3 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

I'm sick and tired of this team basically scrapping the bottom of the barrel, for what feels like decades, to fill out the LB position. If they had at minimum starting caliber players at that position this probably would be a top defense.

The secondary has issues as well but who knows how they're trying to compensate for the lack of quality in the middle of the feild. Its a bit of an exaggeration but they are almost better off without any LBers on the feild at all.

They have put the same investment as some other teams that have better players than the Eagles do.   Mike McCoy was a 2nd round pick.  Barry Gardner 2nd round.  Stewart Bradley 3rd.  Hicks 3rd round.  Dean 3rd round.   The issue isn't so much the investment (specifically in draft picks), but in terms of scouting those players.   They've struggled to identify LBs in college who are going to flourish at the next level. 

Fred Warner, for example, was a 3rd round pick by the 49ers.  
Bobby Wagner was picked one spot after Mychal Kendricks.  

 

The issue is much less draft pick investment and almost 100% scouting.  This group can't find a LB to save their life.   They also struggled with WRs, so they traded for Brown.  Need to do that with ONE LB.  With how much nickel and dime gets played, just adding one stud LB can make a huge difference.  

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s amazing to me that Ricks only played 5 snaps. He really stood out in those limited reps. 

He did?   I saw him look completely lost on one of those snaps and pointed it out at the time.  What did he do in the other 4 that was so standout?  

Maybe nostalgia will make them draft Trotter Jr in this upcoming draft. Can't see a first round LB ever but maybe a second (lol)

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They have put the same investment as some other teams that have better players than the Eagles do.   Mike McCoy was a 2nd round pick.  Barry Gardner 2nd round.  Stewart Bradley 3rd.  Hicks 3rd round.  Dean 3rd round.   The issue isn't so much the investment (specifically in draft picks), but in terms of scouting those players.   They've struggled to identify LBs in college who are going to flourish at the next level. 

Fred Warner, for example, was a 3rd round pick by the 49ers.  
Bobby Wagner was picked one spot after Mychal Kendricks.  

 

The issue is much less draft pick investment and almost 100% scouting.  This group can't find a LB to save their life.   They also struggled with WRs, so they traded for Brown.  Need to do that with ONE LB.  With how much nickel and dime gets played, just adding one stud LB can make a huge difference.  

Bradley and Hicks were solid additions when they played but didn't stick because of injury issues. Seems like Dean is already trending that direction.

Let's be honest if your Dallas how do you not just let cooks and lamb run crosses in the middle of the field after seeing the middle of our defense exposed like that yesterday.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He did?   I saw him look completely lost on one of those snaps and pointed it out at the time.  What did he do in the other 4 that was so standout?  

Be bad. 

Very glad I went to the pub last night and caught up on the game this morning.

This team was never going to win all of the current slate of games; I don't think any team would, especially after a OT win last week (I did point out the emotions would catch up with them at some point).  The schedulers really did this team dirty though.  The Whiners looked like a team playing off of 10 days rest, whose coaches had 10 days to scheme, and absolutely made the most of that to their credit  We get that same thing again next week. 🖕

Some of the nonsense about Desai is a bit much...  They held the Whiners early but the O got stuck and they simply couldn't get ahead of the score.  Jalen needs to stop holding onto the ball and rolling right (again); you won't get away with that against better teams, and he didn't. A learning point and perhaps highlights the lack of hot routes in this O.  The Zebras were not great, but they never are, but I see X wasn't complaining about Eagles today...

A tough game to come on Sunday but losing like that will hopefully prove a level set to the team; you ain't all that and have won nothing big.  The team looked it was going through the motions again at times, so the pressure is on now.  As a coach, it would be a great opportunity to quietly get on the players.

As for the stuff with Dom.  Perhaps shouldn't have been there, but Greenlaw was an idiot for throwing a punch; let alone at a team official. 

4 minutes ago, tuffstuff07 said:

Let's be honest if your Dallas how do you not just let cooks and lamb run crosses in the middle of the field after seeing the middle of our defense exposed like that yesterday.

Because your Dallas and you don’t do smart things when it matters

3 minutes ago, tuffstuff07 said:

Let's be honest if your Dallas how do you not just let cooks and lamb run crosses in the middle of the field after seeing the middle of our defense exposed like that yesterday.

Honestly, take emotion out of it....the Dallas game doesn't really matter in regards to our playoff seeding.  Stay with me, Dallas wins and we are both 10-3....we have Seattle, Giants, Cardinals, Giants.  Dallas has Bills, Dolphins, Lions, Commanders.  If we don't have a better record after those 4 games each, then the Eagles don't deserve anything.  And I've made the argument that it is almost and I'd say almost better to have the #2 seed.  If it plays out the way I think, if you get the #2 seed, you'd still have two games at home (at least) and Dallas and the 49'ers would have to play in the Divisional Round.  

Panic was something I used to feel with this team BEFORE they finally won a Super Bowl.  Now, I'm able to be a lot more level-headed about things, relax and just enjoy this for what it is, entertainment.

If I was a Chiefs fan, I'd be more worried than I am about the Eagles.  Can't win them all and won't win them all, but do need to be better on Sunday

By far the dumbest thing from yesterday was putting hurts back in after he got injured when the game was clearly out of reach. What exactly were they trying to acheive there?

My guess would be Hurts was going in regardless; if he wasn't injured, he's playing type of thing

18 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

But they only got 9 attempts.    Keep at it.  Be consistent.  Hurts threw 45 times.  45-9.  Meanwhile 49ers were 27-25.  We made it easy on them.  

There's just something totally off and not right with the running game. One of the best things about his OL is their ability to line up and just wear down a defense and the Eagles refuse to let them get in any sort of run game rhythm. 

Not only did they only have 9 carries, 6 of them were in the 1st quarter. So the Eagles ran the ball THREE more times over the last 3 quarters of the game. 

A few things. First, not getting TDs on the first 2 drives decided the game. The game being 6-0 after the 1st quarter was a win for the 49ers. The Eagles were doing what they wanted on both sides of the ball. The Eagles were killing TOP and holding on to the ball. They had it for 13 minutes to the 49ers 2 minutes. They had the ball in the RZ twice...and came away with 6 points. That's how you lose a game. You let the other team hang around. You let them keep confidence and you let them have complete use of their playbook because 1 TD and they are in the lead.

The following 2 series put the nail in the coffin for the Eagles. The score was still 6-0 Eagles before these 2 consecutive drives at the end of the 1st/beginning of 2nd. 

1-10-PHI 33 (1:00) D.Swift right end to PHI 33 for no gain (T.Gipson).

2-10- J.Hurts pass short left to A.Brown to PHI 37 for 4 yards (J.Brown). 

-3-6-PHI 37 (15:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-J.Hurts, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 37 - No Play.

3-11-PHI 32 (15:00) (Shotgun) J.Hurts scrambles left end ran ob at PHI 36 for 4 yards (J.Hargrave; J.Brown).

4-7-PHI 36 (14:24) B.Mann punts 52 yards to SF 12, Center-R.Lovato. R.Bell to SF 15 for 3 yards (P.Johnson, B.VanSumeren)

 

49ers scored a TD so the score is now 7-6 and the Eagles need to respond. 

 

1-10-PHI 25 (7:10) (Shotgun) J.Hurts sacked at PHI 16 for -9 yards (J.Kinlaw).

2-19-PHI 16 (6:22) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete short left.

3-19-PHI 16 (6:18) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass short left to D.Smith to PHI 37 for 21 yards (D.Greenlaw; C.Ward). P8

1-10-PHI 37 (5:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Hurts pass short left to K.Gainwell pushed ob at PHI 39 for 2 yards (D.Greenlaw).

2-8-PHI 39 (5:03) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete deep right to Q.Watkins (A.Thomas) [R.Gregory].

3-8-PHI 39 (4:56) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete short left.

4-8-PHI 39 (4:47) B.Mann punts 51 yards to SF 10, Center-R.Lovato, out of bounds.

 

2 terrible drives that the Eagles needed points from and they came away empty. The abandoned the run game (not that they gave it a chance) and the route was on.

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s amazing to me that Ricks only played 5 snaps. He really stood out in those limited reps. 

He had the bullseye. He's also not a slot CB

 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There's just something totally off and not right with the running game. One of the best things about his OL is their ability to line up and just wear down a defense and the Eagles refuse to let them get in any sort of run game rhythm. 

Not only did they only have 9 carries, 6 of them were in the 1st quarter. So the Eagles ran the ball THREE more times over the last 3 quarters of the game. 

A few things. First, not getting TDs on the first 2 drives decided the game. The game being 6-0 after the 1st quarter was a win for the 49ers. The Eagles were doing what they wanted on both sides of the ball. The Eagles were killing TOP and holding on to the ball. They had it for 13 minutes to the 49ers 2 minutes. They had the ball in the RZ twice...and came away with 6 points. That's how you lose a game. You let the other team hang around. You let them keep confidence and you let them have complete use of their playbook because 1 TD and they are in the lead.

The following 2 series put the nail in the coffin for the Eagles. The score was still 6-0 Eagles before these 2 consecutive drives at the end of the 1st/beginning of 2nd. 

1-10-PHI 33 (1:00) D.Swift right end to PHI 33 for no gain (T.Gipson).

2-10- J.Hurts pass short left to A.Brown to PHI 37 for 4 yards (J.Brown). 

-3-6-PHI 37 (15:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-J.Hurts, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 37 - No Play.

3-11-PHI 32 (15:00) (Shotgun) J.Hurts scrambles left end ran ob at PHI 36 for 4 yards (J.Hargrave; J.Brown).

4-7-PHI 36 (14:24) B.Mann punts 52 yards to SF 12, Center-R.Lovato. R.Bell to SF 15 for 3 yards (P.Johnson, B.VanSumeren)

 

49ers scored a TD so the score is now 7-6 and the Eagles need to respond. 

 

1-10-PHI 25 (7:10) (Shotgun) J.Hurts sacked at PHI 16 for -9 yards (J.Kinlaw).

2-19-PHI 16 (6:22) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete short left.

3-19-PHI 16 (6:18) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass short left to D.Smith to PHI 37 for 21 yards (D.Greenlaw; C.Ward). P8

1-10-PHI 37 (5:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Hurts pass short left to K.Gainwell pushed ob at PHI 39 for 2 yards (D.Greenlaw).

2-8-PHI 39 (5:03) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete deep right to Q.Watkins (A.Thomas) [R.Gregory].

3-8-PHI 39 (4:56) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete short left.

4-8-PHI 39 (4:47) B.Mann punts 51 yards to SF 10, Center-R.Lovato, out of bounds.

 

2 terrible drives that the Eagles needed points from and they came away empty. The abandoned the run game (not that they gave it a chance) and the route was on.

I think the simple explanation is that the coaches believe the team is exactly what everyone has been saying about the Eagles... which is that they're good enough to beat any team in any way.

They have abandoned the idea that the Eagles have any one strength and that if an opposing defense has a weakness then Hurts can exploit it. But that's just not the case. It's a laziness in coaching and self-scout that started all the way back in the offseason.

Might as well start looking to the draft. The 1 seed is gone and there's zero chance this team wins a game in SF. Last year was their chance but MVP fumbled the game away. Need to rebuild/reload and try again in a few years.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Unreal that Hurts stood in a clean pocket for 6 seconds and then fell over like a fainting goat to kill a drive.

Post of the day  

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There's just something totally off and not right with the running game. One of the best things about his OL is their ability to line up and just wear down a defense and the Eagles refuse to let them get in any sort of run game rhythm. 

Not only did they only have 9 carries, 6 of them were in the 1st quarter. So the Eagles ran the ball THREE more times over the last 3 quarters of the game. 

A few things. First, not getting TDs on the first 2 drives decided the game. The game being 6-0 after the 1st quarter was a win for the 49ers. The Eagles were doing what they wanted on both sides of the ball. The Eagles were killing TOP and holding on to the ball. They had it for 13 minutes to the 49ers 2 minutes. They had the ball in the RZ twice...and came away with 6 points. That's how you lose a game. You let the other team hang around. You let them keep confidence and you let them have complete use of their playbook because 1 TD and they are in the lead.

The following 2 series put the nail in the coffin for the Eagles. The score was still 6-0 Eagles before these 2 consecutive drives at the end of the 1st/beginning of 2nd. 

1-10-PHI 33 (1:00) D.Swift right end to PHI 33 for no gain (T.Gipson).

2-10- J.Hurts pass short left to A.Brown to PHI 37 for 4 yards (J.Brown). 

-3-6-PHI 37 (15:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-J.Hurts, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 37 - No Play.

3-11-PHI 32 (15:00) (Shotgun) J.Hurts scrambles left end ran ob at PHI 36 for 4 yards (J.Hargrave; J.Brown).

4-7-PHI 36 (14:24) B.Mann punts 52 yards to SF 12, Center-R.Lovato. R.Bell to SF 15 for 3 yards (P.Johnson, B.VanSumeren)

 

49ers scored a TD so the score is now 7-6 and the Eagles need to respond. 

 

1-10-PHI 25 (7:10) (Shotgun) J.Hurts sacked at PHI 16 for -9 yards (J.Kinlaw).

2-19-PHI 16 (6:22) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete short left.

3-19-PHI 16 (6:18) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass short left to D.Smith to PHI 37 for 21 yards (D.Greenlaw; C.Ward). P8

1-10-PHI 37 (5:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Hurts pass short left to K.Gainwell pushed ob at PHI 39 for 2 yards (D.Greenlaw).

2-8-PHI 39 (5:03) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete deep right to Q.Watkins (A.Thomas) [R.Gregory].

3-8-PHI 39 (4:56) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete short left.

4-8-PHI 39 (4:47) B.Mann punts 51 yards to SF 10, Center-R.Lovato, out of bounds.

 

2 terrible drives that the Eagles needed points from and they came away empty. The abandoned the run game (not that they gave it a chance) and the route was on.

I said the same thing.

Eagles coming away with 2 FGs instead of TDs early I think deflated them a little. 

44 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

After the first two drives the Niners could do whatever they wanted offensively. That’s true balance. If we ran more, it would have been to set up third and long. 

The first drive we he second and 10 at the Niners’ 11: 3-yard run by Swift. 

Second drive: Only one run play, a 2-yarder by Scott on first and 10. The drive stalled after Hurts’ brain dead sack on 2nd and 6. 

Third drive: Swift has no gain on first and 10. We went three and out. 

Fourth drive: Six plays, no runs. Hurts sacked on first down for loss of 9 (I think that was another where he helped the ball for way too long and refused to break the pocket to throw it away). We convert on the screen to Smith on third and long. We then passed on the next three plays and punt. Maybe we sprinkle in a run on that series of downs?

Fifth drive: We ran on second down to run the clock to halftime.

Sixth drive: One running back carry, but we scored a TD after a couple of tush pushes. 

Seventh drive: Swift 2-yard run on first and 10. We went three and out after two more drop backs. 

The Niners then scored a touchdown to go up 35-13. The rout was on and the run game was meaningless at that point. 

I don’t see much to quibble with with the run-pass ratio. We were moving the ball decently in the air against a really good defense. 

I think if all we do is set Hurts up in the shotgun and throw all day it is a losing formula.  Also, once they figured out our passing game we had nothing to counter with.  We are supposed to have a top 3 offensive line that can control the line of scrimmage and beat defenses down.  Instead we make it as easy as possible on them.  Difference of opinion, of course.  We need the run to help the passing game.  Simple as that.  No running game hinders the passing game.

Wonder how long we have to wait today until we hear the news of Leonard picking the Cowboys over us.

54 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes.   Repeatedly throughout the game he was unwilling to give up on a play and just throw the ball away.   Instead he held the ball too long and more often than not a negative play was the result.  

Would help if our WR’s ran a scramble drill.  Hurts was really bad last night…but the play calling was even worse.

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think if all we do is set Hurts up in the shotgun and throw all day it is a losing formula.  Also, once they figured out our passing game we had nothing to counter with.  We are supposed to have a top 3 offensive line that can control the line of scrimmage and beat defenses down.  Instead we make it as easy as possible on them.  Difference of opinion, of course.  We need the run to help the passing game.  Simple as that.  No running game hinders the passing game.

We need to run effectively, not run just because. But this is the same argument I’ve had in the Blog for a decade after losses like this. 

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think if all we do is set Hurts up in the shotgun and throw all day it is a losing formula.  Also, once they figured out our passing game we had nothing to counter with.  We are supposed to have a top 3 offensive line that can control the line of scrimmage and beat defenses down.  Instead we make it as easy as possible on them.  Difference of opinion, of course.  We need the run to help the passing game.  Simple as that.  No running game hinders the passing game.

We could probably go pass heavy like that if our scheme was any good. They really needed the passing game to open up the run game since they were just keyed in on the run but instead we insisted on not having a quick/short passing game apparently. I don't think it was ever going to happen without Goedert but we didn't even really try.

20 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There's just something totally off and not right with the running game. One of the best things about his OL is their ability to line up and just wear down a defense and the Eagles refuse to let them get in any sort of run game rhythm. 

Not only did they only have 9 carries, 6 of them were in the 1st quarter. So the Eagles ran the ball THREE more times over the last 3 quarters of the game. 

A few things. First, not getting TDs on the first 2 drives decided the game. The game being 6-0 after the 1st quarter was a win for the 49ers. The Eagles were doing what they wanted on both sides of the ball. The Eagles were killing TOP and holding on to the ball. They had it for 13 minutes to the 49ers 2 minutes. They had the ball in the RZ twice...and came away with 6 points. That's how you lose a game. You let the other team hang around. You let them keep confidence and you let them have complete use of their playbook because 1 TD and they are in the lead.

The following 2 series put the nail in the coffin for the Eagles. The score was still 6-0 Eagles before these 2 consecutive drives at the end of the 1st/beginning of 2nd. 

1-10-PHI 33 (1:00) D.Swift right end to PHI 33 for no gain (T.Gipson).

2-10- J.Hurts pass short left to A.Brown to PHI 37 for 4 yards (J.Brown). 

-3-6-PHI 37 (15:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-J.Hurts, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 37 - No Play.

3-11-PHI 32 (15:00) (Shotgun) J.Hurts scrambles left end ran ob at PHI 36 for 4 yards (J.Hargrave; J.Brown).

4-7-PHI 36 (14:24) B.Mann punts 52 yards to SF 12, Center-R.Lovato. R.Bell to SF 15 for 3 yards (P.Johnson, B.VanSumeren)

 

49ers scored a TD so the score is now 7-6 and the Eagles need to respond. 

 

1-10-PHI 25 (7:10) (Shotgun) J.Hurts sacked at PHI 16 for -9 yards (J.Kinlaw).

2-19-PHI 16 (6:22) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete short left.

3-19-PHI 16 (6:18) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass short left to D.Smith to PHI 37 for 21 yards (D.Greenlaw; C.Ward). P8

1-10-PHI 37 (5:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) J.Hurts pass short left to K.Gainwell pushed ob at PHI 39 for 2 yards (D.Greenlaw).

2-8-PHI 39 (5:03) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete deep right to Q.Watkins (A.Thomas) [R.Gregory].

3-8-PHI 39 (4:56) (Shotgun) J.Hurts pass incomplete short left.

4-8-PHI 39 (4:47) B.Mann punts 51 yards to SF 10, Center-R.Lovato, out of bounds.

 

2 terrible drives that the Eagles needed points from and they came away empty. The abandoned the run game (not that they gave it a chance) and the route was on.

Yeah, it was demoralizing to watch.  Their dline gets up field so well and we didn't lay any physicality on them at all.  Didn't make them think. Didn't make them react.  3 runs in 3 qtrs!  Stout should threaten to quit if that happens again.  What's the point of a run game coordinator? (Hyperbole of course!)

So after taking a bit of time to reflect… I just can’t get away from how bad that was yesterday and how concerning it was too.