Just now, McMVP said:

That…and every QB seems to have a great statistical game against us anyway.  

Mahomes didn't, and he's pretty good.

Just now, just relax said:

Mahomes didn't, and he's pretty good.

True…but they also had a lot of drops

2 minutes ago, just relax said:

Take another look at the play and look at how the safeties reacted to the motion.

I did, it's because nthey are covering in MAN, because of the zero coverage. This was not a WR screen RPO. Had zero to do with the 5 failed WR screens

15 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Sorry thats blatently false about Hurts 12 yard TD. They didn't call ZERO blitz coverage because of the 5 failed WR screen plays. They called that because they were trying to get to Hurts, the same reason we did Zero Blitz on the Bills last play. And ZERO is why the lane was open for him to run, they went man across the board with zero safeties. That had ZERO to do with the 5 prior failed WR screens. 

 

I get taking a deep shot once or twice to set up plays underneath, I get using a play once and a while to set up another play. BUt YOU DONT CALL THE SAME failed play 5 times to set up one good play. That a losing propositiion. It defies logic. 

 

SO we agree to disagree. 

I get where you're coming from, but you're also trying to have it both ways here when you say they should stop calling screens while at the same time failing to acknowledge that the pre-snap motion on the game-winning play showed screen, forcing BUF to tip their hand and overcommit, which Hurts then took advantage of with the option draw. As I said earlier, some coaches will live and die by the screen. You win some, you lose some. In this case though, it worked to our advantage perfectly despite having a few failed screens earlier in the game. McDermott is an aggressive play caller who likes to blitz a lot (no surprise there given his tutelage under JJ) so to slow that down a bit, you gotta counter that with screens and draws. Same point I just made earlier about zero blitzing right into a screen / draw option is one of the last things you want to do and proved fatal for Buffalo.

I also think screens are just as much about personnel as they are about scheme and situation. Would much rather see them try to get the ball in the hands of Brown or Swift instead of Smith or OZ. Not trying to take anything away from the latter, it's just that the former are clearly better after the catch.

https://x.com/voiceofthestar/status/1729510310975853028?s=46&t=ZAGl3EVTEAr4WfslzLAqkA

3 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

That's great and all but the last few games, we've only been ahead for like 5 minutes of the second half.

And that’s the problem. I don’t think the eagles want to play consistently from behind in this game and expect the same outcome they’ve gotten. If you turn it over 2-3 times and find yourself in a 2 scores you are dealing with a team that’s plays well with the lead and are frontrunners. I think it is also harder with their pass rush if they know they can pin their ears back 

8 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, per usual you know more football than I do. 

Not saying that, but I've never seen a draft where EVERYONE was in alignment on every player.  So, to make the statement that all of the EMB was up in arms over a pick is just unnecessarily hyperbolic.  While others were hanging their heads, I was very happy.   But, I have also been wrong plenty.   I didn't want Davonta Smith in Round 1 because I had fears that he'd end up like Todd Pinkston and he was just going to be too frail.    Missed on that one big time.   But, on the flip side, I was all in on Justin Jefferson.

Sadly, I was also very happy when we drafted Nate Allen in the 2nd round the same year we took Graham.   Massive whiff by me there too.

23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  We 'all' didn't.  He was my guy that year.   I would have been happy with him or Earl Thomas.  Graham started slow, but unlike JPP whom a ton of people went gaga over due to his gymnastics routine.   BG proved at UM that he could be a run stuffer as well as a pass rusher.  And that was more valuable to me than a straight pass rusher (aka, JPP).

Ha I do remember the JPP hype. In some alternate reality the Eagles drafted him and he didn't make it past his first Independence Day in Philly :(

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I bet it wasn't a "threat" at all, it was @probably a lame mom joke that got under the dude's skin and he overreacted. Now to save face because he knows he's in trouble, he's reframing it as a "threat".

 

A Yo Momma joke can push buttons when it hits too close to home.  He is a big man.  Perhaps his Moms is too. 

When she sits around the house, I mean she literally sits around the house. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And that’s the problem. I don’t think the eagles want to play consistently from behind in this game and expect the same outcome they’ve gotten. If you turn it over 2-3 times and find yourself in a 2 scores you are dealing with a team that’s plays well with the lead and are frontrunners. I think it is also harder with their pass rush if they know they can pin their ears back 

Very true…they can’t keep going to the same well.  It probably would run dry vs a team like SF.  Flip the script and force Purdy to prove what Hurts has done.  

7 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

 

Fixed the Elon bug  

16 minutes ago, just relax said:

Now that the All-22 is out, I'm revisiting our first offensive snap.

Kelce takes a step to his right. Note that he started on the hash marks and both feet are now to the right of the hash. This is the slide right. Jurgens, however, is looking inside. You can see that a large gap has opened between him and Driscoll, which Floyd attacks.

 

Jurgens tries to get back, but he's late. This is what I characterized earlier as Oops.

And Floyd gets through. Hurts will scramble and throw it away.

 

Just to reiterate, Driscoll is not entirely at fault here. This is a lapse in communication. This is the first time Jurgens and Driscoll have worked together this year, I believe. Stuff happens. FWIW, it never happened again in this game.

Not sure I'd call it an 'Oops'.   The DT is lined up outside of Jurgens, so he can't just pass him off immediately, he has to ride him into Kelce.

Looked like they wanted to test Driscoll early in a one on one by aligning to the offensive right side and then having the DTs both attack to the offensive left side.   And they got Driscoll isolated on this play and it appears as though he might have over set wide and left the inside gap wide open.  Looks as though his initial drop step went too wide rather than back and that opened up the inside and he was beaten clean.  That's not surprising to me as I'm sure he was really worried about a speed rush beating him.   He was matched up against Leonard Floyd, who at least to me, is much more of an 'edge' rusher than a guy who is going to be rushing the inside shoulder.

He belongs. Hopefully, the voters do the right thing.

 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not saying that, but I've never seen a draft where EVERYONE was in alignment on every player.  So, to make the statement that all of the EMB was up in arms over a pick is just unnecessarily hyperbolic.  While others were hanging their heads, and was very happy.   But, I have also been wrong plenty.   I didn't want Davonta Smith in Round 1 because I had fears that he'd end up like Todd Pinkston and he was just going to be too frail.    Missed on that one big time.   But, on the flip side, I was all in on Justin Jefferson.

Sadly, I was also very happy when we drafted Nate Allen in the 2nd round the same year we took Graham.   Massive whiff by me there too.

While it's been a minute, I remember the board being split like you suggested after the draft, but over the next five years it REALLY shifted to "We should have took Thomas".  BG didn't become a starter until year 6 (full time year 7) while Thomas ripped off 6 straight pro bowls.  After that, Thomas started getting injured and missing games year after year while BG became entrenched as the starter.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

While it's been a minute, I remember the board being split like you suggested, but over the next five years it REALLY shifted to "We should have took Thomas".  BG didn't become a starter until year 6 (full time year 7) while Thomas ripped off 6 straight pro bowls.  After that, Thomas started getting injured and missing games year after year while BG became entrenched as the starter.

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2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They should.   The fan stayed where the fan was supposed to be.  They are the ones that came over to him, which escalated the situation, and the player, not the fan, is the one who made it physical.   There are security there, let them deal with it.  Talk to security, don't engage the fan.  

Speaking of fans and security...there was an uncomfortable situation in our row at the Dolphins game. There was a Dolphins fan about four seats from me who was really annoying. Talking crap with Eagles fans in front of him. Security eventually came over and calmed the situation. (This was right about the time Slay had the interception.) About ten minutes later -- after everything had quieted down -- the higher level security boss guy came over and forced the Miami fan to leave. But the thing was, the fan, while obnoxious and a fan of the visiting team, did nothing wrong. He wasn't falling down drunk. He didn't "fight" anyone. All he did was talk in support of his team.

Just a power hungry security guy looking to exert his authority unnecessarily. I even told the fan as he was leaving that I would "testify on his behalf" if he ever makes a complaint.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

While it's been a minute, I remember the board being split like you suggested, but over the next five years it REALLY shifted to "We should have took Thomas".  BG didn't become a starter until year 6 (full time year 7) while Thomas ripped off 6 straight pro bowls.  After that, Thomas started getting injured and missing games year after year while BG became entrenched as the starter.

Yep.    The argument was that better than BG and Nate Allen would have been Earl Thomas and Carlos Dunlap.

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not saying that, but I've never seen a draft where EVERYONE was in alignment on every player.  So, to make the statement that all of the EMB was up in arms over a pick is just unnecessarily hyperbolic.  While others were hanging their heads, and was very happy.   But, I have also been wrong plenty.   I didn't want Davonta Smith in Round 1 because I had fears that he'd end up like Todd Pinkston and he was just going to be too frail.    Missed on that one big time.   But, on the flip side, I was all in on Justin Jefferson.

Sadly, I was also very happy when we drafted Nate Allen in the 2nd round the same year we took Graham.   Massive whiff by me there too.

No I meant it genuinely 

I didn't want JPP or Earl Thomas over Brandon Graham

 

 

 

 

 

(I wanted Eric Berry)

Who else remembers how stupid the Eagles were for not picking A.J. Epenesa when they had the chance and reached for a player they could have gotten in the fifth round? That common refrain lasted for a good while.

 

4 hours ago, just relax said:

Take another look at the play and look at how the safeties reacted to the motion.

I agree with ipiggles in that it was indeed a zero blitz with both LBs coming. I also agree with you that their defensive play call, combined with Swift's pre-snap motion, forced the Bills to overcommit (I don't see the coverage bust angle that others are seeing.) Though I don't see both safeties reacting to the motion as you mentioned, only Hyde alone, and I'll explain why.

In the first screenshot, it seems he's assigned to Swift with the other safety on OZ, and the NCB on Stoll.

As Swift motions, rather than tip their hand even further by having Hyde travel with him, the LB motions for the NCB to switch off of Stoll and take Swift instead. This means Hyde is now responsible for Stoll instead of Swift, with everyone else maintaining their initial assignments. I think it was Romo that said the play was designed to have the NCB blitz from the slot originally but on a second look, I don't think that's the case (would've been awfully late for that type of adjustment but not entirely implausible I suppose.)

So the reason why Hurts has tons of space on the backside is precisely because we caught McDermott with his hand in the cookie jar and BJ called the perfect counter to a zero blitz. Reminder: On a zero, nobody has eyes on the QB, let alone is assigned to him, and it's a testement to Hyde's awareness that he even got as close as he did to Hurts because he sniffed out the screen action pre-snap and kinda half-commited to Stoll (incidentally, if it's a quick out to Stoll instead of a screen with the same pre-snap motion, then it's an easy pitch and catch for at least 5 yards because Hyde is caught in no-man's land being so far away from him.)

28 minutes ago, paco said:

Fixed the Elon bug  

There's some other report that Shaq won't sign today. Wants to meet with us first before making decision, but I didn't trust the source enough to post it. Hopefully there will be more updates today confirming that it's true. 

I am going to take a bit of a leap here and I might get blasted by you guys but I can take it. Here is my take regarding the offense and the play calling, only because it seems to be a bit of a contentious subject amongst the community here...especially during games. Some of what I am going to say is common knowledge especially for anyone who played the game, especially in an option based offense.

From the outside looking in  (I do not know the team nearly as well as you guys week in week out) it seems to me that the offense (compared to many other NFL offenses) is somewhat simplified intentionally. The RPO's that are used (base offense) are multi-faceted and can create many, many possibilities as they are designed to do. They change slightly weekly based on defensive tendencies/strengths/weaknesses/alignments of the opponent. Additional options, slight formation changes, etc. are likely added each week to the base offense as the season progresses to give different looks to opposing defenses.

I think because of this some may get frustrated with the offense's lack of diversity or creativeness. Don't confuse effectiveness with diversity.

I see it as a strength. You have a very talented QB who has always played in a spread option type of offense and has much more experience because of this, than his years in the NFL would indicate. The base RPO offense becomes very effective because of repetition and familiarity thus creating precision. It's not a big play offense (can be when needed based on what was set-up throughout the game) but it is extremely effective. 2-3 three yard plays and a tush push and you have a first down, repeat. Additionally because of the success in the base offense and the slight nuances they incorporate weekly, they develop a very cohesive unit (execution wise) on the Oline, for example the winning play against the Bills. Mailata (sp) lets a rusher go because he knows from previous repetition that Kelce will pick him up and and he can take the edge rusher inside, no one is there to contain Hurts because they blitzed (ineffectively) getting upfield immediately on the outside left. That is out of their base offense set if am not mistaken. So you have consistency, cohesion, and effectiveness.

As far as the passing game goes, yeh, the wr screens get redudndant, but that is the spread offense's staple...spread'em out, run at'em, when they cheat in to stop the edge running throw the bubble, tunnel screens. when they cheat up on the screens, hit'em deep or on crosses.

Option based offenses aren't always pretty, but when the right reads are made they are very difficult to stop, especially when you have a QB that can run and pass like Hurts. Keep it simple and the rate of success increases dramatically. It's not flashy but effective.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So I keep hearing this narrative about Josh Allen and I’m not sure I understand it. So Romo kept saying (and it’s become a real narrative in the NFL) that Allen just needs to take what the defense gives him and not turn the ball over. Now firstly, of course you don’t want him to turn the ball over so that’s obvious. But surely his arm talent is what makes him potentially so dangerous? And if you take that away from him you just have a game manager?

It is about being patient and waiting for the chance to use that arm in a decent spot rather than continue to force things in very risky scenarios.