David Car is a Fing bust and if Hurts were white the crap wouldn’t be said. Hurts didn’t give up 6 tds in a row.

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Makes me wonder if some of these guys just read stat sheets instead of actually watching and paying attention to games. 
 

It’s not about just running the ball more.  It’s about maintaining a ball control offense.   After the 1st quarter, the 49ers wore our defense down by converting almost every third down and marching down the field repeatedly and scoring.
 

 The only way to slow them down would have been to maintain a ball control offense - either by actually completing passes and getting first downs or running the ball effectively.  The idea is that they needed to give the defense time to recover after getting constantly hammered by the 49ers offense - especially after converting almost every 3rd down, after the defense made tough stops on 1st & 2nd downs.  

 

Need to take a look at the nuances of a game before calling people morons, Jimmy. 

His point was it isn’t quantity of the runs that is the issue, it’s quality and on that point he’s right. Running the ball more wouldn’t have done anything on Sunday because they sucked at it. They need to fix the scheme and quality of it not just doing it more.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

His point was it isn’t quantity of the runs that is the issue, it’s quality and on that point he’s right. Running the ball more wouldn’t have done anything on Sunday because they sucked at it. They need to fix the scheme and quality of it not just doing it more.

Thats part of it.
 

 Again, if you watch the game closely, there were at least 2-3 runs that could have gone longer hadn’t it been for a wrong move, fluke missed block, etc.

 If you run more than 9 times, good chance you’ll get those runs to pop eventually.   And again, it’s about ball control.  If you come out passing 100% of the time, the defense just starts to play pass.  And you get multiple 3 and outs like we had on Sunday, putting our defense right back out on the field after they just got hammered for 80+ yards against the 49ers offense. 

22 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Tough decisions for Howie - Tui was a draft pick, Albert O was traded for… letting these guys go might hurt his prestige slightly (although I’d think it would be the right decision).

Albert O was literally the lowest trade compensation allowed. He’s given up on more and faster. 

Just now, Sack that QB said:

His point was it isn’t quantity of the runs that is the issue, it’s quality and on that point he’s right. Running the ball more wouldn’t have done anything on Sunday because they sucked at it.

It's called having a run game, you run the hard yards early in the game regardless of success to wear the defense out late, every NFL team there ever was does it, it's running a balanced offense,  Steichen called a more balanced offense than this.  Stopping Hurts running is taking away the USP that elevated his game to a different level. Now if that's because his knee is worse than has been let on so far then that's one thing, but if it is because we want him to be a pocket guy, then we're paying him a big contract to not do the thing that made him worth a big contract in the first place and that's asinine. 

15 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

It isn't rocket science, DK McDonald sucks as a DB coach and the Linebackers are a huge step down from TJ Edwards who we treated as a JAG when his contract was up despite PFF saying he was one of the best performing Linebackers in the league all last season.

6 million looks cheap right about now but hey....we had to pay Hurts so he could start playing hero ball like Wentz

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

His point was it isn’t quantity of the runs that is the issue, it’s quality and on that point he’s right. Running the ball more wouldn’t have done anything on Sunday because they sucked at it. They need to fix the scheme and quality of it not just doing it more.

The whiners runs were completely stuffed on their first two drives and didn't start working until they finally got a first down.  The longer they kept at it, the better it got.  The Eagles abandon the run (except designed QB runs) if they get less than 10 yards per carry.  A two yard run is still better than a sack or an incomplete pass.

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Makes me wonder if some of these guys just read stat sheets instead of actually watching and paying attention to games. 
 

It’s not about just running the ball more.  It’s about maintaining a ball control offense.   After the 1st quarter, the 49ers wore our defense down by converting almost every third down and marching down the field repeatedly and scoring.
 

 The only way to slow them down would have been to maintain a ball control offense - either by actually completing passes and getting first downs or running the ball effectively.  The idea is that they needed to give the defense time to recover after getting constantly hammered by the 49ers offense - especially after converting almost every 3rd down, after the defense made tough stops on 1st & 2nd downs.  

 

Need to take a look at the nuances of a game before calling people morons, Jimmy. 

Eating the clock only to punt the football away isn’t a great plan either. People probably wouldn’t be complaining about the run game if we finished off those first two drives with TDs. 

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

Congrats to Westbrook!! One of my favorite Eagles who was at Villanova when I attended.

I remember running into him in a Footlocker in Dallas.  I asked his dad if that was Westbrook and he said yeah.  Wanted to say hi but thought it was nicer to just let him enjoy his shoe shopping without the attention.

 

My bad.  Didn't know JMac got in too.  Congrats to both!

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

His point was it isn’t quantity of the runs that is the issue, it’s quality and on that point he’s right. Running the ball more wouldn’t have done anything on Sunday because they sucked at it. They need to fix the scheme and quality of it not just doing it more.

Obviously running 10 more times would have saved the defense from giving up 6 consecutive TD drives. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Eating the clock only to punt the football away isn’t a great plan either. People probably wouldn’t be complaining about the run game if we finished off those first two drives with TDs. 

Straw man.   Who said anything about "eating the clock” just to punt the ball away?  Obviously the idea would be to maintain a ball control offense so that we get first downs and eventually score. 
 

 

9 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

It's called having a run game, you run the hard yards early in the game regardless of success to wear the defense out late, every NFL team there ever was does it, it's running a balanced offense,  Steichen called a more balanced offense than this.  Stopping Hurts running is taking away the USP that elevated his game to a different level. Now if that's because his knee is worse than has been let on so far then that's one thing, but if it is because we want him to be a pocket guy, then we're paying him a big contract to not do the thing that made him worth a big contract in the first place and that's asinine. 

Not regardless of success, that's taking it to an extreme. You do what works. You aren't going to wear a defense out when you're averaging under 3 ypc. Steichen didn't decide the ratio, that's decided during the week of prep. The difference last season was the run game was unstoppable and this season it has been bad. The run blocking has been Fing awful. The scheming could be better. The RBs in some instances could have run better as well. But overall the run game has just been poor.

This offense actually improved this season when they started throwing it more. The issue is that they haven't been able to run it well, not that they aren't doing it. The offense would be at its best though if they fix the running game, but they need to fix it. Not just do it more. It's straight trash right now for reasons that aren't "they aren't sticking with it."

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Straw man.   Who said anything about "eating the clock” just to punt the ball away?  Obviously the idea would be to maintain a ball control offense so that we get first downs and eventually score. 
 

 

That’s what running would have accomplished against SF. Our run scheme sucks and never stood a chance. 

12 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Thats part of it.
 

 Again, if you watch the game closely, there were at least 2-3 runs that could have gone longer hadn’t it been for a wrong move, fluke missed block, etc.

 If you run more than 9 times, good chance you’ll get those runs to pop eventually.   And again, it’s about ball control.  If you come out passing 100% of the time, the defense just starts to play pass.  And you get multiple 3 and outs like we had on Sunday, putting our defense right back out on the field after they just got hammered for 80+ yards against the 49ers offense. 

This is my issue when people go off the running game wasn’t working so it’s fine to just abandon it. The 49ers were running for 1.75 yards after a quarter and 5 minutes. Did the niners stop running the football because it’s was not working? No they didnt. They stuck with it.

Meanwhile the Eagles after the first quarter called 4 running plays to there RBs. And one of them was just a simple run out the clock at the second quarter. So really 3 after the first quarter that weren’t just we want to get in the halftime.

 let me also point out in the 2nd quarter the Eagles passing game was 2-6 for 14 yards (including the sack), a sack of -9 yards and a nearly interception. The effective passing game of 2.33yards per attempt. So basically the same that quarter as the eagles 2.2 yards per carry. So passing game was awful on the 2nd quarter. Imo that was the quarter where this game was lost cause your offense did nothing and got our possessed basically 10.5 mins to 4.5 and had 1 first down and the niners flipped the game cause of the brutal offense and bad defense. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That’s what running would have accomplished against SF. Our run scheme sucks and never stood a chance. 

Didn’t realize you had psychic abilities.  
 

As opposed to the scheme of passing almost every down to the tune of multiple 3 and outs and a grand total of 19 points when you needed to get over 42 points? Yeah, great game plan. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is my issue when people go off the running game wasn’t working so it’s fine to just abandon it. The 49ers were running for 1.75 yards after a quarter and 5 minutes. Did the niners stop running the football because it’s was not working? No they didnt. They stuck with it.

Meanwhile the Eagles after the first quarter called for running plays to there RBs. And one of them was just a simple run out the clock at the second quarter. So really 3 after the first quarter that weren’t just we want to get in the halftime.

 let me also point out in the 2nd quarter the Eagles passing game was 2-6 for 14 yards (including the sack), a sack of -9 yards and a nearly interception. The effective passing game of 2.33yards per attempt. So basically the same that quarter as the eagles 2.2 yards per carry. So passing game was awful on the 2nd quarter. Imo that was the quarter where this game was lost cause your offense did nothing and got our possessed basically 10.5 mins to 4.5 and had 1 first down and the niners flipped the game cause of the brutal offense and bad defense. 

Spot on.  Thank you. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Didn’t realize you had psychic abilities.  
 

As opposed to the scheme of passing almost every down to the tune of multiple 3 and outs and a grand total of 19 points when you needed to get over 42 points? Yeah great game plan. 

Your plan probably leads to a 42-13 loss instead. But whatever. 

Carr says Hurts can't handle drop back passing but he had some great games hanging in the pocket this year, let him read and throw with some actual route combinations instead of the all curls plan

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is my issue when people go off the running game wasn’t working so it’s fine to just abandon it. The 49ers were running for 1.75 yards after a quarter and 5 minutes. Did the niners stop running the football because it’s was not working? No they didnt. They stuck with it.

Meanwhile the Eagles after the first quarter called 4 running plays to there RBs. And one of them was just a simple run out the clock at the second quarter. So really 3 after the first quarter that weren’t just we want to get in the halftime.

 let me also point out in the 2nd quarter the Eagles passing game was 2-6 for 14 yards (including the sack), a sack of -9 yards and a nearly interception. The effective passing game of 2.33yards per attempt. So basically the same that quarter as the eagles 2.2 yards per carry. So passing game was awful on the 2nd quarter. Imo that was the quarter where this game was lost cause your offense did nothing and got our possessed basically 10.5 mins to 4.5 and had 1 first down and the niners flipped the game cause of the brutal offense and bad defense. 

Yes…

I disagree with Kempski.  He has fought the chem of football long enough to know that the running game is not always about yards per carry as it is about number of attempts.  
 

If team abandoned the run game because the defense stops it at first, then the defense has accomplished their mission of making their opponent one dimensional.

Teams that quit running because it’s not working are just that…quitters. I don’t see this team as that. I hope they prove me right

 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

They might as well try Nolan Smith out as a traditional LB. 

Or give him the BG reps at end

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is my issue when people go off the running game wasn’t working so it’s fine to just abandon it. The 49ers were running for 1.75 yards after a quarter and 5 minutes. Did the niners stop running the football because it’s was not working? No they didnt. They stuck with it.

Meanwhile the Eagles after the first quarter called for running plays to there RBs. And one of them was just a simple run out the clock at the second quarter. So really 3 after the first quarter that weren’t just we want to get in the halftime.

 let me also point out in the 2nd quarter the Eagles passing game was 2-6 for 14 yards (including the sack), a sack of -9 yards and a nearly interception. The effective passing game of 2.33yards per attempt. So basically the same that quarter as the eagles 2.2 yards per carry. So passing game was awful on the 2nd quarter. Imo that was the quarter where this game was lost cause your offense did nothing and got our possessed basically 10.5 mins to 4.5 and had 1 first down and the niners flipped the game cause of the brutal offense and bad defense. 

Yes. The offense wasn’t good. The running game was dreadful and vanilla and completely sniffed out. 

SF also is significantly better and more diverse at running the ball than we are.  

As currently constructed, our run game isn’t worth sticking to, especially with a crap defense against a highly efficient and explosive offense like SF. 

I would much rather lose trying to get the ball to Smith and Brown than chipping away with 2 yard gains in hopes of getting the run game going. 

We need to change how we run before we decide to plug away with it just because. 

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Didn’t realize you had psychic abilities.  
 

As opposed to the scheme of passing almost every down to the tune of multiple 3 and outs and a grand total of 19 points when you needed to get over 42 points? Yeah, great game plan. 

We had two 3 and outs all game. Here's how they started:

D.Swift right end for no gain

D.Swift right guard for 2 yards

37 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

David Car is a Fing bust and if Hurts were white the crap wouldn’t be said. Hurts didn’t give up 6 tds in a row.

As bad as the San Fran game was, suggesting a guy who got benched for Desmond Ridder is the Eagles best hope at QB is bad enough that it should end a career as a serious pundit, even the biggest braying horses ass sports talking heads there are like Bayless and Cowherd wouldn't try and float the idea that Hurts should be benched for Mariota, Carr should've been laughed out of the studio by all involved.

I also agree that there does seem to be a racial disparity between which QB's get a long leash and which get a kicking for one bad game.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We had two 3 and outs all game. Here's how they started:

D.Swift right end for no gain

D.Swift right guard for 2 yards

How did those drives end?

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

How did those drives end?

 

How do 3 and outs usually end?