We are averaging 3.7 yards per carry over the past seven games. I never would have imagined we would be this bad running the ball. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Are you saying Hurts isn’t a good QB?

I'll just go ahead and say it. Hurts is a bad QB. He's a bad QB compared to what NFL QB's use to be able to execute consistently, even when DB's could get away with more. But he's not alone. This is a trend that the entire NFL is experiencing right now. It's bad QB play across the board, only feeling comfortable enough throwing to receivers that have 10 miles of open space between them and the closest defender. And it's why you have guys like Brady looking at today's NFL and seeing a lot of bad football.

9 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The ball should have been thrown at the time of this screen shot. I hate how fans have completely forgotten what good football looks like. Nobody can even fathom the concept of throwing before a receiver breaks open anymore, or throwing to someone who has a defender within 20 feet from them. They see a QB get pressured 4 seconds after the snap and think the OL failed. 

This is bad football and bad QB play. It just is and we've forgotten that an average QB from 10 years ago hits on this play 10/10 times.

It is also possible that you could find plays in every game for every QB to dissect like this. I would say that the bigger issue is the 2 high safeties. There has been some good analysis about this and how the Eagles now see this at the second highest rate in the league and that is a big change for this O. It is possible that all of the talk about BJ knowing Hurts for a long time, etc., making him a good OC for him is wrong because BJ protects Hurts too much and has removed him as a run threat with the goal of making him a pocket passer. Removing the threat of him running in a legitimate way on RPOs now lets defenses scheme against him in a way that exposes some of his weaknesses, all QBs have them, in the passing game. Hurts is who he is talent-wise and he needs to scare the D with his running ability in order to open up the field for his level of ability as a passer and reading Ds. IMO, the OC is not using this QB well and my hypothesis is because he is protecting him and trying to make him into a player that he is not. 

10 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Hurts is who he is talent-wise and he needs to scare the D with his running ability in order to open up the field for his level of ability as a passer and reading Ds. IMO, the OC is not using this QB well and my hypothesis is because he is protecting him and trying to make him into a player that he is not. 

This I 100% agree with. Hurts needs to be threatening opposing teams with his legs constantly and causing defensive breakdowns that put our offensive weapons in free space. He's not an effective, post-snap reader of the defense and because of that will never be able to beat a defense who decides to play full on coverage defense with his arm.

This team needs to be running all the time even when it's not working. It's the only long-term formula for offensive success with someone like Hurts at QB.

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

After watching Carr's clip multiple times, this whole thing is reaching Big Dom levels of being blown out of proportion. Carr has 3 lines in the whole video. First of all, any of these shows are built around causing arguments and having different points of views so all Carr is doing is his job. Let's look at his 3 quotes:

- "Clearly Jalen isn't comfortable reading through a defense in a drop back pass scenario and some would say he's not even good at it." 

- "Is it better for the Eagles to play Marcus Mariota right now to let Jalen Hurts get fully healthy? I would argue that it does not matter if you're the #1 seed. Because if the 49ers come in to Philly again, they do not care, they do not care, is it raining, in Philly? Doesn't matter. Irrelevant."

- "If you're Nick Sirianni, this is the type of conversation you have to have if you have a big picture mentality, and I think you can have that conversation honestly with Jalen, if you sat him and and that's all Jalen talks about, is the end result. Getting to the Super Bowl and winning that thing. The best way we can do it, they didn't run the football with him, twice, that's not it man, that's not the winning edge. Put Marcus in there, win a couple of games, maybe you have the #1 seed still. You might have it, I would say he's probably better at playing QB for the Philadelphia Eagles RIGHT NOW, he would be more productive. Later, WHEN YOU'RE HEALTHY, we'll see you in the playoffs Jalen."

If Carr, a former NFL QB, watches Hurts and thinks what he sees is a guy who isn't comfortable reading defenses, he's 100% allowed to think that. He could be wrong, or he could be spot on. That's his analysis; David Carr thinks Hurts isn't comfortable reading defenses. He then says SOME argue he isn't good at it. Yes, there are some who argue that. Again, where lies the issue?

The 2nd quote is 100% a fair question. If Hurts isn't healthy, would it be better to sit him to get ready for a playoff run? Now having the #1 see doesn't matter to the 49ers, but it does mean more to the Eagles. His point that the 49ers could whoop the Eagles anywhere is fair to say after last week. For the Eagles however, #1 seed is much more important because they've shown they can't win in Dallas and their odds are much better in Philly than SF. 

The 3rd quote is where again, you have to listen to or read the entire quote. He's talking about what's best for the team in the long run. He's not saying Mariota is a better QB than Hurts, but he's saying without Jalen's running ability and what Carr perceives as uncomfortable reading the defense as a drop back passer that RIGHT NOW, Mariota could be the better option until Hurts is healthy. 

It's a hot take, and it got people talking. That's his job. It's funny how up in arms people are over this.

 

 

People like you bending over backwards to defend Carr are so pathetic.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

People like you bending over backwards to defend Carr are so pathetic.

I won't defend Carr here. I'll say he's seeing what a lot of us and the rest of the NFL see. But benching Hurts in favor of Mariota is just beyond stupid. 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Are you saying Hurts isn’t a good QB?

He wasnt on sunday

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

People like you bending over backwards to defend Carr are so pathetic.

I'm not bending over backwards to defend him. I watched the vide, provided the transcript and with an objective mind, I listened to and read what he had to say and I put my thoughts down.

 

11 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

I'll just go ahead and say it. Hurts is a bad QB. He's a bad QB compared to what NFL QB's use to be able to execute consistently, even when DB's could get away with more. But he's not alone. This is a trend that the entire NFL is experiencing right now. It's bad QB play across the board, only feeling comfortable enough throwing to receivers that have 10 miles of open space between them and the closest defender. And it's why you have guys like Brady looking at today's NFL and seeing a lot of bad football.

I think you're spot on.

The days of QB'ing with Brady, Manning, Brees and even Rodgers might be gone.

I don't think Jalen is a good pure QB as far as dropping back, reading a defense and making a throw consistently.  Not saying he's bad at that either but not his strong suit in my opinion. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I'm not bending over backwards to defend him. I watched the vide, provided the transcript and with an objective mind, I listened to and read what he had to say and I put my thoughts down.

 

 

You've been jumping at every chance to defend Carr.  Once a Hurts hater, always a Hurts hater.  Just waiting in the weeds chomping at the bit to go after Hurts and you got it after his 3rd loss in nearly 3rd games.  It's an embarrassment to the fanbase.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

People like you bending over backwards to defend Carr are so pathetic.

 

4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

I won't defend Carr here. I'll say he's seeing what a lot of us and the rest of the NFL see. But benching Hurts in favor of Mariota is just beyond stupid. 

He said last night that he didn't mean Mariota was better.

He was saying he should play for awhile so Jalen can get healthy for the playoffs because he doesn't seem right, which is fair if you watch the games. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You've been jumping at every chance to defend Carr.  Once a Hurts hater, always a Hurts hater.  Just waiting in the weeds chomping at the bit to go after Hurts and you got it after his 3rd loss in nearly 3rd games.  It's an embarrassment to the fanbase.

Not even worth engaging with you after this. 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We are averaging 3.7 yards per carry over the past seven games. I never would have imagined we would be this bad running the ball. 

Little threat of the qb keep

1 hour ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Hurts could have hit every throw he missed and we still get stomped because the defense allowed SIX STRAIGHT TDS 🤣

Two things can be true at the same time:

The defense sucked; and

Hurts sucked.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not even worth engaging with you after this. 

 

Wouldn't be anything bit garbage coming from your keyboard anyway. 

Hurts' biggest issue is pocket presence (staying in the pocket), not reading the defense. Most of us here are well aware of this.

There is definitely some racism. There are people who thought Minshew was better than Hurts last year 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts' biggest issue is pocket presence (staying in the pocket), not reading the defense. Most of us here are well aware of this.

There is definitely some racism. There are people who thought Minshew was better than Hurts last year 

These are related, I think.

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

There is definitely some racism. 

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts' biggest issue is pocket presence (staying in the pocket), not reading the defense. Most of us here are well aware of this.

There is definitely some racism. There are people who thought Minshew was better than Hurts last year 

why cant it just be about the performance? Why does everything have to be about race?

Heard someone call Carr a racist, and I had to point out that Mariota is a person of color.  SMH. Damn race baiters. 

 

At times, Hurts isn't playing well, thats based on performance, and his own words. He even says he isn't playing well.  

He needs to play better- The Defense needs to be better.

 

I never here anyone being called racist for saying the defense needs to play better. 

ENOUGH with the race baiting!

16 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

These are related, I think.

This may be a distinction without difference but I think sometimes it's not that he doesn't know what the defense is calling but that he doesn't see the field as well.  I think his height plays a role in at times in his decisions.  

Yo so those who were certain that Big Dom would be fined, fired, banned from the sidelines owe him an apology.  Pay your respects to the Dom before you sleep with the fishes.

Listening to Sheil’s film review podcast and he thinks there are a lot of clear instances where Hurts doesn’t trust or want to throw to the TEs. He’s staying on Brown and Smith too long where in the past he would have made the same throw to Goedert. He also questioned how well he saw things, that his eyes were in the right place but he didn’t pull the trigger. 

44 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts' biggest issue is pocket presence (staying in the pocket), not reading the defense. Most of us here are well aware of this.

There is definitely some racism. There are people who thought Minshew was better than Hurts last year 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Listening to Sheil’s film review podcast and he thinks there are a lot of clear instances where Hurts doesn’t trust or want to throw to the TEs. He’s staying on Brown and Smith too long where in the past he would have made the same throw to Goedert. He also questioned how well he saw things, that his eyes were in the right place but he didn’t pull the trigger. 

Didn't Sirianni himself say those TEs weren't even in the progression like when Stoll was wide open he wasn't in the read? Feels like they're trying to simplify it or something making the offense look even worse when guys are running wide open and not being targeted.

48 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts' biggest issue is pocket presence (staying in the pocket), not reading the defense. Most of us here are well aware of this.

There is definitely some racism. There are people who thought Minshew was better than Hurts last year 

He seemed to not trust his protection like he did at the beginning of the year.  Probably due to Opeta and Driscoll being out there for a couple of games.  I think hebsettles down this week after seeing the film and puts on a good performance.