Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Could've, would've, should've but the results speak for themselves. The Niners scored on 6 straight possessions last night. We're a bad defense and getting worse. 

Dean and Cunningham coming back won't help either

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Could've, would've, should've but the results speak for themselves. The Niners scored on 6 straight possessions last night. We're a bad defense and getting worse. 

And STILL best record in the NFL. Offense needs to carry us to the promised land unfortunately. Defense is only good for a few stops a game with this unit.

26 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm old enough to remember when the blog consensus was that it was no big deal to let White and Edwards both walk because they were JAGs and would be easily replaced by Howie. Ditto for CJGJ and Epps. 

I brought this up in training camp and before the season started. First, I said the safety position is an issue. I like Blankenship, but we hadn’t seen if he could play 17 games in a season. There were gonna be ups and downs because he hadn’t played that many games to show that you can stay healthy or as the season goes on if he would play at the same level as he was early in the season as late in the season. The three guys play next to him that were all question marks. Edmunds was a jag. There’s a reason why the Steelers just let him walk away. Justin Evans did what he always does, got hurt. He’s been injured nonstop in the nfl so thinking he wouldn’t is just either being naive or stupid. And then when people go said  Brown’s just gonna automatically be good. He’s a third round rookie. If you’re gonna rely on a third round rookie and just assume he’s gonna be fine as a solution to the edmunds and Evans problem then you’re usually gonna get burned. That’s why they had to make the trade to get Kevin Byard.  I wanted to make a trade before the season. Because you could see it coming. I don’t think byard was the answer. Usually when I look at trades that seem lopsided, I ask myself the question why is that team giving them up for nothing? I think titans saw he has begun to decline and not worth the money. Hence why when they knew their season was basically over they took what they could.

as for linebacker, people got way too excited about Dean selection. There was a reason why he fell. I don’t think it was just the injury concern. I think there was a lot of scouts and teams that said he played at Georgia behind that defensive line that made his job easier and made him look a lot better. That might not be the case at the next level. Add the fact he can’t stay healthy at this level. Morrow is what he is. He is a backup that’s playing too many snaps. Cunnginham has been fine but he’s older and you shouldn’t be relying on him to play the amount of snaps he has at his age. Really we have done an awful job developing this position besides edwards since 2016. Dean so far looks like a bust and Taylor was completely useless. Everyone else was UDFA or late round picks or 3rd tier FA over the past couple years. Hard to build a unit up when you miss on your only higher draft picks and scraping the bottom of the barrel.

that said, the other two qualms I had going into the season was the 3rd wide receiver was gonna be an issue. Guess what? It’s an issue. We knew Quez wasn’t good enough. Oz was more of a four. Julio Jones we know is finished. You should have gone out and got yourself a more competent third wide receiver. we know Dallas Goedert doesn’t stay healthy for all 17 games. So when he’s out you really only have two reliable pass catchers makes it easier to Fing defend. The other quit relying on Avonte Maddox. The guys always gets hurt. And your solution to if maddox goes down was McPherson who had shown nothing since being drafted and he got hurt. Unfortunate he got hurt but he likely wasn’t the answer when maddox goes down cause he hadn’t shown much prior. 

I dunno, I think we need to have a Dom of the Year contest. 

 

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Could've, would've, should've but the results speak for themselves. The Niners scored a TD on 6 straight possessions last night. We're a bad defense and getting worse. 

That's why I said they need to start investing more heavily through the draft.  Free agent additions are always a grab bag.  Maddox shouldn't be here after 2024, nor should Slay or Bradberry; that's 3 starting CB positions needed and I don't see any starters among Jobe/Ricks/Ringo (not yet, anyway).  

15 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

How many times do you hear comments about "sticking with the run game" on the broadcasts of other games when it's a couple yards and a cloud of dust. Then all of a sudden a RB breaks a big run and then the run game starts open up. It happens with almost every team. Runs for short gains are the body shots of football.

It goes back to my previous comments about Hurts and BJ always letting the opposition defense dictate what the Eagles offense does. There's this unmovavable commitment to the offense believing if another team is showing a perceived weakness that the Eagles pre-snap read of it should always work.

I hate it. Sometimes YOU have to dictate terms to the defense. 

Inexcusable not to pound the middle over and over again.  It was the damn secret sauce on O.  Long boring drives limiting SF opportunities and letting our D rest and our O line dictate. 

F'in numbskulls for throwing so much. After you watch Jalen sack himself after 7 seconds, pretty sure an alien visiting from another planet would say "why don't you run the ball?"  

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Goodell and NFL set to come down hard eith punishment on Dom amd Eagles for what happened yesterday.  They will look to make am example out of the Eagles.  Wonder of they try to take some pf our draft picks.  Nothing would surprise me about Goodell's actions at this point.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/04/sports/nfl-could-punish-dom-disandro-eagles-after-49ers-brawl/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He didn't do exactly nothing though. He signed Morrow and Cunningham, signed Edmonds and Evans, drafted Brown, traded for Byard, etc. He threw some ish against the wall hoping that some would stick (not unlike what he did last season.) It's just that these guys collectively are worse than the guys that they're supposed to replace, coupled with a new DC that's floundering in the role with less than stellar personnel in the back 7. For as much flak as fans gave Gannon, he still had a top-5 (or even top-3?) defense at season's end, built on the foundation of the league's best pass defense. Now we're a bottom-3 pass defense and seemingly getting worse every week.

Not sure how much of it is scheme vs the aging factor.   There's a reason Roby was a street free agent to be added in season.   Equally, Slay is 32 and Bradberry is now 30.  These guys are past their prime.  As is Byard.  Blankenship is the only one with upside left.   And he is still learning the NFL, as he just passed playing in a season's worth of games in the last couple games.  He gets caught looking too long in the backfield from time to time... as evidenced by the first TD by the 9ers.

3 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Inexcusable not to pound the middle over and over again.  It was the damn secret sauce on O.  Long boring drives limiting SF opportunities and letting our D rest and our O line dictate. 

F'in numbskulls for throwing so much. After you watch Jalen sack himself after 7 seconds, pretty sure an alien visiting from another planet would say "why don't you run the ball?"  

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How far in the backfield was he when he took that first sack, too ... 15 yards or more?  No wonder he couldn't find an open WR; not only was he locked in on AJ Brown -- it was a 40 yard throw to get to him.  IN fairness, that was clearly illegal contact on the defense, but letting the ball go might have helped call it.  

This team has not played good football yet for 60 minutes.  The D has been horrible since the 1st week...the O hasnt been all that great either but by far better than the D.  I don't know what every body else is seeing.  I've said since week one this isn't last years team no where near as good.

5 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Inexcusable not to pound the middle over and over again.  It was the damn secret sauce on O.  Long boring drives limiting SF opportunities and letting our D rest and our O line dictate. 

F'in numbskulls for throwing so much. After you watch Jalen sack himself after 7 seconds, pretty sure an alien visiting from another planet would say "why don't you run the ball?"  

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I don't know if it qualifies as a "conspiracy theory", but I do think there is a sense of ego to it with the philosophy that Lurie and Roseman have built. They gave Hurts $250 million and they want him to be the one establishing dominance in games, not just handing the ball off 50% of the time. They've never really valued the running back position and don't want to give Swift leverage in negotiations, so they kneecap him with his stats. Especially on the goalline where Hurts gets 95% of his rushing TDs. This offense really could run through Swift if they wanted to, but then in their minds it wouldn't justify giving Hurts the money. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure how much of it is scheme vs the aging factor.   There's a reason Roby was a street free agent to be added in season.   Equally, Slay is 32 and Bradberry is now 30.  These guys are past their prime.  As is Byard.  Blankenship is the only one with upside left.   And he is still learning the NFL, as he just passed playing in a season's worth of games in the last couple games.  He gets caught looking too long in the backfield from time to time... as evidenced by the first TD by the 9ers.

Said the same thing last night. I don’t know if scheme works or doesn’t because we have a lack of talent on defense. Hard to win in this league when 3 guys are playing significant snaps that shouldn’t even be playing. Basically have to cover up for those 3 guys and are playing 8 on 11 because those 3 are not good. I’d love to know another defense playing at an extremely high level with 3 players of morrow, Roby and Ellis taking up large amounts of snaps. I’m guessing most of those defenses are right there with the eagles. Heck Schwartz got depants by the saints with a bunch of guys hurt and eventually got some back and found some young guys off the streets and eventually made them competent. Then again Schwartz has years of experience as a DC  

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don't know if it qualifies as a "conspiracy theory", but I do think there is a sense of ego to it with the philosophy that Lurie and Roseman have built. They gave Hurts $250 million and they want him to be the one establishing dominance in games, not just handing the ball off 50% of the time. They've never really valued the running back position and don't want to give Swift leverage in negotiations, so they kneecap him with his stats. Especially on the goalline where Hurts gets 95% of his rushing TDs. This offense really could run through Swift if they wanted to, but then in their minds it wouldn't justify giving Hurts the money. 

I don't understand how we went from such a dominating running game to below average the past few weeks. BJ is a fn idiot

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Goodell and NFL set to come down hard eith punishment on Dom amd Eagles for what happened yesterday.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/04/sports/nfl-could-punish-dom-disandro-eagles-after-49ers-brawl/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Really, who cares. If Dom is not on the sideline it doesn't change the game plan. Love the guy but kind of bush league the way it played out. It was not a security issue.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Said the same thing last night. I don’t know if scheme works or does because we have a lack of talent on defense. Hard to win in this league when 3 guys are playing significant snaps that shouldn’t even be playing. Basically have to cover up for those 3 guys and are playing 8 on 11 because those 3 are not good. I’d love to know another defense playing at an extremely high level with 3 players of morrow, Roby and Ellis taking up large amounts of snaps. I’m guessing most of those defenses are right there with the eagles. 

Scheme definitely plays a part.  Sucking like we have against bunches has to be at least, in part, scheme.  But a lot of it is talent, or lack of.   

4 minutes ago, Walkingwindchime said:

This team has not played good football yet for 60 minutes.  The D has been horrible since the 1st week...the O hasnt been all that great either but by far better than the D.  I don't know what every body else is seeing.  I've said since week one this isn't last years team no where near as good.

After the Dolphins game, just about everyone jumped on Desai's deek

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Goodell and NFL set to come down hard eith punishment on Dom amd Eagles for what happened yesterday.  They will look to make am example out of the Eagles.  Wonder of they try to take some pf our draft picks.  Nothing would surprise me about Goodell's actions at this point.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/04/sports/nfl-could-punish-dom-disandro-eagles-after-49ers-brawl/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

I said it last night, but I don't really know why he's on the sideline attached to Sirianni's hip like he's secret service for a president. He's not a coach, he's not a player, if he's security then stand on the back of the sideline and watch the crowd to make sure no one jumps the rail. There are 100 people on an NFL sideline. If some drunk fan tries to go after Sirianni, he's not getting within 100 feet of him. From my understanding he's more of a bodyguard/protector for the team around the facility and if they have off-campus events/functions. That's fine. But two refs were already in between Greenlaw and he reaches out to push Greenlaw back and Greenlaw stuck his hand in his face as retaliation. It just seems unnecessary for him to even be there. 

And if some security guy for San Francisco put his hands on Graham or Cox, we'd be arguing about the same thing. 

7 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don't know if it qualifies as a "conspiracy theory", but I do think there is a sense of ego to it with the philosophy that Lurie and Roseman have built. They gave Hurts $250 million and they want him to be the one establishing dominance in games, not just handing the ball off 50% of the time. They've never really valued the running back position and don't want to give Swift leverage in negotiations, so they kneecap him with his stats. Especially on the goalline where Hurts gets 95% of his rushing TDs. This offense really could run through Swift if they wanted to, but then in their minds it wouldn't justify giving Hurts the money. 

Eh, not so sure about that.  Swift has been good but let’s not try to make  him the 2nd coming of Wilbert Montgomery yet.
 

  He has an extensive injury history and has never been known to be the "tough, in between the tackles” type of RB and even his vision has been questionable at times.  For example,  he had a huge hole he missed yesterday by making a wrong move that should have gone for a ton of yards.  
 

That said, I think Swift has the potential to be a very good back here and he’s shown flashes of brilliance out there but to say it’s some sort of conspiracy not to use him more just isn’t the case, imo. 
 

Not running the ball more has much more to do with the coaching and (possibly even Hurts) getting a little ahead of themselves when they are down in big games - they tend to just start passing more, looking for bigger plays, etc .

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Goodell and NFL set to come down hard eith punishment on Dom amd Eagles for what happened yesterday.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/04/sports/nfl-could-punish-dom-disandro-eagles-after-49ers-brawl/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

WTF did he do? He stuck his hands up to separate people. That's what anyone does on the sideline. Goodell can go F himself with his rigged league and those trash officials. If they had done their damn jobs earlier and cut the BS the 49ers were doing that wouldn't have happened.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Bonus -- DAL has the ball in the last 3 minutes, but McCarthy makes an odd decision and Dak screws something up that results in an Eagles win.  

That's a great prediction.  Clearly you've seen Dallas / Dak play before.  

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I said it last night, but I don't really know why he's on the sideline attached to Sirianni's hip like he's secret service for a president. He's not a coach, he's not a player, if he's security then stand on the back of the sideline and watch the crowd to make sure no one jumps the rail. From my understanding he's more of a bodyguard/protector for the team around the facility and if they have off-campus events/functions. That's fine. But two refs were already in between Greenlaw and he reaches out to push Greenlaw back and Greenlaw stuck his hand in his face as retaliation. It just seems unnecessary for him to even be there. 

And if some security guy for San Francisco put his hands on Graham or Cox, we'd be arguing about the same thing. 

No we wouldn't. He didn't shove him to the ground. He stuck his damn hand up. That's it. People are acting like he threw the guy on his ass.

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Goodell and NFL set to come down hard eith punishment on Dom amd Eagles for what happened yesterday.  They will look to make am example out of the Eagles.  Wonder of they try to take some pf our draft picks.  Nothing would surprise me about Goodell's actions at this point.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/12/04/sports/nfl-could-punish-dom-disandro-eagles-after-49ers-brawl/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

I was wondering why he was told to leave. So it's because he broke up a fight. That's odd as hell but the league suspended this guy for contributing to Hill's TD celebration so I suspect Dom will get punished

Lots of 49ers fans in the comment section though

My gut says we lose to Dallas, win the last 4 games, and still get the #1 seed as Baltimore beats SF. Will take that!

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I said it last night, but I don't really know why he's on the sideline attached to Sirianni's hip like he's secret service for a president. He's not a coach, he's not a player, if he's security then stand on the back of the sideline and watch the crowd to make sure no one jumps the rail. There are 100 people on an NFL sideline. If some drunk fan tries to go after Sirianni, he's not getting within 100 feet of him. From my understanding he's more of a bodyguard/protector for the team around the facility and if they have off-campus events/functions. That's fine. But two refs were already in between Greenlaw and he reaches out to push Greenlaw back and Greenlaw stuck his hand in his face as retaliation. It just seems unnecessary for him to even be there. 

And if some security guy for San Francisco put his hands on Graham or Cox, we'd be arguing about the same thing. 

I'm with you, up until Greenlaw throws a punch... it was weak, to say the least, but it was clearly closed fist and make contact.  Punching has no place in the NFL, no matter who the target is.  If he had merely shoved Dom back, I bet only Dom gets tossed.  

 

Meanwhile, if IIRC, didn't Dom interfere with a ref back in the Andy Reid days along the sidelines, where he was in the white area during a kick return and the official tripped over him.  We got a 15 yard penalty.   I know this happened, but am not sure if it was Dom or someone else.  I thought it was Dom.

16 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Inexcusable not to pound the middle over and over again. 

I don't know how you don't do it simply knowing that this is the 3rd game in 13 days. Like... how do you not think to shorten the game and ease the burden on your players knowing you're playing with a huge rest deficit and a potentially even more important game coming up in a week.

Regardless, I don't think this is a simple fix. The entire offense is a massively oversimplified RPO version of taking exactly what the defense says they're going to give you. It's what *most* teams are moving toward in the NFL because it's lazy and easily teachable to young QB's and not something you can divorce yourself from this many weeks into the season.