Just now, ManuManu said:

Man, I’ve gotta go to bed. I’ve spent more energy tackling HE’s posts than the Eagles did tonight against Tampa. 

you missed like the defense did. My posts are like Deuce McAllister. Unstoppable by an eagles defense in the playoffs.

Hurts was an MVP candidate a year ago and bro is saying Hurts is the problem with the offense. Not the playcalling that refuses to run, who throws as many WR screens than rushing attempts, and runs 8 different play schemes per game for an entire season lol. 

15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

How did they move on so soon from Wentz?

It was a much smaller, shorter deal where a chunk of the guaranteed money went to the Colts as option bonuses. Like a 30mm dead cap hit. Hurts would be almost 3x that. 

This needs to be fixed for next year.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2023/12/21/24010182/what-is-wrong-with-philadelphia-eagles-offense-jalen-hurts

12 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I was a complete nonbeliever in Hurts. I didn’t think he had it in him to become a real top tier NFL QB - reading defenses, looking past his first read, and not just taking off as soon as he saw ghosts. 
 

and then he shut me up last year and I was very happy to be wrong. 
 

and then there was this season where he regressed, a lot. 
 

Which season was the anomaly? How much is Hurts? How much is the OC?

The truth is he lies somewhere in the middle. Next year should show whether long term he is closer to last year or this year. 

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I love me some Smitty.  Yeah I don't think Hurts will be embraced the way Kelce is, Bryce Harper, others.  Philly fans like emotional passionate players that are "fiery" like Jeff Garcia!  

If Hurts has a strong season next year, if he delivers a Super Bowl championship eventually, then who cares.  I'm a huge Kelce fan, he's bigger than just a football player.  But not everyone will be like that.  In fact that is rare.

Yes if he wins a SB, nobody will give a crap, rightfully so. I don’t need Jeff Garcia, but I don’t want Bill Bellichick as the QB of my team either. You can have that lack of personality as a perennial winner and superb player here. But if you aren’t one as the leader of our most beloved franchise, you’ll wear your welcome out fast. 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Technically could cut hurts as a post June 1st but that’s a lot of dead money and no savings the first two years. It’s not gonna happen 

 

And 85mm in 2025 dead cap 

I’ve said it over and under. Hurts isn’t Peyton Manning, he doesn’t need to throw 30+ times per game. But the staff kept neglecting the run and relying on a bad passing scheme, and not using their players to their optimal ability. 
 

Smitty/AJ would be nearly unstoppable if we ran the ball and set them up from PA, and mixed up our run schemes and quick passing. We literally didn’t run the ball with this season. This staff has wasted a season for no reason. With bad decision after bad decision. 

4 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Hurts was an MVP candidate a year ago and bro is saying Hurts is the problem with the offense. Not the playcalling that refuses to run, who throws as many WR screens than rushing attempts, and runs 8 different play schemes per game for an entire season lol. 

What he’s saying is that they are forced into that scheme because of Hurts’ limitations. The truth is that both the coaching and the QB were problems this year. It isn’t one or the other. Like most arguments, the answer lies in the middle. 

10 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Hurts was an MVP candidate a year ago and bro is saying Hurts is the problem with the offense. Not the playcalling that refuses to run, who throws as many WR screens than rushing attempts, and runs 8 different play schemes per game for an entire season lol. 

Wrong.  I have said many times that Brian Johnson was a problem too. That's hire is the nepotism that this franchise thought was best to support its highly flawed QB. Promote his underqualified college buddy....

Didn't work.  QB brought everyone down around him. 

 

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The Foles RPO offense came out of nowhere that year and caught teams off guard. Nick made quick decisions whereas Hurts became indecisive this year (because defenses figured it out and gave him false reads). That team also had a dominant run game which was much more varied than what we had this year which mostly carried them. The offense scored a few points and then the run game grinded clock the rest of the game. We dont have that this year.

Hurts came in and stunk as a rookie, and stunk again as basically a rookie. They perfected it last year, and by now, year 4 of Hurts starting its stale and figured out. And...theyre stuck.

Theres no changing narrative. Theres only paying attention to actual events and not simplifying it without context. 

Obviously it wasnt stale for the couple of games Foles had to do it. Also, no one was talking about RPOs when Kelly was here. Ever. It was all about the read option back then. We first heard about RPOs as eagles fans with Foles and Doug. So its not been around quite as long as you were hoping to imply. 

 

Zone read, read option, etc. it's all the QB making decisions whether to keep the ball, handoff or pass. It's evolved and the terms have changed, but my point is you hate on Hurts needing the offense changed to suit him, but that's exactly what they did with Foles because he was struggling. Fans didn't believe in Foles when Wentz got hurt.  He wasn't playing well, and they barely beat Atlanta that year.  No one said they had to give Foles "the kids menu" back then.  You don't like Hurts, that's fine.  But they adapted the offense for Foles' strengths and won.  Any coach should adapt their offense for the QB on the roster.  If your starter gets hurt and you bring in the backup, you run plays to their strengths as well.

I think the issue is the coaching and their playbook is vanilla and bland.  Everyone in the world is roasting the bad coaching tonight.  Other teams know exactly what plays they are running.  Hurts takes blame too.

 

 

 

Hoping to wake up to coaching news, but it may not even happen on Tuesday. They’ll probably meet with Sirianni first. Either way I’m dead tired and so glad this exhausting season is over. If they do make the change and make a good hire I’m actually pretty optimistic about next season. This team typically turns things around fast, they have a lot of picks, a good core. And I think the job would be pretty attractive all things considered. Lots of good coaches out there too. Not making the change though would kill any excitement next season for me right from the jump. Don’t care who they bring in as a coordinator.

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

He was trained in a scheme most recently that was more or less ineffective without really accurate small adjustments, I think. 

I remember watching the Chargers a few years ago, and they were never able to run the clock out.  They were throwing with a lead and 2 minutes left,  and losing.   Both Siri and Shane came from the Chargers.   The prototype QB for the Siri and Shane system was Philip Rivers.  They were both Chargers coaches at the same time, with Philip Rivers as the QB.  Siri went to the Colts and so did Philip Rivers.  Jalen Hurts is not Philip Rivers.  Siri and Shane do not have a background in running QBs.   I wonder if Siri and Shane were hired to be the coach for Hurts,  or Wentz?  Despite all that,  Siri and Shane took the Eagles to the Super Bowl - a higher level than either one had been before - in 2 years.  I think we can assume Shane did some things that Brian Johnson isn't doing,  while working within the context of the system Siri and Shane were developing over the first 2 years.  Brian Johnson does have the experience in college with running QBs.  He was one.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Zone read, read option, etc. it's all the QB making decisions whether to keep the ball, handoff or pass. It's evolved and the terms have changed, but my point is you hate on Hurts needing the offense changed to suit him, but that's exactly what they did with Foles because he was struggling. Fans didn't believe in Foles when Wentz got hurt.  He wasn't playing well, and they barely beat Atlanta that year.  No one said they had to give Foles "the kids menu" back then.  You don't like Hurts, that's fine.  But they adapted the offense for Foles' strengths and won.  Any coach should adapt their offense for the QB on the roster.  If your starter gets hurt and you bring in the backup, you run plays to their strengths as well.

I think the issue is the coaching and their playbook is vanilla and bland.  Everyone in the world is roasting the bad coaching tonight.  Other teams know exactly what plays they are running.  Hurts takes blame too.

 

 

 

Your first sentence made me ignore the rest of the post.  They're different concepts and if you're starting out with that the whole thing is dishonest.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Hoping to wake up to coaching news, but it may not even happen on Tuesday. They’ll probably meet with Sirianni first. Either way I’m dead tired and so glad this exhausting season is over. If they do make the change and make a good hire I’m actually pretty optimistic about next season. This team typically turns things around fast, they have a lot of picks, a good core. And I think the job would be pretty attractive all things considered. Lots of good coaches out there too. Not making the change though would kill any excitement next season for me right from the jump. Don’t care who they bring in as a coordinator.

It's gonna be similar to Doug's, I think. They will meet and Lurie will expect a clear plan for how to proceed. If he likes it, Sirianni gets a shot. If not, he's out.

If Sirianni behind closed doors is anything like his public face, he'll be fired soon after.

14 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Hurts was an MVP candidate a year ago and bro is saying Hurts is the problem with the offense. Not the playcalling that refuses to run, who throws as many WR screens than rushing attempts, and runs 8 different play schemes per game for an entire season lol. 

Nick didn't make Hurts slide in bounds at the 5 a few weeks ago. His situational awareness sucks.

8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Zone read, read option, etc. it's all the QB making decisions whether to keep the ball, handoff or pass. It's evolved and the terms have changed, but my point is you hate on Hurts needing the offense changed to suit him, but that's exactly what they did with Foles because he was struggling. Fans didn't believe in Foles when Wentz got hurt.  He wasn't playing well, and they barely beat Atlanta that year.  No one said they had to give Foles "the kids menu" back then.  You don't like Hurts, that's fine.  But they adapted the offense for Foles' strengths and won.  Any coach should adapt their offense for the QB on the roster.  If your starter gets hurt and you bring in the backup, you run plays to their strengths as well.

I think the issue is the coaching and their playbook is vanilla and bland.  Everyone in the world is roasting the bad coaching tonight.  Other teams know exactly what plays they are running.  Hurts takes blame too.

 

 

 

Ok I read it because what else is there to do at this time of night?

Actually I've always said that simplified the offense for the backup QB to succeed. That's what it was. Obviously...

In fact there was a story that Foles requested that. So that was a publicly reported thing and you are trying to paint the false narrative that no one ever said that. 

And that's what Hurts needs.  A simplified offense.  Now it's figured out. And what can you do to adjust when the QB handcuffs you so much?

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

It's gonna be similar to Doug's, I think. They will meet and Lurie will expect a clear plan for how to proceed. If he likes it, Sirianni gets a shot. If not, he's out.

If Sirianni behind closed doors is anything like his public face, he'll be fired soon after.

Guarantee Siri can't wait till those guys are fired.  He week be fully on board with the plan. 

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

It's gonna be similar to Doug's, I think. They will meet and Lurie will expect a clear plan for how to proceed. If he likes it, Sirianni gets a shot. If not, he's out.

If Sirianni behind closed doors is anything like his public face, he'll be fired soon after.

Lurie & Howie very much care about how the media, and general public, talk about the Eagles. It’s why Bob Lange (VP Comms) is so involved with press conferences where Sirianni has to look over at him for permission to discuss things. That stuff happens in PC planning but you don’t see PR people part of PCs elsewhere. 

The way the media and public figures DESTROYED this coaching staff in front of the entire nation, that will have consequences for Nick. He’s gone. They will hold off on firing BJ until he’s disqualified as a candidate elsewhere. Desai/Patricia are the first to go.

9 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

The truth is he lies somewhere in the middle. Next year should show whether long term he is closer to last year or this year. 

Yes if he wins a SB, nobody will give a crap, rightfully so. I don’t need Jeff Garcia, but I don’t want Bill Bellichick as the QB of my team either. You can have that lack of personality as a perennial winner and superb player here. But if you aren’t one as the leader of our most beloved franchise, you’ll wear your welcome out fast. 

Like I said before, he's "fiery" and passionate in the locker room, pre-game, hyped up with his teammates.  His mic'd up videos he's passionate and vocal.  See below.  Belichek won 6 Super Bowls but you don't want that as your QB huh?  Brady was an a-hole and unlikable and won SBs.  Reid is stoic in interviews and won 2 SBs.  Jordan was all business and not "passionate" the way you're describing and is the GOAT.

Leadership looks different for different people.  But Hurts does hype them up and get vocal in clips. Check out the mic'd up (NFL won't let it embed have to click to open it).

Players are coached on how to give press conferences and give coach/player speak.  Don't judge "leadership" by giving boring standard answers to the media to not give them anything to write about.

 

Other clips I could find:

 

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Your first sentence made me ignore the rest of the post.  They're different concepts and if you're starting out with that the whole thing is dishonest.

And you're just looking for reasons to ignore the larger point. I'm not an X's and O's expert.  The point is coaches adapt offenses to the players they have.  They did it for Foles and you loved it. They do it for Hurts and it's "a kid's menu."  Your bias and hate for Hurts has you blaming him all night and not the coaches.  The entire sports world is roasting the coaches tonight.

13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Nick didn't make Hurts slide in bounds at the 5 a few weeks ago. His situational awareness sucks.

Last season it was fantastic.. wonder what the difference is. Hurts didn’t start players in a meaningless game and injure the starting QB and lose their best WR and intense safety. He also doesn’t call WR screens with Smitty as a lead blocker and run shotgun every play to run the ball 4-5x a half. He doesn’t get the play in with 9 seconds left and get to the line with a rushed snap. He doesn’t miss tackles, he didn’t start James Bradbury, he didn’t play prevent defense 80% of the time lol. This staff has been the worst part of this team and it shows by the lack of consistency, continuity, and confidence this team has displayed all season.  He’s in fact the only reason we made it to the playoffs with a defense who was softer than wet cookies lol. 
 

He’s missed some reads and his mental clock on the pocket needs to be quicker and get rid of the ball to avoid sacks/hits. But the offense needs to be more creative, more efficient, and more diverse. We need to get a downhill running game, and push the ball downfield off of PA. It’s basic fundamentals of football that this team struggled with all season in both sidss, which I can’t blame Hurts. Sorry. From in-game calls, lack of adjustments on both sides, personnel decisions, and lack of identity I hold the coaches to the fire more than Hurts, that’s just me. 
 

From the beginning of the season Jalen said the team needs to find their identity. They never did; and it unraveled quickly. There were no adjustments anywhere that made those team better. I can’t blame the QB for that. Not after seeing him light it up in the SB, not after his last season. Besides the WRs and DL, he’s the least of my worries. 

14 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Zone read, read option, etc. it's all the QB making decisions whether to keep the ball, handoff or pass. It's evolved and the terms have changed, but my point is you hate on Hurts needing the offense changed to suit him, but that's exactly what they did with Foles because he was struggling. Fans didn't believe in Foles when Wentz got hurt.  He wasn't playing well, and they barely beat Atlanta that year.  No one said they had to give Foles "the kids menu" back then.  You don't like Hurts, that's fine.  But they adapted the offense for Foles' strengths and won.  Any coach should adapt their offense for the QB on the roster.  If your starter gets hurt and you bring in the backup, you run plays to their strengths as well.

I think the issue is the coaching and their playbook is vanilla and bland.  Everyone in the world is roasting the bad coaching tonight.  Other teams know exactly what plays they are running.  Hurts takes blame too.

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ok I read it because what else is there to do at this time of night?

Actually I've always said that simplified the offense for the backup QB to succeed. That's what it was. Obviously...

In fact there was a story that Foles requested that. So that was a publicly reported thing and you are trying to paint the false narrative that no one ever said that. 

And that's what Hurts needs.  A simplified offense.  Now it's figured out. And what can you do to adjust when the QB handcuffs you so much?

 

"Sometimes the hardest things are just the simple things," Foles said, "like basically get out of your own head and go play the game you know how to play."

A centerpiece of that system is the run-pass option, or RPO, in which a pass option is built into a running play, allowing the quarterback to pull it depending on how the defensive player that he's reading reacts.

Added NFL Films executive producer Greg Cosell: "It's a great thing to run with Foles because you're trying not to expose his limitations. That's all one-read stuff, so it's really simple, low-risk throws."

 

Boom....

Tell me no one said the offense was simplified for nick. 

 

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

And you're just looking for reasons to ignore the larger point. I'm not an X's and O's expert.  The point is coaches adapt offenses to the players they have.  They did it for Foles and you loved it. They do it for Hurts and it's "a kid's menu."  Your bias and hate for Hurts has you blaming him all night and not the coaches.  The entire sports world is roasting the coaches tonight.

You are being very dishonest. 

Revisionist history on the Foles stuff. And even worse,  pretending like I haven't said a million times that Brian Johnson sucks. Yes I have blamed coaching. 

Not sirianni though. 

He's handcuffed by his QB.

The nepotism of the underqualified buddy buddy Johnson to OC promotion, a symptom of the limited, highly paid QB. 

It all stems from having an inadequate QB. But yes,  that coach is horrible too.

Hurts is a talented player, and he’s going to be here at least another two years whether we like it or not. So we need to fix the coaches around him because the coaches this year did not work.  

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

And you're just looking for reasons to ignore the larger point. I'm not an X's and O's expert.  The point is coaches adapt offenses to the players they have.  They did it for Foles and you loved it. They do it for Hurts and it's "a kid's menu."  Your bias and hate for Hurts has you blaming him all night and not the coaches.  The entire sports world is roasting the coaches tonight.

They needed to get Foles ready for a playoff run in 3 games...