he hasn't had a QB there.  Just Desmond Ridder, Marcus Mariota, and the corpse of Matt Ryan his first year.

So I'd say the jury is out on his head coaching abilities.  Most likely he'll need another successful stint as an OC to get another HC chance.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It isn’t that it wouldn’t still be an attractive job. I said or meant to say it makes it less attractive then considering the eagles are asking you to basically concede 2024 for a brighter 2025. Meanwhile if 2025 doesn’t go the way it’s planned you are on the chopping block. Eagles if they fire sirianni would have 4 coaches in 10 years. Tells me if in 2025 we don’t meet expectations that there’s a good chance I’m gone. 

I understand and you're right, but I would go in knowing and voicing these concerns, ask for a 4 or 5 year deal...hypothetically if what you said were to happen most GMs and owners (future hiring opportunities) would also understand what you were up against and if you perform as best as possible you haven't ruined your career or a chance to HC elswhere. I say it's worth this risk, but your points are real and valid, it is a little less attractive, but the reward is defintiely worth the risk. plus they would get to deal with the wonderful media our large markets have!🤣

13 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The biggest issues with a new coach are:

1. Is he willing to be a puppet for Lowie?

2. Does he believe in Howie's ability to bring in talent?

3. Does he believe in Jalen Hurts?

3. Will Lurie hand him a long/lucrative contract to mitigate the risk of getting fired quickly?

Based on that I wouldn't expect us to land any of the "hot" candidates, just like the last 2 coaching searches.

I think #1 is vastly overblown by people. No one even has any idea if it's true, yet people talk like they know for sure it is.

Every time something happens within the Eagles people just assume the coach had no say and it's all Lurie and Howie and it's based on absolutely nothing. That's not saying that isn't the case, but no one on the outside has any idea what the dynamics are.

I mean, we have Nick publicly saying that he was 100% behind the decision to promote Desai and people still assume it was Howie and Lurie even though we have no evidence or reporting to back that up.

11 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

His teams are always prepared, they play up to their competition, and players like him. 

 

He's Marty Schottenheimer.  

6 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I understand and you're right, but I would go in knowing and voicing these concerns, ask for a 4 or 5 year deal...hypothetically if what you said were to happen most GMs and owners (future hiring opportunities) would also understand what you were up against and if you perform as best as possible you haven't ruined your career or a chance to HC elswhere. I say it's worth this risk, but your points are real and valid, it is a little less attractive, but the reward is defintiely worth the risk. plus they would get to deal with the wonderful media our large markets have!🤣

The issue is howie is not getting fired. So basically you are the one with his clock ticking as soon as you take the job. That’s really the issue cause that’s what’s been shown. The HC (sometimes rightfully and sometimes not) has been the one that didn’t survive. So you are essentially conceding that if things don’t go well it’s you who’s gonna be the first to go cause howie is gonna be a mainstay. So I’m already giving up one year so i better be damn good in 2025 otherwise we are having a sirianni (lesser extent doug) discussion again. Imo makes it less attractive to ask me to give up a year expecting less 

I really don't think there's anything Nick can do to get fired after this season. Even if they are blown out in Tampa, I think Howie and Lurie will be loathe to fire him -- 3 of 3 years in the playoffs, a Super Bowl trip...to outside candidates, you start to look like an unstable organization that has no patience. A top flight candidate (Vrabel, Belichick, Ben Johnson, etc.) isn't going to sign up for a job where Nick's resume gets you canned after 3 years. 

The one caveat would be if Nick died on his sword to bring back Patricia and Johnson, but I don't see that happening. We likely have a new DC, and either a new OC or more likely a new senior advisor on offense. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

a new senior advisor on offense. 

Time to bring back Scangerello and slap another italian flag patch on his sleeve!

I don't think Lurie looks at the situation that way. I don't think he cares about what Sirianni has done, I think he's only going to care about if it trusts him going forward or not.

I think his inability to adjust to the most basic things, very few players playing above expectations, locker room falling apart so quickly, if he truly was behind the Patricia move and it backfired, Lurie will probably have lost a lot of trust in him. And getting older I don't know if he'll be patient enough to risk them bringing him back next season. Because if they do and week 1 it's QB draws, bubble screens, and the team still having no clue against the blitz again, you've essentially thrown an entire year down the toilet because you thought you owed a coach you didn't trust another season because of past accomplishments.

I think this purely comes down to the trust level Lurie has in Sirianni.

And that's not even factoring in whether he has the support of the team's stars, which if he doesn't will probably resonate a lot. It's easier to replace a coach than a 250m QB.

There are so many better candidates out there better than Siri that it is negligent to not move on from him.

Harbaugh, Vrabel, Ben Johnson, likely Beliicheck etc.

35 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

What has Vrabel done? 

I don't see the hype

14 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

He's Marty Schottenheimer.  

Nah.  Vrabel's a novice, where Schottenheimer IMO is the greatest head coach never to win a Super Bowl.  His teams were bad in the playoffs, but he won in CLE, SD, and KC where other head coaches couldn't succeed.  

29 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

His teams are always prepared, they play up to their competition, and players like him. 

 

The tweet highlights the pros and the cons of hiring him. 

He's a defensive head coach who gets the most out of the talent on his team. 

But what are they doing on offense there? The QBs, the WRs...

How much of the blind spot is the GM and how much is him valuing defense too much over the offense?

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think #1 is vastly overblown by people. No one even has any idea if it's true, yet people talk like they know for sure it is.

Every time something happens within the Eagles people just assume the coach had no say and it's all Lurie and Howie and it's based on absolutely nothing. That's not saying that isn't the case, but no one on the outside has any idea what the dynamics are.

I mean, we have Nick publicly saying that he was 100% behind the decision to promote Desai and people still assume it was Howie and Lurie even though we have no evidence or reporting to back that up.

You're right in the sense that Sirianni wanted to run a Fangio type scheme with an emphasis on not giving up big plays.  I think it's likely more cooperative than not but the reality doesn't matter.  There's bound to be a some negative backlash about Howie and Lurie if Sirianni is let go.