The rules are clear. Dom made unnecessary physical contact. He was also jawing at him the whole time.

Non-player personnel of a club (e.g., management personnel, coaches, trainers, equipment personnel) are prohibited from making unnecessary physical contact with or directing abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures at opponents, game officials, or representatives of the League.

 

 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Let me ask a dumb question -- does Morrow offer a ton in run defense? Are we better off seeing if Sydney Brown can take some of his snaps?

I was wondering that last night. If they are shredding the middle that way then go light and get the LB off the field. Yeah, that could hurt them vs the run but that's fine.

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup. TBF, this has been a successful model for Philly since 2000. 

It's why we've been complaining about the same thing after a loss for the past 20+ years. "Run the ball Andy Nick". It's just the systemic philosophy regardless of the coach. 

Screw it -- line up this way from now on. 4 defensive lineman, Reddick and Brown as LBs, and 5 in the secondary. Maybe rotate Cunningham and Brown and have Brown in passing situations. 

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They weren't on the field.

right, so lets line our sideline with the Hells Angles so they can rough up the other team when the go out of bounds. The actual field, the sidelines, the locker rooms are all part of the workplace for football players. Dom, again love the guy, crossed a line in the heat of the battle that he should not have and the team should own the mistake.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The rules are clear. Dom made unnecessary physical contact. He was also jawing at him the whole time.

Non-player personnel of a club (e.g., management personnel, coaches, trainers, equipment personnel) are prohibited from making unnecessary physical contact with or directing abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures at opponents, game officials, or representatives of the League.

 

 

By that rule Nick should be tossed for his jawing along with 80 percent of the coaches and staff who get into it with players who go onto their sidelines

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If this stat is correct (and it seemed this way watching the game), our basic failure was getting guys to the ground. It wasn't going over the top, it was going through the defense.

 

As I said last night, this back 7 does not have enough speed nor tackle well enough to play a soft coverage, rally to the ball defense.  Cunningham coming back will help some but they still have Morrow on the field 🤦‍♂️

6 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

The football field is still a workplace. People have roles, responsibilities and there are rules. What Greenlaw did deserved an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and potentially a disqualification. That's up to the refs. What Dom did crossed a line for staff. Coaches do that sort of thing, not staff. It was a mistake, the team should own it just like the bad play and bad coaching. Own the responsibility for ones behavior or join the world of whiners. Also, the refs absolutely stunk and its easy to see why the 49ers win with this crew. It's pass interference from the 70s.

Staff (not just coaches) are allowed on the sidelines and yes, they get involved whether voluntary or involuntary from time to time if a play goes out of bounds, etc.  That’s what happened in yesterday’s case.  Had Greenwall not had a late, illegal hit out of bounds, and then initiated a shoving match between players right in front of DiSandro, DiSandro would have never been involved.  The guy was trying to break up the shoving match and Greenwall pushed him in the face.  
 

The issue isn’t about who’s "allowed” or "not allowed” to protect themselves or players on the sidelines.  Anyone allowed on the sidelines has the right to protect themselves or players from potential injury.   If Goodell or the NFL have issues with this, then they need to regulate who is allowed or not allowed on the sidelines.  

 

2 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

right, so lets line our sideline with the Hells Angles so they can rough up the other team when the go out of bounds. The actual field, the sidelines, the locker rooms are all part of the workplace for football players. Dom, again love the guy, crossed a line in the heat of the battle that he should not have and the team should own the mistake.

Dude, don't be dramatic. He didn't rough up anyone. He put his damn arm up. Stop acting like soccer players taking a dive. It's human nature to separate people getting into it to prevent something worse from happening. If he put the guy on his ass or shoved him then we could talk. That was nothing.

On 3rd and 7+:

Reddick, Cox, Carter, Williams, Sweat

Brown

Slay, Bradberry, Roby, Reed, Byard

I'd try it.

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It's why we've been complaining about the same thing after a loss for the past 20+ years. "Run the ball Andy Nick"

Amazing how these coaching staffs go through the same slow process of realization every fn year.  The strength of this team has been and still is the the OL/running game.  Takes pressure off the Qb and gives D rest.  But yet here we are giving 9 touches to rbs all game.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The issue is you cannot become one dimensional. Even when Reid was here at his peak, there were games they lost because they became too ome dimensional. Against the 49ers and that defense (the best in the league), you cannot make it easier on them by being one dimensional. With Dallas Goedert hurt you’re already at a deficit with reliable pass catchers. You really only have two. And teams are gearing to take out AJ Brown (ans game wore on niners adjusted to brown). And it’s easier because you don’t have somebody in the middle of the field like Dallas Goedert that makes them pay for giving aj all that attention. By making yourself one dimensional, the Niners don’t have to respect to run. And you become much easier to defend. That pass to Watkins should’ve been PI but you wanna know what? the Niners will take it all day if you’re gonna throw it to him because he sucks and can’t catch and you want to be one dimensional as they go out of their way to shut down aj 

Oh, I want to run the ball more. I think we should have in this game. I also think we should be running more against Dallas. I want to throw the ball almost every down against Seattle.  

But let's not act like this isn't the right approach overall. 

37 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don't know if it qualifies as a "conspiracy theory", but I do think there is a sense of ego to it with the philosophy that Lurie and Roseman have built. They gave Hurts $250 million and they want him to be the one establishing dominance in games, not just handing the ball off 50% of the time. They've never really valued the running back position and don't want to give Swift leverage in negotiations, so they kneecap him with his stats. Especially on the goalline where Hurts gets 95% of his rushing TDs. This offense really could run through Swift if they wanted to, but then in their minds it wouldn't justify giving Hurts the money. 

Perhaps.  Certainly can't prove it either way.  

But FOR SURE they let the coach(es) call the plays and they wanted to throw throw throw and that philosophy was plain wrong. And dumb.  And wrong.      

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Dude, don't be dramatic. He didn't rough up anyone. He put his damn arm up. Stop acting like soccer players taking a dive. It's human nature to separate people getting into it to prevent something worse from happening. If he put the guy on his ass or shoved him then we could talk. That was nothing.

Negatron calling someone dramatic. That's rich.

Just now, Next_Up said:

Negatron calling someone dramatic. That's rich.

Yeah, that should tell you something.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Staff (not just coaches) are allowed on the sidelines and yes, they get involved whether voluntary or involuntary from time to time if a play goes out of bounds, etc.  That’s what happened in yesterday’s case.  Had Greenwall not had a late, illegal hit out of bounds, and then initiated a shoving match between players right in front of DiSandro, DiSandro would have never been involved.  The guy was trying to break up the shoving match and Greenwall pushed him in the face.  
 

The issue isn’t about who’s "allowed” or "not allowed” to protect themselves or players on the sidelines.  Anyone allowed on the sidelines has the right to protect themselves or players from potential injury.   If Goodell or the NFL have issues with this, then they need to regulate who is allowed or not allowed on the sidelines.  

 

Or the people on the sideline who are allowed to be there need to regulate their behavior. He made a mistake. So did Greenlaw. What is wrong with being held accountable for one's mistakes? The context of the mistake doesn't justify it. It just adds context for it.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

By that rule Nick should be tossed for his jawing along with 80 percent of the coaches and staff who get into it with players who go onto their sidelines

And the refs can do that if they feel it's justified. There's holding on every snap, it doesn't get called all the time either. 

It's simple. He shouldn't have touched a player, at all. Had he just separated them and everyone walked away, maybe the refs don't eject him. But a punch was thrown, which complicates the situation. The refs felt the best way to restore some semblance of peace and to keep order in the game was to eject both. So they did. If the NFL decides to come down on him, it's to deter it from happening again with other team employees on the sideline.

He's like nah I'm good

23 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If this stat is correct (and it seemed this way watching the game), our basic failure was getting guys to the ground. It wasn't going over the top, it was going through the defense.

 

Thats pretty much how it has been since he started last year. He makes short to intermediate passes and then the playmakers take it from there.

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dude, don't be dramatic. He didn't rough up anyone. He put his damn arm up. Stop acting like soccer players taking a dive. It's human nature to separate people getting into it to prevent something worse from happening. If he put the guy on his ass or shoved him then we could talk. That was nothing.

He has to know his role. It's not like Greenlaw had a full MMA mount on DeVonta and was roughing him up that needed to be broken up. He had two refs in between him, was backing up, and Dom put his hands on him. It was just unnecessary. They flagged Greenlaw, got the 15 yards, mission was accomplished and they called it right. Again, I don't know why he's even on the sideline that close to the action. 

Also 49ers were WAY more affected, since they lost an actual player for the game, gave the Eagles extra yards and lit a fire under them for one drive. While the Eagles only had their meme guy stand in the locker room.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Oh, I want to run the ball more. I think we should have in this game. I also think we should be running more against Dallas. I want to throw the ball almost every down against Seattle.  

But let's not act like this isn't the right approach overall. 

Never said it wasn’t however it’s not strictly we need to pass and completely abandon the run. That’s basically what yesterday became. They didn’t have great success after 5 rushing attempts in the first quarter and decided well we will only give our backs 4 more carries the rest of the game. And one of them was a simple handoff to run the first half clock out. There’s one thing to have that philosophy and it’s another to become completely carried away by it and make yourself one dimensional and easier to defend. 

against the niners with our defense only way we are winning is to dominate TOP to limit niners possessions. First quarter they did that by having 12:57 to 2:03. Rest of the game it was 26:18 to 18:42. Only way the eagles were gonna continue to dominate time of possession without a running. Game was to complete 80+ % of our passes. Not very likely against the no. 1 defense in the league 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And the refs can do that if they feel it's justified. There's holding on every snap, it doesn't get called all the time either. 

It's simple. He shouldn't have touched a player, at all. Had he just separated them and everyone walked away, maybe the refs don't eject him. But a punch was thrown, which complicates the situation. The refs felt the best way to restore some semblance of peace and to keep order in the game was to eject both. So they did. If the NFL decides to come down on him, it's to deter it from happening again with other team employees on the sideline.

Then it should be the rule across the board. How many fights or scrums have we seen in the last 20 years on the sidelines where coaches got between players or separated them? If any of them touch a player they should be banned as well. Of course that won't happen. It's human nature to put arms up and separate people. Like you said if he didn't lose his crap and throw a punch it's not news because it happens all the time.

Just now, Next_Up said:

Or the people on the sideline who are allowed to be there need to regulate their behavior. He made a mistake. So did Greenlaw. What is wrong with being held accountable for one's mistakes? The context of the mistake doesn't justify it. It just adds context for it.

Have you watched the play?  I’ve watched it 10 times and I don’t see how someone on the sidelines trying to break up a shoving match, protecting himself and other players from potential injury is "making a mistake”. I would do that 100 times out of 100 times.
 

 If you don’t want me to protect myself or other players from potential injury, don’t allow me to be on the sidelines where situations like that can happen at any moment.  It’s the equivalent of saying, "If someone tries to hit you or someone else while standing on the sidelines, you are not allowed to protect yourself or anyone else.” 

35 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

OK, well, let me try and be optimistic this morning...

1. The defense may have gotten run through, but they only played 59 snaps and barely hit anyone (OK, half joking). Coming off the 95 snap performance against Buffalo, they should at least be fresher for the game in Dallas. Hopefully Cunningham can come back.

2. Unlike last year, this team is really missing Goedert as the 3rd pass catching option. Having him back in Dallas should allow Brown and Smith more room to attack Dallas' CBs that were just roasted by Metcalf, Smith-Njigba and Lockett. Bland in particular was cooked all game.

3. I'm reaching, but...Quez Watkins didn't suck yesterday? Actually made a nice grab. Maybe he can be a WR3?

4. The OL was great pass blocking, and Lane shut down Bosa. 

5. We can't tackle worse, can we?

That's all I got.

 

The first point is especially important for Reddick and Sweat who have been playing 60+ snaps for weeks now. They only got about 40 each which is good.

I agree missing Goedert is huge. In terms of why it’s different to last year, I think has a few angles to it:

1) Quality of opposition: Colts, Packers, Titans, Giants, Bears ain’t exactly Chiefs, Bills, 49ers

2) In at least half of the games last year, we were able to lean on the run. Packers, Giants we had like 300+ and 200+ days on the ground. The colts game was won on a rushing-led drive. Only the Titans game we had to rely on the passing game without a rushing attack. Gone are the days of Hurts running for 80-100 yards and making running lanes wider. The knee injury has been a big factor on that front

3) While 3 of games were big, overall  was still hit and miss with him out. We just got by the Colts with 17 points, Bears with 25 (but that was TO issue)

4) We schemed to create a viable third option production in the passing game between Quez, Gainwell, Stoll, Calcatera. This year we just haven’t seen as much of that. Those middle screens to Swift, one play for Stoll that got us to the goal line. Otherwise not much production. The OZ catch was a scramble drill talent play.