8 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Good breakdown of Hurts not stepping up in the pocket to hit WIDE OPEN DeVonta. Guy makes a great point. When Hurts bails to the right, it's almost always when the play is meant to go left. That probably has a lot to do with why we never see players helping Hurts in the scramble drill because they are all going the other direction.

 

We already did this Yesterday, Haff is talking out of his ass, at the point Smitty turns the corner, the DE is getting past Mailata, if he steps up into the pocket, Bosa already has inside leverage on Lane (Lane only maintains the block because Hurts runs behind him and Bosa has to shift) and Dickerson is being pushed back towards where Hurts is supposed to step up into at speed. Haff's other suggestion on the play is hitting Stoll, who was still next to the nickel corner when Hurts bails and has both safeties stood 9 yards beyond him. Haff is someone who would once have been just a guy going on about football in a bar, who now tweets video's with arrows on them while talking in an authorative tone in the background, no more no less. He makes football content that gets views from whichever groups confirmation bias he hits that week.

34 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

We already did this Yesterday, Haff is talking out of his ass, at the point Smitty turns the corner, the DE is getting past Mailata, if he steps up into the pocket, Bosa already has inside leverage on Lane (Lane only maintains the block because Hurts runs behind him and Bosa has to shift) and Dickerson is being pushed back towards where Hurts is supposed to step up into at speed. Haff's other suggestion on the play is hitting Stoll, who was still next to the nickel corner when Hurts bails and has both safeties stood 9 yards beyond him. Haff is someone who would once have been just a guy going on about football in a bar, who now tweets video's with arrows on them while talking in an authorative tone in the background, no more no less. He makes football content that gets views from whichever groups confirmation bias he hits that week.

Disagree.  Hurts bailed way too quick.  If he steps up he doesn't have to worry about the DE.  The fact that he bailed right allowed the DE to chase after him.  He bailed with nobody around him.  He played awful.  No use sugarcoating it.  Usually when he bails the play is a zero.  The exception was the OZ TD catch against Buffalo.  He has to play significantly better if they want any chance to go deep into the playoffs.  

10 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

Disagree.  Hurts bailed way too quick.  If he steps up he doesn't have to worry about the DE.  The fact that he bailed right allowed the DE to chase after him.  He bailed with nobody around him.  He played awful.  No use sugarcoating it.  Usually when he bails the play is a zero.  The exception was the OZ TD catch against Buffalo.  He has to play significantly better if they want any chance to go deep into the playoffs.  

Here's the freeze frame at the moment he turns to bail,  the yellow lines on the d-linemen are their directions of travel at that moment, Mailata is already beaten and Johnson is beaten if Hurts goes forward, if he steps up he gets hit by Bosa and / or Landon Dickerson. to make the pass to Stoll he'd need the touch of a god to clear Fred Ward and not lead Stoll smack into one or both the safeties, to step up into the pocket to hit Smitty he'd need Mailata and Johnson to commit a holding penalty.

The argument isn't whether Hurts played well, it's about this specific play, and I think on this specific play I think Haff is talking directly out of his butthole. There were plenty of snaps where Hurts quite obviously held the ball too long and the pass protection held up incredibly that he could've picked but this one is a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about putting arrows on a video screen and blowharding.

8 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Here's the freeze frame at the moment he turns to bail,  the yellow lines on the d-linemen are their directions of travel at that moment, Mailata is already beaten and Johnson is beaten if Hurts goes forward, if he steps up he gets hit by Bosa and / or Landon Dickerson. to make the pass to Stoll he'd need the touch of a god to clear Fred Ward and not lead Stoll smack into one or both the safeties, to step up into the pocket to hit Smitty he'd need Mailata and Johnson to commit a holding penalty.

The argument isn't whether Hurts played well, it's about this specific play, and I think on this specific play I think Haff is talking directly out of his butthole. There were plenty of snaps where Hurts quite obviously held the ball too long and the pass protection held up incredibly that he could've picked but this one is a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about putting arrows on a video screen and blowharding.

Looking at that photo Hurts could have stepped into a throw leading Stoll to the left hash at the 21 yard line.  Nonetheless,  the defense lost this game.

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Apparently is a Def Leopard tour lol 

Ah crap now my wife will be bugging me to go to that…

17 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Here's the freeze frame at the moment he turns to bail,  the yellow lines on the d-linemen are their directions of travel at that moment, Mailata is already beaten and Johnson is beaten if Hurts goes forward, if he steps up he gets hit by Bosa and / or Landon Dickerson. to make the pass to Stoll he'd need the touch of a god to clear Fred Ward and not lead Stoll smack into one or both the safeties, to step up into the pocket to hit Smitty he'd need Mailata and Johnson to commit a holding penalty.

The argument isn't whether Hurts played well, it's about this specific play, and I think on this specific play I think Haff is talking directly out of his butthole. There were plenty of snaps where Hurts quite obviously held the ball too long and the pass protection held up incredibly that he could've picked but this one is a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about putting arrows on a video screen and blowharding.

Not the argument is that he didnt play well. Thats just one of many examples. His play was a significant piece of the loss. So was the defense.

18 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Here's the freeze frame at the moment he turns to bail,  the yellow lines on the d-linemen are their directions of travel at that moment, Mailata is already beaten and Johnson is beaten if Hurts goes forward, if he steps up he gets hit by Bosa and / or Landon Dickerson. to make the pass to Stoll he'd need the touch of a god to clear Fred Ward and not lead Stoll smack into one or both the safeties, to step up into the pocket to hit Smitty he'd need Mailata and Johnson to commit a holding penalty.

The argument isn't whether Hurts played well, it's about this specific play, and I think on this specific play I think Haff is talking directly out of his butthole. There were plenty of snaps where Hurts quite obviously held the ball too long and the pass protection held up incredibly that he could've picked but this one is a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about putting arrows on a video screen and blowharding.

FWIW, apparently Kurt Warner broke down the play and came to the same conclusion as Haff. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

FWIW, apparently Kurt Warner broke down the play and came to the same conclusion as Haff. 

Because a good qb would have already thrown the out…

it's absolutely fair to analyse/criticise Hurts unwillingness to consistently get throws out quicker, take tighter throws vs hero ball and more consistently stay in the pocket . It's not saying he's a bad QB, just highlighting where Hurts and the Coaches need to adjust to what teams are doing.

Running the ball will absolutely help Hurts as the O has gotten a bit predictable or even stale.  The whole team needs to step up - the D need some stability and consistency.  The DEs need to produce more.  The LBs need to not suck.

i guess paying Hurts as a Franchise QB means he will get Franchise QB analysis of his play.

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Apparently is a Def Leopard tour lol 

10 hours ago, judunno said:

Ellis was so bad Sunday they cut his ass... that's crazy 😂 

Elliss was elevated due to injuries.  They have added another LB to the mix now on the roster.   Elliss will go to the PS once he clears waivers.

9 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I agree. The last two games if we have it locked down. Now would be stupid. I'd play the kid when that happens. 

Sadly, I don't think there's any way that they could have HFA locked up for the last two weeks.   MAYBE they could for the final game.  And that would give two weeks off.  So, that's nice.  A third week would be great, but I don't see it as realistic.

Hurts could have hit every throw he missed and we still get stomped because the defense allowed SIX STRAIGHT TDS 🤣

7 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Hurts could have hit every throw he missed and we still get stomped because the defense allowed SIX STRAIGHT TDS 🤣

Yeah, I hope I’m wrong, but I can’t pick the team who is ranked dead last in the NFL on 3rd down defense to beat one of the top teams in their building.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Here's the freeze frame at the moment he turns to bail,  the yellow lines on the d-linemen are their directions of travel at that moment, Mailata is already beaten and Johnson is beaten if Hurts goes forward, if he steps up he gets hit by Bosa and / or Landon Dickerson. to make the pass to Stoll he'd need the touch of a god to clear Fred Ward and not lead Stoll smack into one or both the safeties, to step up into the pocket to hit Smitty he'd need Mailata and Johnson to commit a holding penalty.

The argument isn't whether Hurts played well, it's about this specific play, and I think on this specific play I think Haff is talking directly out of his butthole. There were plenty of snaps where Hurts quite obviously held the ball too long and the pass protection held up incredibly that he could've picked but this one is a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about putting arrows on a video screen and blowharding.

Nope.  Smith is OPEN by NFL standards.  It's too late for Hurts to be able to make that throw, because he's already made the decision to bail, but Smith is absolutely OPEN.  You'll note the LB is square to the LOS and looking in the backfield, he can't get to the sideline to disrupt a good ball to the boundary.   And the DB behind that has to respect the deeper route coming right at him.   Hurts needed to already have this ball out of his hand and on the way to Smith.  The moment we see is likely the exact moment that the ball should have been released.   In the NFL, the best QBs throw the ball AS the receivers make their break so that the DBs don't have the time to recover.  That needed to happen on this play.  And there's plenty of time for Hurts to do exactly that.   Hurts wasn't good at all in this game.  Not to worry though, he had plenty of company in that.  The defense was brutal.   Total team loss.  

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Ah crap now my wife will be bugging me to go to that…

Why would anyone want to see an animal with a hearing problem?

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Why would anyone want to see an animal with a hearing problem?

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

FWIW, apparently Kurt Warner broke down the play and came to the same conclusion as Haff. 

What would an NFL Europe QB know?  He should go back to bagging groceries.   No wonder he got cut from so many NFL teams.   Sheesh.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

FWIW, apparently Kurt Warner broke down the play and came to the same conclusion as Haff. 

Yea well what does some grocery store bag boy know? Everyone’s an analyst these days, sheesh 

Ok that was kinda weird 

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

After watching Carr's clip multiple times, this whole thing is reaching Big Dom levels of being blown out of proportion. Carr has 3 lines in the whole video. First of all, any of these shows are built around causing arguments and having different points of views so all Carr is doing is his job. Let's look at his 3 quotes:

- "Clearly Jalen isn't comfortable reading through a defense in a drop back pass scenario and some would say he's not even good at it." 

- "Is it better for the Eagles to play Marcus Mariota right now to let Jalen Hurts get fully healthy? I would argue that it does not matter if you're the #1 seed. Because if the 49ers come in to Philly again, they do not care, they do not care, is it raining, in Philly? Doesn't matter. Irrelevant."

- "If you're Nick Sirianni, this is the type of conversation you have to have if you have a big picture mentality, and I think you can have that conversation honestly with Jalen, if you sat him and and that's all Jalen talks about, is the end result. Getting to the Super Bowl and winning that thing. The best way we can do it, they didn't run the football with him, twice, that's not it man, that's not the winning edge. Put Marcus in there, win a couple of games, maybe you have the #1 seed still. You might have it, I would say he's probably better at playing QB for the Philadelphia Eagles RIGHT NOW, he would be more productive. Later, WHEN YOU'RE HEALTHY, we'll see you in the playoffs Jalen."

If Carr, a former NFL QB, watches Hurts and thinks what he sees is a guy who isn't comfortable reading defenses, he's 100% allowed to think that. He could be wrong, or he could be spot on. That's his analysis; David Carr thinks Hurts isn't comfortable reading defenses. He then says SOME argue he isn't good at it. Yes, there are some who argue that. Again, where lies the issue?

The 2nd quote is 100% a fair question. If Hurts isn't healthy, would it be better to sit him to get ready for a playoff run? Now having the #1 see doesn't matter to the 49ers, but it does mean more to the Eagles. His point that the 49ers could whoop the Eagles anywhere is fair to say after last week. For the Eagles however, #1 seed is much more important because they've shown they can't win in Dallas and their odds are much better in Philly than SF. 

The 3rd quote is where again, you have to listen to or read the entire quote. He's talking about what's best for the team in the long run. He's not saying Mariota is a better QB than Hurts, but he's saying without Jalen's running ability and what Carr perceives as uncomfortable reading the defense as a drop back passer that RIGHT NOW, Mariota could be the better option until Hurts is healthy. 

It's a hot take, and it got people talking. That's his job. It's funny how up in arms people are over this.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ok that was kinda weird 

Get outta my head, ya weirdo!

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ok that was kinda weird 

 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Get outta my head, ya weirdo!

Hive mentality in full effect. 

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

We already did this Yesterday, Haff is talking out of his ass, at the point Smitty turns the corner, the DE is getting past Mailata, if he steps up into the pocket, Bosa already has inside leverage on Lane (Lane only maintains the block because Hurts runs behind him and Bosa has to shift) and Dickerson is being pushed back towards where Hurts is supposed to step up into at speed. Haff's other suggestion on the play is hitting Stoll, who was still next to the nickel corner when Hurts bails and has both safeties stood 9 yards beyond him. Haff is someone who would once have been just a guy going on about football in a bar, who now tweets video's with arrows on them while talking in an authorative tone in the background, no more no less. He makes football content that gets views from whichever groups confirmation bias he hits that week.

The ball should have been thrown at the time of this screen shot. I hate how fans have completely forgotten what good football looks like. Nobody can even fathom the concept of throwing before a receiver breaks open anymore, or throwing to someone who has a defender within 20 feet from them. They see a QB get pressured 4 seconds after the snap and think the OL failed. 

This is bad football and bad QB play. It just is and we've forgotten that an average QB from 10 years ago hits on this play 10/10 times.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Because a good qb would have already thrown the out…

Are you saying Hurts isn’t a good QB?