2 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Hurts is much better than Wentz. His ball placement is almost elite. I just really think the OC/Coach need to get some plays in the bill for better timing/quick hits rather than 5 step drops every passing attempt. 
 

He’s look even better if we actually had any will to run the ball and setup real  play action and misdirection. 

Cool story bro

too bad its fictional 

3 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Hurts is much better than Wentz. His ball placement is almost elite. I just really think the OC/Coach need to get some plays in the bill for better timing/quick hits rather than 5 step drops every passing attempt. 
 

He’s look even better if we actually had any will to run the ball and setup real  play action and misdirection. 

Eagles RBs have to avg like 10 yards a carry for them to stick with it unfortunately.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Cool story bro

too bad its fictional 

That dime to AJ was beautiful you have to admit. Just a shame he dropped it.

15 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Especially with the weapons we have. There’s no way you don’t get one of AJ/Dallas/Smitty/Swift 1 on 1 with a bad matchup every pass play. 

Exactly my 2nd biggest gripe (1st one is not running it enough with the RBs before they're down 3 scores). No creativity to get these guys in mismatches. Even Eagles version of Andy Reid used to thrive on getting guys on mismatches especially with the RBs.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The "path" to winning out is a mile wide; the Eagles are playing four bad teams to finish their schedule.  The Seattle game is big because they've had zero success there for almost a generation, but they should win.  The last 3 games will be tough to lose, frankly.

The main issue is what happens at playoff time when the Eagles will likely have to win games vs DAL and SF to advance.

I wouldn’t call Seattle a bad team. They actually played waaaaay better than we did at Dallas and actually led the 49ers in the second quarter. Yeah, they lost, but they looked better than we did. Confidence level is in the basement and it’s not because they lost these two games, but the way they lost them. It puts the previous games they won into a more "negative” perspective… they got lucky at crucial moments in the game. 

35 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

If anything the offense isn't physical at all. There seems to be no power or aggressive running game, the WRs are afraid of contact and don't fight for the ball, the offense has no clue what to do against the blitz, etc.

The lack of hot reads is being brought up again, as this was an issue last year too. Is the idea that Jalen can bail on the pocket and run so there isn't the need for the hot read? If that's the case, Jalen can't run right now, at least not at that level. I'm more disappointed in the offense than anything. They have gone stale or the long season is impacting them.

While the defense hasn't been playing well, they are working with 3 ancient CB's, warm bodies at LB, and maybe 1 safety that isn't injured. This defense is so reliant on the DL that everything falls apart if they can't control the pocket. The DL hasn't been that great against the run post-bye. Before the bye only 1 team had more than 90 rushing yards against this defense. Since the bye, teams have rushed for 168, 173, 146, and 138 yards.

A lot of this falls back to the coaching staff. If the team is wearing down, why isn't there a better rotation in place?

Remember last year all of the film of Mailata and Dickerson just mauling guys downfield on running plays. Where is that this year? Why can't this OL generate push and dominate in the running game? What's the issue there? Miles Sanders averaged 5 YPC to the tune of nearly 1300 yards. 

I'm a huge Swift guy but something is just off with the entire running game. Nothing about it is working.

Swift, without his 2 huge games and has 517 yards averaging 3.8 YPC. Last year in Detroit he was at 5.5 YPC.

Gainewell is averaging 3.7 YPC. Last year he was at 4.5 YPC

Hurts is averaging 3.7 YPC. Last year he was at 4.6 YPC

Boston Scott is at 4.9 a tote but they don't give him the ball.

For the most part, the running game is producing 3.7 YPC behind "the best OL in the NFL". 

This

4 minutes ago, judunno said:

Wentz got more than banged up. He blew his knee out then watched a back up win a Superbowl MVP. He never recovered from that mentally.

I don't know. I think, mentally, Wentz is more similar to Hurts than we want to admit. Both have zero pocket presence, they bail way too early, and take unnecessary punishment trying to do too much. And it's a feedback loop they've both been sucked into. Wentz sensed pressure when there were clear opportunities to step up or stand tall in the pocket and he got brutalized by running into defenders... which made him even more antsy... which led to even more contact. There's an argument to be made that we're seeing the same thing from Hurts.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Remember last year all of the film of Mailata and Dickerson just mauling guys downfield on running plays. Where is that this year? Why can't this OL generate push and dominate in the running game? What's the issue there? Miles Sanders averaged 5 YPC to the tune of nearly 1300 yards. 

I'm a huge Swift guy but something is just off with the entire running game. Nothing about it is working.

Swift, without his 2 huge games and has 517 yards averaging 3.8 YPC. Last year in Detroit he was at 5.5 YPC.

Gainewell is averaging 3.7 YPC. Last year he was at 4.5 YPC

Hurts is averaging 3.7 YPC. Last year he was at 4.6 YPC

Boston Scott is at 4.9 a tote but they don't give him the ball.

For the most part, the running game is producing 3.7 YPC behind "the best OL in the NFL". 

This

Because running the ball well usually comes down to mentality and a willingness to stick to it, even when it doesn't work right away.   This team doesn't have that level of commitment to the running game.   And most really good running games get better as the game wears on and the defense gets worn down.   But, this team doesn't have the drive to want to do that.    We have seen them do it from time to time, but not consistently.   They did it against Minnesota week 2.   They did it against Miami.  But the instances have been few and far between.

9 minutes ago, judunno said:

Eagles RBs have to avg like 10 yards a carry for them to stick with it unfortunately.

I don’t even think that it makes a difference how good we run it. They want to be a passing team and want to show / prove it. Stubborn to a tee and apparently someone thinks it’s boring football to just line up and run it, regardless of the success.🤷‍♂️

The fumbles are coming from pressing due to a lack of rhythm by a fake o coordinator, the penalties on D are coming from pressing due to a fake d coord with a easy to pick up scheme that was disected on every Sunday show 

AJ dropped two dimes

I was confused by this whole KC/Mahomes thing about what they were complaining about. Out of all the poor calls we see on a weekly basis that would be justified in criticism, they choose the one that was blatantly and objectively a penalty. Like there isn't even a debate around it. It's not a questionable PI call where you can frame an argument and go back and forth. This was cut and dry an offsides call with Toney lined up way past where he is allowed. 

Then I realized that KC has gotten the benefit of doubts on calls throughout the years so much since Mahomes has been anointed as the new chosen one that he doesn't know how to process not getting the benefit of a call. It's like spoiling a kid for years and then telling him no. They don't know how to process that. It's basically the same thing here. 

12 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I wouldn’t call Seattle a bad team. They actually played waaaaay better than we did at Dallas and actually led the 49ers in the second quarter. Yeah, they lost, but they looked better than we did. Confidence level is in the basement and it’s not because they lost these two games, but the way they lost them. It puts the previous games they won into a more "negative” perspective… they got lucky at crucial moments in the game. 

You must not have watched the part of the game I did.  Deebo ran right past Jamal Adams (who is a liability more than 3 yards past the LOS, btw) for an easy TD, Drew Lock rolled right and, rather than take the easy 7-8 yard run, decided to saunter 2 yards past the LOS then throw across his body into traffic from his own 10-yard line -- such a poorly thrown pass his WR could hardly touch it.  Next possession he threw a pass right to the SF CB, which was somehow dropped.  He's not serviceable at all as a QB.

Even if Geno plays, just blitz him.  He's regressed to a larger extent than Hurts, and makes awful decisions under pressure.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Because running the ball well usually comes down to mentality and a willingness to stick to it, even when it doesn't work right away.   This team doesn't have that level of commitment to the running game.   And most really good running games get better as the game wears on and the defense gets worn down.   But, this team doesn't have the drive to want to do that.    We have seen them do it from time to time, but not consistently.   They did it against Minnesota week 2.   They did it against Miami.  But the instances have been few and far between.

Yeah it's this. This year we have a couple of games where we absolutely ran it down peoples throats, but most of the time we give up if the runner isn't getting big yards early and if we go one score down the pass run ratio goes all to hell.

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I was confused by this whole KC/Mahomes thing about what they were complaining about. Out of all the poor calls we see on a weekly basis that would be justified in criticism, they choose the one that was blatantly and objectively a penalty. Like there isn't even a debate around it. It's not a questionable PI call where you can frame an argument and go back and forth. This was cut and dry an offsides call with Toney lined up way past where he is allowed. 

Then I realized that KC has gotten the benefit of doubts on calls throughout the years so much since Mahomes has been anointed as the new chosen one that he doesn't know how to process not getting the benefit of a call. It's like spoiling a kid for years and then telling him no. They don't know how to process that. It's basically the same thing here. 

Not only complaining but throwing complete hissy fits on the sideline. Toney lined up offsides, there's nothing to question. His foot is hiding the entire football! THAT's the play they decide to throw absolute tantrums over? Makes no sense.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Because running the ball well usually comes down to mentality and a willingness to stick to it, even when it doesn't work right away.   This team doesn't have that level of commitment to the running game.   And most really good running games get better as the game wears on and the defense gets worn down.   But, this team doesn't have the drive to want to do that.    We have seen them do it from time to time, but not consistently.   They did it against Minnesota week 2.   They did it against Miami.  But the instances have been few and far between.

There's more to it with this offense than just the run/pass ratio. Teams are defending this offense the same way Howie views his philosophy on defense, other teams are just executing better at it: not giving up the big play, being content when the offense runs the ball, forcing the offense to go on 10-15 play drives and earn a TD by converting in the red zone, and banking on a penalty or turnover to end the drive. That's how teams are playing the Eagles offense now and they're playing right into defense's hands by shooting themselves in the foot with turnovers, settling for field goals, or committing a penalty that backs them into 1st/2nd and 15-20 yardage that is insurmountable to convert. 

Running the ball wouldn't have changed anything the past two weeks. How about they start scheming guys open in the passing game for a change and maybe the pass game would work better? Seattle was able to throw it all day on Dallas. With a worse offense, worse line, worse QB. How about they stop turning the ball over? How about you don't drop passes all game? How about Hurts stops bailing the pocket every time he sees pressure? Good offenses should be able to beat you with multiple styles.

Pretty cut and dry. Pretty sure they even mentioned on the broadcast, receivers typically look at the sideline official to make sure they’re lined up correctly. They said Toney failed to do so. Just like Agholor did in Seattle in 2016. One was too far back, the other too far forward. Coincidentally, both errors wiped out TDs scored on the play. 

While we're speaking of offsides, the call on the push tush conversion was horse dookie. No one was offsides or remotely close to being offsides. It felt like the refs said well, they can't just keep making it look this easy, they must be doing something wrong. The way Tirico talked about it and brushed it off afterwards was equally infuriating. 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Running the ball wouldn't have changed anything the past two weeks. 

It absolutely would've. Let's put aside the scheme stuff and how it would open up the passing game. Running the ball, even when it's not working well, shortens the game and reduces the amount of snaps your **** ass defense has to play. It keeps the score low and more often than not the game won't be over by halftime.

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

It absolutely would've. Let's put aside the scheme stuff and how it would open up the passing game. Running the ball, even when it's not working well, shortens the game and reduces the amount of snaps your **** ass defense has to play. It keeps the score low and more often than not the game won't be over by halftime.

It wouldn't have. It wasn't working so their drives would have just ended quicker and the Cowboys and Niners would've went right down the field and scored at will because the defense is that bad.

4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

It absolutely would've. Let's put aside the scheme stuff and how it would open up the passing game. Running the ball, even when it's not working well, shortens the game and reduces the amount of snaps your **** ass defense has to play. It keeps the score low and more often than not the game won't be over by halftime.

The other thing that reduces the amount of snaps your defense plays is them actually getting off the field. Both of the last two games were basically lost by halftime, the San Fran game after the first possession of the third quarter. The turnovers killed the offense last night. They were moving the ball fine for the most part, but drops also contributed and AJ's PI call on the Goedert play probably took seven points off the board. But that game was over by halftime last night because the defense got steamrolled in the first half. Running the ball doesn't change that. 

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You must not have watched the part of the game I did.  Deebo ran right past Jamal Adams (who is a liability more than 3 yards past the LOS, btw) for an easy TD, Drew Lock rolled right and, rather than take the easy 7-8 yard run, decided to saunter 2 yards past the LOS then throw across his body into traffic from his own 10-yard line -- such a poorly thrown pass his WR could hardly touch it.  Next possession he threw a pass right to the SF CB, which was somehow dropped.  He's not serviceable at all as a QB.

Even if Geno plays, just blitz him.  He's regressed to a larger extent than Hurts, and makes awful decisions under pressure.

You’re right, I don’t really have anything when it comes to the 49ers game, as I didn’t watch it. I was just going of the score and that they had a lead in the 2nd quarter. I’m not saying they are that good, but all things considered they’re probably good enough to beat us right now.🙈

23 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Pretty cut and dry. Pretty sure they even mentioned on the broadcast, receivers typically look at the sideline official to make sure they’re lined up correctly. They said Toney failed to do so. Just like Agholor did in Seattle in 2016. One was too far back, the other too far forward. Coincidentally, both errors wiped out TDs scored on the play. 

He's looking right at the ball too, and should see that he's way too far up.    Look at the difference between him and the WR on the opposite side.... and the OGs... and the OTs.  

Football 101... know how to line up to start the play.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

While we're speaking of offsides, the call on the push tush conversion was horse dookie. No one was offsides or remotely close to being offsides. It felt like the refs said well, they can't just keep making it look this easy, they must be doing something wrong. The way Tirico talked about it and brushed it off afterwards was equally infuriating. 

And Hurts getting hit when he slid and was clearly on the ground should have been called-though Lane didn't get called for an obvious hold on that same play.  But QBs are not supposed to take a hit once they slide