2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

 

"Sometimes the hardest things are just the simple things," Foles said, "like basically get out of your own head and go play the game you know how to play."

A centerpiece of that system is the run-pass option, or RPO, in which a pass option is built into a running play, allowing the quarterback to pull it depending on how the defensive player that he's reading reacts.

Added NFL Films executive producer Greg Cosell: "It's a great thing to run with Foles because you're trying not to expose his limitations. That's all one-read stuff, so it's really simple, low-risk throws."

 

Boom....

Tell me no one said the offense was simplified for nick. 

 

You're wanting to argue semantics.  It's late, we've (well I have) been drinking.  This nitpicking is stupid.  Yeah the offense was simplified.  Coaches simplify defenses too, Schwartz did that.  My point was no one complained about it and made it a poor reflection on Foles.  You're calling it a "kid's menu" for Hurts as a negative.  No one roasted Foles back then, they loved the offense when it performed better because the coaches played to his strengths.  

Siri and BJ suck, their play design and calls suck.  They are not limited by a "kid's menu" QB, they suck.  Hurts regressed, as did other players. The team quit on these coaches.  It's obvious when the issue is only the QB and the coaching is good.  This coaching is awful.  Everyone knows it.  

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Hurts is a talented player, and he’s going to be here at least another two years whether we like it or not. So we need to fix the coaches around him because the coaches this year did not work.  

Right. Maybe get a defensive mindset that takes the ball away and confuses an offense so we don’t have to score 35 points a game to win. Maybe get a coach who believes in running the football consistently. Maybe a coach who won’t dress 4 running backs to hand it off 10x. Maybe a DC who wants his players to compete at the catch point and tighten passing windows not run away from receivers lol.
 

This team from week 1 had the same issues from week 19, teams (unlike us) just decided to watch film and exploit the opponent’s weakness, and it looked worse and worse because teams were able to execute the same thing week to week. 

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

You're wanting to argue semantics.  It's late, we've (well I have) been drinking.  This nitpicking is stupid.  Yeah the offense was simplified.  Coaches simplify defenses too, Schwartz did that.  My point was no one complained about it and made it a poor reflection on Foles.  You're calling it a "kid's menu" for Hurts as a negative.  No one roasted Foles back then, they loved the offense when it performed better because the coaches played to his strengths.  

Siri and BJ suck, their play design and calls suck.  They are not limited by a "kid's menu" QB, they suck.  Hurts regressed, as did other players. The team quit on these coaches.  It's obvious when the issue is only the QB and the coaching is good.  This coaching is awful.  Everyone knows it.  

There was nothing to complain about.  It worked.  It was utilized for a short time  (about 4 weeks?) while it was still very new to the league and it won us a super bowl. 

 

Very different circumstances from now over using it,  now 7 years later when the NFL had caught on.

 

Playing to Hurts' strengths now means the offense will be stale and suck. 

Pivot from that now you expose his weaknesses and the offense still sucks.

What are the realistic options Siri could have done to fix this horrible situation we find ourselves in with Hurts as the franchise QB?

 

4 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

They needed to get Foles ready for a playoff run in 3 games...

Right lol. RPOs can also be more than a slant to AJ or a flat to Goedert. 
 

Most of Hurts’ big passing plays last season had no RPO so I’m not sure why this is a thing. It was a staple, but his biggest boom plays had no RPO in them at all lol. We just failed on both sides, and both sides looked disjointed. I’d say that’s a coaching issue. Lack of energy, effort, connectivity, and common goal on offense and defense is a schematics issue. 

Hurts showed no ability to adapt.

Backpedaling and running hesitantly out of the pocket.

Sirianni, Johnson, and Desai/Patricia need to go.

But Hurts looks lost out there aside from three throws.

All teams have to do is blitz.

And disguise it.

Maybe a new coaching staff commits to a new scheme that emphasizes running to set up the pass.

But robot Hurts is a Bottom 10 QB unless he's willing to feel.

And adapt.

19 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Last season it was fantastic.. wonder what the difference is. Hurts didn’t start players in a meaningless game and injure the starting QB and lose their best WR and intense safety. He also doesn’t call WR screens with Smitty as a lead blocker and run shotgun every play to run the ball 4-5x a half. He doesn’t get the play in with 9 seconds left and get to the line with a rushed snap. He doesn’t miss tackles, he didn’t start James Bradbury, he didn’t play prevent defense 80% of the time lol. This staff has been the worst part of this team and it shows by the lack of consistency, continuity, and confidence this team has displayed all season.  He’s in fact the only reason we made it to the playoffs with a defense who was softer than wet cookies lol. 
 

He’s missed some reads and his mental clock on the pocket needs to be quicker and get rid of the ball to avoid sacks/hits. But the offense needs to be more creative, more efficient, and more diverse. We need to get a downhill running game, and push the ball downfield off of PA. It’s basic fundamentals of football that this team struggled with all season in both sidss, which I can’t blame Hurts. Sorry. From in-game calls, lack of adjustments on both sides, personnel decisions, and lack of identity I hold the coaches to the fire more than Hurts, that’s just me. 
 

From the beginning of the season Jalen said the team needs to find their identity. They never did; and it unraveled quickly. There were no adjustments anywhere that made those team better. I can’t blame the QB for that. Not after seeing him light it up in the SB, not after his last season. Besides the WRs and DL, he’s the least of my worries. 

Very sensible 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Love that Reddick's an Eagle, glad he's not in the front office 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Gross

Reddick was consistently irrelevant tonight.

Blocked 10 yards upfield into oblivion or useless in coverage.

I generally don't do long posts but these are what I think the problems were, in order.

1) Coaching. All of them besides Clay and Stout were nothing short of coathanger abortions this season and should be ejected into the sun. But within coaching, here are those problems in order:

      1a-Brian Johnson: has one of the most talented offenses in football and can't do anything with them

      1b-Sirianni: dude did nothing but talk all season. "Not up to our standard" "we'll work on this that the other". This team got exponentially worse over the course of the season and that falls on him. He had to have seen Johnsons failures, why not take playcalling duties? Probably because he isn't capable either. The DC panic switch. I personally didn't mind it because I Fing hated Desai, but the timing was horrible. Why wait so long? Should've either done it at the bye or not done it at all.

     1c-Desai/Patricia: They both sucked, but to be fair they were given a bunch of 30+ year old slow defensive backs, no linebackers, and no d line depth. They still need to go. Desai had zero creativity, and yet another DC that played corners 8 yards off on 3rd and 2.

2) Howie. Dude had an absolutely atrocious free agency period and his trades were gsrbage. Brought back bradberry over CJ, gave slay an extension, grabbed a bunch of dudes off the trash heap to play LB and S. Really set the defense up for failure. Signed Penny so the coaches could scratch him all year. Albert O never played, byard is washed, Leonard is washed. Awful job by him.

3) Hurts. Regression was expected. What we saw was unacceptable. Constantly bailing from clean pockets and running into sacks. Locking on to his receivers. The constant fumbling, idiotic interceptions. An absolutely atrocious year, I don't care what numbers anyone brings up. He got his $50mil a year, and played like a $10 mil a year QB. Does not elevate anybody, can't beat a blitz. We're so Fed if a new coordinator doesn't fix this dude.

 

Those were the three biggest issues in my opinion.

 An added complaint for me is I Fing hate Darius slay now. Get that clown off the team, his numbers look great because why throw at him eith a 68% success rate when you have a guaranteed completion throwing literally anywhere else? He's a me-first (really me-only) dude and hearing him talk about being away from the Linc as a good thing was the most embarrassing, soft ish I've seen from a Philly athlete in a long time. F him

 

As expected. 50/50 on Sirianni now. So glad I didn’t bother to stay up all night for that crap. 

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

A simplified offense.  Now it's figured out. And what can you do to adjust when the QB handcuffs you so much?

More running, an extra blocker, more QB running, a simplified offense that's different than the one they have.

Having a WR3 who is primarily a decoy seems to be something to remove.

I've been typing much about all the different things that could be done with versatile freakbeasts.   Covey was a undefeated 2x state champ running QB in hs.   Have him in the backfield,  go into motion,  get under center.  take the snap.  run inside,  run outside, pitch back to Hurts,  standing like normal,  pitch outside to big and fast new rb.  

Covey might be far far worse than Hurts at overall quarterbacking, but, it's possible that the ball could get to the outside runner faster if Covey is doing it from under center.   He might have a quick release.  72% completion in high school.  Not tall enough to play QB,   but he did do QB stuff well.  Add that instead of decoy runs downfield.   He can also do decoy runs downfield   VanSumeren has a Michigan state record for catches in a season, he was a wr in highschool, plus qb plus rb.  then a fullback at U Michigan.    Put him on the field to do more than just decoy runs downfield.    And many others can do many things.   Just naming 2.    

What about throwing to Jalen?   Like Philly Special.   When other teams do it,  they call it Philly Special,  the Eagles have a qb with the size and speed of a running back,  they could be throwing passes to him.  Gainwell was a hs qb.   The Eagles have the players to be extremely innovative and it seems like they wanted to be the opposite of that.  

Like it or not, 2024 is going to tell us a lot about which Jalen hurts we are likely going to get for the foreseeable future. we’re gonna have a new coaches whether it’s a head coach and entirely new staff or just an entirely new staff with the same head coach. But we’re gonna see whether 2022 is who hurts is or if that is the outlier in his career. Because if he plays more like 2021 and 2023 hurts in 2024, then it starts looking like the three years surrounding 2022 is more of the norm and 2022 is the outlier. Similar to wentz with his 2017 and the years surrounding it.

to me 2024 is going to determine a lot about the future of the eagles. It’ll be super concerning if in 2024, Jalen looks more like 2023 and 2021 Jalen hurts. That’s not good enough to win you a Super Bowl. It is good enough to win games and maybe get you to a playoff game. If he plays like 2022 Jalen hurts with better coaching then the Eagles are gonna be fine. Because if he plays like that, you’re going to be one of the top teams and able to win a Super Bowl. As eagles fans we really have to hope and trust new coaching gets him back to that 2022 level. If he and the coaches can’t then we are in trouble. 

Too wasted to compile meaningful paragraphs.

Do better in 2024.

Or the Gingers will get you 

 

I want all these coaches gone but also F the players for quitting on them, on us. Disgusting all around and will leave a very bad taste in my mouth for a while. They straight up had no intention of winning this game. Or any game recently. I can’t watch or be invested in a football team that just quits like that. I can’t watch this brand of football ever again.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

It's a conspiracy.

There were robots out there.

10 unblocked pressures is absolutely ridiculous. I said this to my dad when we were watching it, it felt like the coaches wanted to get themselves fired with just being either stubborn to adapt or too stupid to understand how to beat a blitz. Like it shouldn’t be this hard to figure out to not keep calling empty sets, and have enough guys in to block to have any chance at success on the play and don’t send every receiver 10+ yards on their route. Like this is basic Fing high school coaching and our coaches for 18 weeks couldn’t figure out how to scheme against a blitz.  

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

I want all these coaches gone but also F the players for quitting on them, on us. Disgusting all around and will leave a very bad taste in my mouth for a while. They straight up had no intention of winning this game. Or any game recently. I can’t watch or be invested in a football team that just quits like that. I can’t watch this brand of football ever again.

I'm looking into tennis.

God help us all.

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I want all these coaches gone but also F the players for quitting on them, on us. Disgusting all around and will leave a very bad taste in my mouth for a while. They straight up had no intention of winning this game. Or any game recently. I can’t watch or be invested in a football team that just quits like that. I can’t watch this brand of football ever again.

I’d argue they didn’t quit until that last Giants game. They didn’t hold up defensively at the end of the Seattle game and the offense was lousy but I don’t think they quit. The Cardinals game they didn’t quit. The defense just sucks.

But that last Giants game they definitely quit. When I went back and watched the first quarter of that Giants game, you could see that guys were out there just going through the motion. It was half assing it.  I think losing to the Cardinals they saw that they weren’t going to get this thing back on track. And they knew they were dead in the water. And they gave up. And you saw it in this game early that they were done. Half assed attempt at tackling and guys point fingers at each other. they had awful body language from the start of this game. Like they only were out there because the NFL was making them be there.

people are going to disagree with me, but I genuinely think there’s a chance the Eagles don’t make the playoffs next year. That this type of collapse is more than just changing the coaches and it’s fix. It feels like there is something completely rotten in that locker room. Maybe the new coaches they do come out and make the playoffs and they look like a contender but I have a feeling the residual effects of what we just saw over the last seven weeks is not something that just washes away with new coaches. To give up the way they did when you have a chance to compete for a Super Bowl especially when a guy like Jason Kelce is likely playing his last game and who has given everything to this organization, and that’s the type of effort that you came out with  tells me there’s something seriously wrong in that locker room beyond just coaching. 

 

Yeah they never should’ve demoted desai in week 15. Defense still wouldn’t have been good enough. But i do think players saw it and had a poor response and you got what was coming to you for doing it.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue they didn’t quit until that last Giants game. They didn’t hold up defensively at the end of the Seattle game and the offense was lousy but I don’t think they quit. The Cardinals game they didn’t quit. The defense just sucks.

But that last Giants game they definitely quit. When I went back and watched the first quarter of that Giants game, you could see that guys were out there just going through the motion. It was half assing it.  I think losing to the Cardinals they saw that they weren’t going to get this thing back on track. And they knew they were dead in the water. And they gave up. And you saw it in this game early that they were done. Half assed attempt at tackling and guys point fingers at each other. they had awful body language from the start of this game. Like they only were out there because the NFL was making them be there.

people are going to disagree with me, but I genuinely think there’s a chance the Eagles don’t make the playoffs next year. That this type of collapse is more than just changing the coaches and it’s fix. It feels like there is something completely rotten in that locker room. Maybe the new coaches they do come out and make the playoffs and they look like a contender but I have a feeling the residual effects of what we just saw over the last seven weeks is not something that just washes away with new coaches. To give up the way they did when you have a chance to compete for a Super Bowl especially when a guy like Jason Kelce is likely playing his last game and who has given everything to this organization, and that’s the type of effort that you came out with  tells me there’s something seriously wrong in that locker room beyond just coaching. 

 

This team busted a nut against Buffalo.

Then smelled their own farts.

Got off on their own aroma.

But the thrill is gone.

Change is a coming.

Kelce deserved more than crop dust.

I'm a masochist watching the replay on NFL Network.

Down 0-3, wtf was that on the first drive on 3rd down?

They were making fun of the Eagles all across the board.

BJ and Siri deserve to be waterboarded.

I don't know why everybody is upset.  They are just playing possum.  For their 2024 opponents.

Eagles were 0-11 on 3rd and 4th down.