10 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Run the ball: 9 carries by our RBs is poor planning and worse play calling.  We have to be a ball control offense to protect the defense.  If teams can score at will, and they can, then we have to limit the amount of time their will pulverized us.

 

 

The RBs averaged 2.2 yards per attempt. 

3 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Failing to score TD's on the first 2 drives was just brutal. 

Not saying it would have changed the ultimate outcome, but being up 14-0 could have.

They may have still come back because the defense was completely helpless, but they are a different team when trailing by double digits.

Unreal that Hurts stood in a clean pocket for 6 seconds and then fell over like a fainting goat to kill a drive.

8 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

10-2

Be lucky to be 13-4 at seasons end.

Well that’s a better response than when we lost to the Jets. 13-4 would still be pretty good, especially coming off a 14-3 season. We’re one of a handful of teams with a chance, there’s that.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Unreal that Hurts stood in a clean pocket for 6 seconds and then fell over like a fainting goat to kill a drive.

Haha yeah same with the 15 yard slip sack. In a weird way both of those plays reminded me of the Super Bowl fumble.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The RBs averaged 2.2 yards per attempt. 

That was bad.

Also bad? Lack of north-south running when the opposing team keeps thinking Hurts will never pull it. I think we had 2 under center runs all game. Our first one was on 2nd and 10 in the red zone (yuck). 

4 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Jalens' legs are shot, he is always moving very slow. Next week Dallas will win and be in ahead of the Eagles to win the NFC East.

 

If this team makes the playoffs with such a pathetic secondary, it will 1 and exit in the Playoffs..

 

Next year Slay, Bradberry and even Lane Johnson needs to go, Lane is too old time to start thinking about the future......

Lane had a great game last night against some of the best pass rushers in the NFL.  Hurts had all day to throw the ball.  What are you taking about? 

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The pass protection was almost godly at times but I have no idea why our entire game plan was try to hit a 20+ yard pass.

The first drive they actually called a quick slant to Brown and it worked like a charm, had the defense off balance, moved the chains, got the offense moving and in a rhythm, and that was the last time they called it all game, it's like we consider it a point of pride not to dink and dunk.

So the rest of the game was Hurts stood for an age waiting for something to develop down field, the same thing that's looked stuttering all season, don't get me wrong it's OK to go for the bomb occasionally, but it can't be the staple of your offense.

They need to let Hurts run properly again, because last year's offense worked better because he was a threat to run. If he only does it as the very last of all last resorts and slides at the first sight of a defender, you're hobbling your offense and taking away what made him a great QB rather than just a very good one.

The defense has bigger problems, the last couple of games have seen Morrow turn into the pumpkin his stats at Chicago suggested he was and Elliss has demonstrated why he normally plays special teams rather than actual Linebacker. Both were godawful against a team who's offense is based on Purdy throwing short to players who then need bringing down quickly, instead we had the worst linebacker tandem in the NFL backed up by the worst tackling secondary in the NFL.

Our secondary coaching is a mystery to me, they can't cover, they can't ballhawk and they can't tackle, what do they do in training? Bradberry decided to show Deebo he was wrong to call him trash by disappearing from the game entirely and Slay continued his season of defending by diagnosing the play and getting to the receiver a second late on every single third down catch the 49ers had.

Blankenship has been the best player in our secondary all season, and based on the contracts of his teammates and their relative levels of pay he'll be expecting about $25million a year for his extension (this is a joke about how bad our secondary is per dollar spent, not a realistic guess at his actual demands).

I know you won't read all this, but I had to get it off my chest.

 

Agree with more pure Hurts running especially in the playoffs.

And I was not impressed by the ability, overall, of LBs and DBs to keep Deebo Samuel from scoring touchdowns.

I would like to see Ban VanSumeren at one of those ILB spots.   The Eagles could platoon there.   I would think he could be a run stopping ILB - compared to Morrow, who is more of a pass coverage ILB, 

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23189&p2=14663&pos=LB
vansumeren vs morrow as lb
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23189&p2=19319&pos=LB
vans vs elliss as lb

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23189&p2=21228&pos=WR
vans vs covey as wr
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23189&p2=14377&pos=WR
vans vs brown as wr
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23189&p2=21116&pos=TE
vans vs calcaterra as te
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23189&p2=20140&pos=RB
vans vs swift as rb

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The RBs averaged 2.2 yards per attempt. 

But they only got 9 attempts.    Keep at it.  Be consistent.  Hurts threw 45 times.  45-9.  Meanwhile 49ers were 27-25.  We made it easy on them.  

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

That was bad.

Also bad? Lack of north-south running when the opposing team keeps thinking Hurts will never pull it. I think we had 2 under center runs all game. Our first one was on 2nd and 10 in the red zone (yuck). 

Swift had one run off tackle (can’t remember if it was Jet action or if he lined up at RB) where he gained two yards but it looked like it was going to be a big play. No idea how it didn’t pop. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Swift had one run off tackle (can’t remember if it was Jet action or if he lined up at RB) where he gained two yards but it looked like it was going to be a big play. No idea how it didn’t pop. 

He missed the first cut.  Was a huge hole.  Hesitated and the LB filled.  

10 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

He missed the first cut.  Was a huge hole.  Hesitated and the LB filled.  

Remember this play distinctly.

That was the knock against Swift in Detroit. Fans said he had sub par vision. 

If they beat Dallas next week, all is fine.  Lose to Dallas, and floodgates of doubt and scorn open up.

Big game.

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Because they don't know how good SF and Dallas will be when they make the schedule.

That's what the excuse will be, anyway

Then they are admitting incompetence.   There are obviously ebbs and flows from year to year, but they were the top 2 last year too.  So, either incompetent or indifferent.   I think indifferent is the actual answer.   They aren't looking for 'fair' schedules, they are looking for maximum eyeballs, especially in those big matchup games.  

4 hours ago, Jeep_man said:

Jalens' legs are shot, he is always moving very slow. Next week Dallas will win and be in ahead of the Eagles to win the NFC East.

 

If this team makes the playoffs with such a pathetic secondary, it will 1 and exit in the Playoffs..

 

Next year Slay, Bradberry and even Lane Johnson needs to go, Lane is too old time to start thinking about the future......

Jeez, what a post. Lane Sucks … got it👍 Let’s move on from the best RT in football, sound plan. 

40 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Unreal that Hurts stood in a clean pocket for 6 seconds and then fell over like a fainting goat to kill a drive.

Yes.   Repeatedly throughout the game he was unwilling to give up on a play and just throw the ball away.   Instead he held the ball too long and more often than not a negative play was the result.  

there will be games like this against better coached teams , our coordinators are learning on the job , with the talent on this team they are winning against mediocre teams. damn we just missed out on keeping fangio here (howie shouldn't have let that happen) IMO the team needs to hire frank as an consultant for the offense , he had bad talent on offense in carolina and the same at the end in indy , he still has veteran offensive talent that can't be any worse then the clown act that's been happening. 

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Swift had one run off tackle (can’t remember if it was Jet action or if he lined up at RB) where he gained two yards but it looked like it was going to be a big play. No idea how it didn’t pop. 

Team speed.   49ers close holes very fast.  

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If they beat Dallas next week, all is fine.  Lose to Dallas, and floodgates of doubt and scorn open up.

Big game.

And yet, even if they do, winning out gets them to 14-3 and locks up the 2 seed.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

And yet, even if they do, winning out gets them to 14-3 and locks up the 2 seed.

Yup. That's why the wins vs. KC & Buffalo were so massive. Margin for error.

Baltimore can also beat SF. The Rams will need to beat them too to make the playoffs.

Just now, Freshmilk said:

But they only got 9 attempts.    Keep at it.  Be consistent.  Hurts threw 45 times.  45-9.  Meanwhile 49ers were 27-25.  We made it easy on them.  

After the first two drives the Niners could do whatever they wanted offensively. That’s true balance. If we ran more, it would have been to set up third and long. 

The first drive we he second and 10 at the Niners’ 11: 3-yard run by Swift. 

Second drive: Only one run play, a 2-yarder by Scott on first and 10. The drive stalled after Hurts’ brain dead sack on 2nd and 6. 

Third drive: Swift has no gain on first and 10. We went three and out. 

Fourth drive: Six plays, no runs. Hurts sacked on first down for loss of 9 (I think that was another where he helped the ball for way too long and refused to break the pocket to throw it away). We convert on the screen to Smith on third and long. We then passed on the next three plays and punt. Maybe we sprinkle in a run on that series of downs?

Fifth drive: We ran on second down to run the clock to halftime.

Sixth drive: One running back carry, but we scored a TD after a couple of tush pushes. 

Seventh drive: Swift 2-yard run on first and 10. We went three and out after two more drop backs. 

The Niners then scored a touchdown to go up 35-13. The rout was on and the run game was meaningless at that point. 

I don’t see much to quibble with with the run-pass ratio. We were moving the ball decently in the air against a really good defense. 

I'm sick and tired of this team basically scrapping the bottom of the barrel, for what feels like decades, to fill out the LB position. If they had at minimum starting caliber players at that position this probably would be a top defense.

The secondary has issues as well but who knows how they're trying to compensate for the lack of quality in the middle of the feild. Its a bit of an exaggeration but they are almost better off without any LBers on the feild at all.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

After the first two drives the Niners could do whatever they wanted offensively. That’s true balance. If we ran more, it would have been to set up third and long. 

The first drive we he second and 10 at the Niners’ 11: 3-yard run by Swift. 

Second drive: Only one run play, a 2-yarder by Scott on first and 10. The drive stalled after Hurts’ brain dead sack on 2nd and 6. 

Third drive: Swift has no gain on first and 10. We went three and out. 

Fourth drive: Six plays, no runs. Hurts sacked on first down for loss of 9 (I think that was another where he helped the ball for way too long and refused to break the pocket to throw it away). We convert on the screen to Smith on third and long. We then passed on the next three plays and punt. Maybe we sprinkle in a run on that series of downs?

Fifth drive: We ran on second down to run the clock to halftime.

Sixth drive: One running back carry, but we scored a TD after a couple of tush pushes. 

Seventh drive: Swift 2-yard run on first and 10. We went three and out after two more drop backs. 

The Niners then scored a touchdown to go up 35-13. The rout was on and the run game was meaningless at that point. 

I don’t see much to quibble with with the run-pass ratio. We were moving the ball decently in the air against a really good defense. 

The big question I have in all this is how many times did the Eagles have a wide open WR?  Not many times were players 'schemed' open.  Would be nice to see that as a part of the offense much more.   Yes, we have a lot of talent (though without Goedert, the talent level takes a dip).  But, scheme should be able to create mismatches and open players from time to time.   Shanahan schemed his guys to be wide open constantly through out the game.   Part of that is that their back 7 is way better than ours.   The flip side is that their offensive scheme is also better than ours.  

We did play a critical game yesterday without Goedert, or as the 49er players would say, we played with just 10 guys out there. Had we had Goedert, I think our running game would have been more effective and our balance on offense a little better. Having Lane back was big, but having both Lane and Goedert back will be huge.

It’s amazing to me that Ricks only played 5 snaps. He really stood out in those limited reps. 

We’re gonna get boat raced in Dallas on Sunday.  Kiss the #1 seed goodbye