33 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Who coaches their guy to look at just one or maybe two options? MS wasn't telling Purdy to do that....so either Nick is a bad coach or he has a QB that he knows isn't capable of looking at more than one or two things....so we agree. Honestly, I think it's the latter because as cool as Hurts is he's anything but in the pocket sometimes. We've seen that one play over and over the last day on here where he right away runs right when he could have stepped up and hit Smith.

I think it's more of a trust issue than anything. He did not want to throw to Stoll an AO for some reason. Lack of chemistry maybe. Disadvantage whenever they are out on the field running routes (bad ones at that).

Just now, judunno said:

I think it's more of a trust issue than anything. He did not want to throw to Stoll an AO for some reason. Lack of chemistry maybe. Disadvantage whenever they are out on the field running routes (bad ones at that).

Good point but then he throws to Wallace

 

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Good point but then he throws to Wallace

He's played with Quez longer and has had more live targets to him (i assume that's who you meant). There have been a number of times where Hurts has tried to anticipate passes and he and his receivers haven't been on the same page resulting in picks. I can see the apprehension for targeting guys he hasn't targeted much at all probably not even in practice against a defense like this. Hope that comfort level improves as he plays with them more.

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

Mahomes contract was restructured and is now a 52.6 million average.   Hurts is now 5th highest.  Dak will make him 6th

https://sportsnaut.com/highest-paid-quarterbacks-in-the-nfl/amp/

That doesn't change the argument at all.  Hurts is in that conversation of 'highest paid' QBs.  As such, the expectation is that you get what you pay for.   

 

QBs are always under the most scrutiny, and that's why they get the most money.  It's a package deal.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

That doesn't change the argument at all.  Hurts is in that conversation of 'highest paid' QBs.  As such, the expectation is that you get what you pay for.   

 

QBs are always under the most scrutiny, and that's why they get the most money.  It's a package deal.

They get the most money because NFL football is unwatchable with bad QB play.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

 

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

They aren't getting any calls in Dallas, I'm telling you that right now. No team in football has home ref cooking like the Cowboys. It's league mandated.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

I didn't address it during or after the game, but Quez really could have (should have) helped Hurts out on that long throw.  It was a slight underthrow, but either 1) catch the ball, because he got two hands on it, or  2) stop and initiate contact with the DB, who was basically just screening the WR on the throw.  I think there still could have been a flag there, but the ref gave SF the benefit of the doubt that the DB barely turned his head in time, even though he contacted Quez.

Didn't like the play from Quez there.

You wanted Quez to be physical?    Yeah, that's not going to happen.    The refs weren't going to call PI unless it was egregious.  He could have made it egregious with how he played the ball, but he has demonstrated that he has zero interest in contact and approaching zero ball skills.   He's just not good enough, and needs to be replaced.  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Siri was asked about Hurts missing Stoll wide open on the 1st play, and another play Albert O was open but went to AJ Brown.  Asked if he's not comfortable throwing to them or they're not part of practice.

Siri's answer:  he said he takes responsibility in coaching Hurts on what reads on each play.  He said a QB can't look at so much, it slows your processing speed, you can't look at everything.  Siri said Stoll wasn't part of that read on that play.  He says that's how he told Jalen to read it.  

Is he just covering for Hurts?  Or is it true that a lot of this is play design?  Siri defends Brian Johnson's play calling by saying they both work on the play design and game plan through the week.  Thoughts?

Video starts at his answer here:

 

I'm going to guess that Sirianni is taking the bullet for Hurts here.  That's what good coaches do.   What he says to Jalen behind closed doors and what he says publicly are likely two very different things.

 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

But that in of itself is racial bias.  Hurts is taking too long to get through his progressions as exhibited in his time to throw metric, and has shown on several occasions the propensity to bail out of the pocket (early) to the right, even when he doesn't have any available targets on that side of the field.  He's making bad decisions and turning the ball over more.  He simply hasn't been as good as he was last season; I think there are a few factors at play there:

-- New offensive coordinator

-- physical health

-- NFL defenses adjusting to what Hurts does best, and taking some of those things away in their game planning

-- Unreasonable expectations that he should be an MVP frontrunner every year

 

One thing the coaches should be doing to help him out -- knowing he prefers to escape right -- is always have an available outlet target on a route to the short right.  Whether that should be the default check-down route for the blocking TE/RB, or something else, there has to be something available to Hurts in that zone of the field instead of just throwing the ball away.

I am not sure how you can read Sheil's comments as being racially biased especially given Carr's comments. Sheil isn't accusing Carr of being racially biased.  I think the way to read his comments is as advisory.  Sheil rightly points out that criticism of black QB's may be viewed as rooted in racial bias.  Before you call for a QB, that was the MVP frontrunner last week, to be benched, maybe explain what you mean in detail.  In fairness, Carr did explain why he made the comment and framed it as wanting Hurts to get healthy.  He also did criticize Hurts' ability to read defenses.  Carr's suggestion that the Eagles should "bench" Hurts for Mariota at this point in the season is ridiculous. 

 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Jordan Phillips is everything that's wrong with professional athletes.  Who was it that went over to the sidelines and got involved in an altercation with a fan?   Pretty sure he was the one making up stories about what the fan said.

Dishing it out has nothing to do with playing dirty.  He was absolutely playing dirty and doing what he did was 100% about trying to injure people.  There's plenty of injuries in football, we don't need a guy looking to create more.

 

And finally... its not Travis' podcast, if anything it goes the OTHER way.  It is Jason's podcast, with Travis.  And because he's not paid attention, he should know that Jason, even going all the way back to his rookie year, has ALWAYS had a voice.   When the fans were outside NovaCare giving Andy a hard time, it was Kelce and Evan Mathis that rose to Andy's defense.   

 

This guy is gutless, clueless and classless.   Trifecta of turdiness.

22 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

 

That's Darius, we signed Shaquille 

53 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Purdy threw a TD pass to Aiyuk against Seattle that pissed off Shanahan because he wasn’t supposed to be in the read based on the defense Seattle showed. 

Edit: Holy run-on sentence. 

I think that sentence is okay, although I think it would read better if you replace "he" with "Aiyuk".

My father probably would have inserted about four commas into that sentence somehow. He might have even found a way to add a semicolon. That man loves him some punctuation marks.

28 minutes ago, judunno said:

He's played with Quez longer and has had more live targets to him (i asume that's who you meant). There have been a number of times where Hurts has tried to anticipate passes and he and his receivers haven't been on the same page resulting in picks. I can see the apprehensive for targeting guys he hasn't targeted much at all probably not even in practice against a defense like this. Hope that comfort level improves as he plays with them more.

You make good points

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

the Eagles have the best record in the NFL.  Teams that lose more are playing behind more often.

Smith plays 97% of the time.

The Eagles just pretend that they only have 3 pass catchers, and if one gets hurt and out,  it goes down to 2 pass catchers.

Yeah, that is a lot.

Maybe Sirianni falls behind early on purpose.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No i will argue quez watkins is not good enough to be a no. 3 Wr. He’s proven that time and time again as he drops passes and can’t stay healthy either. He’s not good enough to be a No. 3 wr. There’s a reason why julio was on the street for half the year and has done next to nothing. He’s not good enough anymore. Add on Oz is what he’s been everywhere else. He’s a solid no. 4 receiver. Add on there’s a reason the broncos gave up on Albert O. It wasn’t cause he didn’t get chances there. He wasn’t good enough as a blocker and inconsistent in his pass catching/route running. Calcaterra and stoll are what they are backups that are limited. stoll has never been thought of as a good receiving threat coming out of college. And Calcaterra had issues health wise in college and isn’t good as a blocker.

naw i can safely say those guys aren’t good enough as your third options to sustain a consistent offense  

The problem is the drop-off after the top three targets in this offense. You obviously can't have pro-bowlers up and down the depth chart, but it's a severe decline after AJ, DeVonta, and Dallas. These guys aren't even serviceable, they're street free agents if they're not on this team. There's no middle-class it's just the elites and the impoverished. The leading receivers after those top three are Swift and Gainwell. OZ barely has over 100 yards and Quez has been hurt all year. OZ and Quez have a combined 14 catches all year. 

40 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That doesn't change the argument at all.  Hurts is in that conversation of 'highest paid' QBs.  As such, the expectation is that you get what you pay for.   

 

QBs are always under the most scrutiny, and that's why they get the most money.  It's a package deal.

Agreed…wasn’t trying to say otherwise….was just pointing out the new Mahomes deal, and the reality that it won’t really be that long before the Hurts contract is outside the top 10.  Things change fast in this league 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

But that in of itself is racial bias.  Hurts is taking too long to get through his progressions as exhibited in his time to throw metric, and has shown on several occasions the propensity to bail out of the pocket (early) to the right, even when he doesn't have any available targets on that side of the field.  He's making bad decisions and turning the ball over more.  He simply hasn't been as good as he was last season; I think there are a few factors at play there:

-- New offensive coordinator

-- physical health

-- NFL defenses adjusting to what Hurts does best, and taking some of those things away in their game planning

-- Unreasonable expectations that he should be an MVP frontrunner every year

 

One thing the coaches should be doing to help him out -- knowing he prefers to escape right -- is always have an available outlet target on a route to the short right.  Whether that should be the default check-down route for the blocking TE/RB, or something else, there has to be something available to Hurts in that zone of the field instead of just throwing the ball away.

I disagree with the first sentence, that's like reverse racism, but this isn't the place to debate that. I agree with a lot of the rest of what you said. It could be a couple of different things and is likely a combination of things.

I think Hurts is having trust issues, most obviously with his back-up TE, but also with the OL and to a degree himself and that is leading to wanting to wait to see guys open instead of throwing them open. He's gotten more pressure this year (injuries on OL) than he did last year and that is causing him to bail the pocket (early many times, hence the trust on the OL) and that increases that time to throw.

Also, I think the turnovers have got him not wanting to throw to spots and to wait for open players before he throws, that's the trusting himself/receivers part. We've seen some route disagreements this year that have caused incompletions and turnovers and that plays into it as well. Add all the stuff you said (which there is some overlap) and you get where we are. He's got to get better and trust his team before we get to the playoffs or we won't go anywhere.

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jordan Phillips is everything that's wrong with professional athletes.  Who was it that went over to the sidelines and got involved in an altercation with a fan?   Pretty sure he was the one making up stories about what the fan said.

Dishing it out has nothing to do with playing dirty.  He was absolutely playing dirty and doing what he did was 100% about trying to injure people.  There's plenty of injuries in football, we don't need a guy looking to create more.

 

And finally... its not Travis' podcast, if anything it goes the OTHER way.  It is Jason's podcast, with Travis.  And because he's not paid attention, he should know that Jason, even going all the way back to his rookie year, has ALWAYS had a voice.   When the fans were outside NovaCare giving Andy a hard time, it was Kelce and Evan Mathis that rose to Andy's defense.   

 

This guy is gutless, clueless and classless.   Trifecta of turdiness.

He's a cünt.

4 minutes ago, Eagz said:

He's a cünt.

A coworker told me she heard this British guy call his wife €untcakes and it’s my new favorite term 

 

3 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The problem is the drop-off after the top three targets in this offense. You obviously can't have pro-bowlers up and down the depth chart, but it's a severe decline after AJ, DeVonta, and Dallas. These guys aren't even serviceable, they're street free agents if they're not on this team. There's no middle-class it's just the elites and the impoverished. The leading receivers after those top three are Swift and Gainwell. OZ barely has over 100 yards and Quez has been hurt all year. OZ and Quez have a combined 14 catches all year. 

Yup. I am not asking for pro bowlers behind pro bowlers. But really Watkins, Oz, julio, Calcaterra and Stoll aren’t nearly good enough to be a serviceable 3rd option if goedert, smith or brown get hurt. It’s an issue. They need to draft and develop some guys or hit on some FA that want to win a ring and would come for less and still have some juice left.