2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

people hated the sticks which was pretty much perfect in its effectiveness. There were some situations where it didnt allow a 1st but did give up enough yards to allow a FG so people really began to think it was idiotic. Situationally it could have been better at times, but it was possibly 100% effective without looking it up. I just remember it always working.

I think the one issue with Schwartz was how soft he had our CBs playing. Which frustratingly has continued with each DC after him. 

The one time against Titans it didn't work which was Corey Grahams fault anyway, but everyone held it against Schwartz. 

I'd kill for the sticks D this year with all the 3rd and longs we give up.

23 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

Let’s not forget. We had flacco. And schwartz, but most people couldn’t wait to see the back of them 

It was pointless for us to have Flacco and Minshew.  The only way they could have kept Schwartz is if they had made him the head coach.  

56 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Very good defense, but "carried" might be a bit of a stretch given that their offense finished top-10 in pts scored while their defense finished just 13th in pts allowed. Flacco has been on a tear while their defense has seemed to have regressed a bit. A better example of a defense carrying their team into the playoffs would be the Steelers or maybe the Bucs.

Joe Flacco went on a tear but also had 8 INTs in those 5 weeks with Flacco and 4 fumbles.  

And remember, the Browns were MINUS 9 in turnover ratio on the season.  The Browns turned the ball over 37 times... tops in the NFL, and yet... managed to only give up 21 ppg.   That's what a great defense does, when the offense screws them over, they don't fold and keep the game in reach.   That's what the Browns' D did.  

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I was always fine with Schwartz. I don't get all the hate.

Yep.  I think he did the most with the talent he had.  

29 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

Let’s not forget. We had flacco. And schwartz, but most people couldn’t wait to see the back of them 

Oh, I'm not a fan of Flacco...  but I am a fan of Schwartz.  I wasn't on the "fire Schwartz" bandwagon.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The one time against Titans it didn't work which was Corey Grahams fault anyway, but everyone held it against Schwartz. 

I'd kill for the sticks D this year with all the 3rd and longs we give up.

I was at that game. Puke

The Eagles have beat Six Teams in the NFL Playoffs this season.  The Most for any Playoff Team.  3 NFC/3 AFC (Bucs, Rams, Dolphins, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bills).   

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Oh, I'm not a fan of Flacco...  but I am a fan of Schwartz.  I wasn't on the "fire Schwartz" bandwagon.

Get read for Matt Patricia running the defense next year cause bo wulf thinks he’s back and Berman heard that too. If they do that might as well fire sirianni now cause that defense is going to be horrific and we’ll be in the same spot likelt less wins  

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Joe Flacco went on a tear but also had 8 INTs in those 5 weeks with Flacco and 4 fumbles.  

And remember, the Browns were MINUS 9 in turnover ratio on the season.  The Browns turned the ball over 37 times... tops in the NFL, and yet... managed to only give up 21 ppg.   That's what a great defense does, when the offense screws them over, they don't fold and keep the game in reach.   That's what the Browns' D did.  

The Browns are also dead last in red zone defense (somehow even worse than us if you can believe it.) They started out hot but cooled off in the second half of the season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-pct

And despite all the turnovers, the offense still put up enough pts to finish top-10 in scoring. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Get read for Matt Patricia running the defense next year cause bo wulf thinks he’s back and Berman heard that too. If they do that might as well fire sirianni now cause that defense is going to be horrific and we’ll be in the same spot likelt less wins  

That's wasting a great offense IMO

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

That's wasting a great offense IMO

I agree. I think it’s Fing stupid. Matt Patricia has shown with the lions that he’s not a good coach. Without Belichick he’s been crap. you’re gonna have to make another change in 2025 when they still Fing suck and then you’re gonna have to rebuild the defense again to fit another scheme. Just hire a Fing good coach. Patricia had proven he not. 

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I was always fine with Schwartz. I don't get all the hate.

He was no Buddy Ryan or Jim Johnson.  

15 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The Browns are also dead last in red zone defense (somehow even worse than us if you can believe it.) They started out hot but cooled off in the second half of the season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-pct

And despite all the turnovers, the offense still put up enough pts to finish top-10 in scoring. 

That's pretty freaking impressive.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree. I think it’s Fing stupid. Matt Patricia has shown with the lions that he’s not a good coach. Without Belichick he’s been crap. you’re gonna have to make another change in 2025 when they still Fing suck and then you’re gonna have to rebuild the defense again to fit another scheme. Just hire a Fing good coach. Patricia had proven he not. 

I think Patricia probably deserves some credit for NE but he's done nothing since.  

The 2017 team had physical RBs, good LBs, and good safeties. It's as if Howie didn't even notice.

@Joe Ball

How do you feel about matchup sunday's matchup..

Daddy Rodgers isn't here this time so thats a advantage for the boys

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Get read for Matt Patricia running the defense next year cause bo wulf thinks he’s back and Berman heard that too. If they do that might as well fire sirianni now cause that defense is going to be horrific and we’ll be in the same spot likelt less wins  

God that would be depressing. So many other candidates would be almost guaranteed to be better options. Leslie Frazier, Ejiro Evero, Dennard Wilson, Wink Martindale, John Butler, Anthony Weaver, Marquand Manuel. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

God that would be depressing. So many other candidates would be almost guaranteed to be better options. Leslie Frazier, Ejiro Evero, Dennard Wilson, Wink Martindale, John Butler, Anthony Weaver, Marquand Manuel. 

Anybody but the fing pencil!

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think Patricia probably deserves some credit for NE but he's done nothing since.  

I view Patricia the same way, I view Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels got way more than he deserved because Tom Brady was the best Fing quarterback we’ve seen in the last 40 years. Matt Patricia was working with them one of the best defensive masterminds the NFL has seen in the last 40 years.  It would’ve been one thing if you manage to keep the lions, mediocre or sleep regression. But he didn’t even do that. They went from mediocre to the worst in the oesgue. And then he comes here and guys can’t even get lined up properly and the wrong gaps. With some of it goes all the players but if it’s the same thing week after week it falls on a Dc for not getting through to his players better 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree. I think it’s Fing stupid. Matt Patricia has shown with the lions that he’s not a good coach. Without Belichick he’s been crap. you’re gonna have to make another change in 2025 when they still Fing suck and then you’re gonna have to rebuild the defense again to fit another scheme. Just hire a Fing good coach. Patricia had proven he not. 

I can see the angst in making two coordinator switches again, but to me the problem has been the defensive side of the ball (even though the offense hasn't done them any great favors).  The offensive issues can be fixed with some tweaking; the defensive issues need a full rebuild.  I wouldn't bat an eye if every single draft pick in April is defense -- although I know it won't happen.

For Nick's own sake I'm sure a call will be made to Frank Reich after the season.  Hurts is going into his 5th year next season and second contract, so I really don't care what coaches he's familiar or comfortable with.  If BJ isn't the right man for the OC job then he needs to go.  If Reich isn't interested in returning to coaching then some calls have to be made to external candidates -- I wouldn't bring Arthur Smith in because the Eagles aren't committed to being a run-first offense. 

The defense needs to be handed over to an established DC and given some autonomy, IMO.  Since Schwartz left the Eagles have tried two young guys with minimal success.        

3 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

Anybody but the fing pencil!

41 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The one time against Titans it didn't work which was Corey Grahams fault anyway, but everyone held it against Schwartz. 

I'd kill for the sticks D this year with all the 3rd and longs we give up.

They also blew a 17-0 lead to Carolina that year as well. Granted, Carson had the ball in his hands to win the game and decided to play hero ball and threw a pick to end it. I agree though, I'll take the sticks defense over the abomination that we have now.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I can see the angst in making two coordinator switches again, but to me the problem has been the defensive side of the ball (even though the offense hasn't done them any great favors).  The offensive issues can be fixed with some tweaking; the defensive issues need a full rebuild.  I wouldn't bat an eye if every single draft pick in April is defense -- although I know it won't happen.

For Nick's own sake I'm sure a call will be made to Frank Reich after the season.  Hurts is going into his 5th year next season and second contract, so I really don't care what coaches he's familiar or comfortable with.  If BJ isn't the right man for the OC job then he needs to go.  If Reich isn't interested in returning to coaching then some calls have to be made to external candidates -- I wouldn't bring Arthur Smith in because the Eagles aren't committed to being a run-first offense. 

The defense needs to be handed over to an established DC and given some autonomy, IMO.  Since Schwartz left the Eagles have tried two young guys with minimal success.        

To your last paragraph, I 100% agree. I think that’s what they want. I think that’s why Fangio was in the building. Because they thought there was a chance Jonathan Gannon could leave and if he did they would have that Jim Schwartz guide in fangio. But the way it played out they got the short end of the stick as fangio left to go to Miami because gannon and the cardinals didn’t let them know about how serious the interest was.

if they think Matt Patricia is that guy they’re Fing idiots. And we’re gonna be talking at the end of 2024 about needing a new defensive coordinator

34 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

The Eagles have beat Six Teams in the NFL Playoffs this season.  The Most for any Playoff Team.  3 NFC/3 AFC (Bucs, Rams, Dolphins, Cowboys, Chiefs, Bills).   

That was back in the olden days.