8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I look at it this way, one of those guys goes down, the eagles are completely incompetent behind them. Goedert gets hurt for 3 games, eagles lose 1/3 of their pass catchers and the entire position is nonexistent. Meanwhile ravens lost andrews. I’d argue they’re best playmaker and pass catcher on offense. Now their backup is never going to step in and be andrews. But Isaiah likely plays decently and competently. So you don’t just entirely lose that position and take it out of the offense.

This offseason they should address upgrading their no. 3 wr and backup TE. cause at some point in time being over-reliant on 3 guys is gonna get you with an injury. And the guys behind them don’t have to be world beaters. Just average would be a significant upgrade.  

Sure, we’ve established that depth is good.

But they were not incompetent without DG.

They won 2 out of 3 games, and the one they lost really was not because of his absence.

29 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Sure, we’ve established that depth is good.

But they were not incompetent without DG.

They won 2 out of 3 games, and the one they lost really was not because of his absence.

Tight end position is definitely incompetent. They had 2 catches for 17 yards in those 3 games. They were complete non-factors in those games. Teams wanted you to throw to them cause they aren’t good. And they were bad on offense for large portions of games. Gonna tell me taking away 1 of your 3 guys you target and replace them with below average to bad players isn’t gonna have an effect? First half against KC (even second half the eagles weren’t consistent. They had 6 possessions they punted on 4 [3 of them were 3 and out] and scored two tds). First half against the bills. Their offense was bad in the red zone in the first quarter where they missed goedert against SF and after the 1st quarter the eagles had 1 td drive before the game was in garbage time. 2 games and 3 quarters before his injury they had scored in every quarter of those games. During that 3 game stretch, they struggled to consistently find themselves on offense for major portions of games.  

strictly tight end in the pass game, they were useless and incompetent. They were non-factors. Offensively not incompetent but VERY inconsistent. I’m not naive enough to believe losing one of your 3 reliable targets and replacing it with below average players of Stoll/Albert O/calceterra didn’t have something to do it or having to using Watkins more with goedert out

Also we all should send MVS a gift basket for Xmas cause his incompetency is a major contributing factor in winning that game.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tight end position was definitely incompetent. They had 2 catches for 17 yards in those 3 games. Teams wanted you to throw to them cause they aren’t good. And they were bad on offense for large portions of games. Gonna tell me taking away 1 of your 3 guys you target and replace them with below average to bad players isn’t gonna have an effect? A half against KC. A half against the bills. Their offense was bad in the red zone in the first quarter where they missed goedert against SF and after the 1st quarter the eagles had 1 td drive before the game was in garbage time. 2 games and 3 quarters before his injury they had scored in every quarter of those games. After that they struggled to consistently find themselves on offense.  

strictly tight end in the pass game, they were useless and incompetent. Offensively not incompetent but VERY inconsistent. I’m not naive enough to believe losing one of your big 3 targets and replacing it with below average players of Stoll/Albert O/calceterra didn’t have something to do it.

Also we all should send MVS a gift basket for Xmas cause his incompetency is a major contributing factor in winning that game.

I don’t know how many times you want me to acknowledge the point about depth.

We would all love to have it, it would be a very nice luxury (a luxury that no team has at every position with a salary cap), but hey, I hope they add to the positions.

But even if they do add better depth, they still will not change drastically how they feed their elite pass catchers, nor should they.

1 hour ago, judunno said:

Punter threw him that ball lol.

But he didn’t even play QB in high school! 🤯

His freakbeastness knows no bounds 

55 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

I don’t know how many times you want me to acknowledge the point about depth.

We would all love to have it, it would be a very nice luxury (a luxury that no team has at every position with a salary cap), but hey, I hope they add to the positions.

But even if they do add better depth, they still will not change drastically how they feed their elite pass catchers, nor should they.

no crap they aren’t going to drastically change it. Again where was that my argument? It wasn’t  

You act like other teams with high cap numbers to Qb and other highly paid players don’t have better quality depth and backups than quez, julio, Stoll, Calcaterra and Albert O. Chargers paying herbert, Allen, Williams, ekeler and Everett. Yet have Joshua Palmer as their number 3 WR who’s solid. Seahawks paying geno, DK, Lockett and yet have jsn and bobo who are competent behind them. Bobo is better than Watkins and is a rookie. Rams laying Stafford, kupp and Donald a loooot of money. Yet they have kupp, atwell and nacua (and have robinson and van Jefferson before dealing him). I can go into more teams if you’d like me too. There’s more then you realize that have quality depth due to better player development, scouting the league and mid round drafting over the years. Eagles since 2016 at those two particular positions have really not done well besides goedert and smith.

im guessing Watkins is likely bottom 5 no. 3 WRs in the league. And eagles backup tight ends is likely bottom half (I’d argue it’s likely worse than that). It’s not a luxury to have competent depth behind them. It’s that the eagles have done a poor job developing and/or drafting guys behind them at those positions. 

Here are some eye popping Eagles Defensive stats:

Eagles defense total yards 22nd

Eagles RedZone defense 30th

Eagles 3rd down defense 32nd. 
 

 

Sheesh. 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

no crap they aren’t going to drastically change it. Again where was that my argument? It wasn’t  

You act like other teams with high cap numbers to Qb and other highly paid players don’t have better quality depth and backups than quez, julio, Stoll, Calcaterra and Albert O. Chargers paying herbert, Allen, Williams, ekeler and Everett. Yet have Joshua Palmer as their number 3 WR who’s compete. Seahawks paying geno, DK, Lockett and yet have jsn and bobo who are competent behind them. I can go into more teams if you’d like me too. There’s more then you realize that have quality depth due to better player development and mid round drafting over the years 

im guessing Watkins is likely bottom 5 no. 3 WRs in the league. And eagles backup tight ends is likely bottom half (I’d argue it’s likely worse than that). It’s not a luxury to have competent depth behind them. It’s that the eagles have done a poor job developing and drafting guys behind them. That’s the reason they don’t have it. 

MY point, that you originally responded to, was about the people complaining about the Eagles throwing too much to their elite guys.

Then you spent the last hour making it a debate about depth (to which I’ve mostly agreed).

Sure there are other teams that have better 3rd WRs. But every team has to prioritize positions and groups.

You only get so many draft picks and so much money to spend. No NFL team has depth at every position.

7 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Here are some eye popping Eagles Defensive stats:

Eagles defense total yards 22nd

Eagles RedZone defense 30th

Eagles 3rd down defense 32nd. 
 

 

Sheesh. 

Don’t worry about this stuff….we need a backup TE.

37 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

MY point, that you originally responded to, was about the people complaining about the Eagles throwing too much to their elite guys.

Then you spent the last hour making it a debate about depth (to which I’ve mostly agreed).

Sure there are other teams that have better 3rd WRs. But every team has to prioritize positions and groups.

You only get so many draft picks and so much money to spend. No NFL team has depth at every position.

It’s not just the draft. You think some of these teams are building quality depth at those positions just draft? It’s scouting the league. Not let’s cut and bring back Greg ward to the PS 50 times. Go bring someone else in and try develop him. Don’t keep bringing back the same player who you know isn’t that guy.     

If you want to keep making excuses for them I’m not buying the BS. Since 2016, the only two players the eagles have developed or brought in that’s been good at TE and WR has been goedert and smith. And they’ve at least thrown resources at wr to have more than 1 competent and reliable nfl WR over that time. Another reason they lack depth is cause they rather bring back quez for a 4th year and him making $2 mil when he showed last year he wasn’t good enough. Even if they didn’t use the money from quez on backup Wr or TE, the money could’ve been used bette elsewhere. 

10 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Don’t worry about this stuff….we need a backup TE.

Yeas of course we can’t solve two problems. Cause competent backup tight end is clearly way too expensive and resource consuming…

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s not just the draft. You think some of these teams are building quality depth at those positions just draft? It’s scouting the league. Not let’s cut and bring back Greg ward to the PS 50 times.

If you want to keep making excuses for them I’m not buying the BS. Since 2016, the only two players the eagles have developed or brought in that’s been good at TE and WR has been goedert and smith. And they’ve at least thrown resources at wr to have more then 1 competent and reliable nfl WR over that time. 

lol you’re really struggling here.

Last time, we agree that better depth is the goal. 

However, there’s a reason that no NFL team has 53 elite players. It’s simply not possible. So yes, keep upgrading where you reasonably can, but backup TE is not a higher priority than LB, S, CB, etc. 

So, if they can reasonably find one, and it doesn’t take away from bringing in other, more important needs….then go for it!

But, even if that happens, they have 3 ELITE pass catchers, and they will still catch the vast majority of balls….as they should.

Now, go ahead and have the last word, it seems very important to you.

29 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

lol you’re really struggling here.

Last time, we agree that better depth is the goal. 

However, there’s a reason that no NFL team has 53 elite players. It’s simply not possible. So yes, keep upgrading where you reasonably can, but backup TE is not a higher priority than LB, S, CB, etc. 

So, if they can reasonably find one, and it doesn’t take away from bringing in other, more important needs….then go for it!

But, even if that happens, they have 3 ELITE pass catchers, and they will still catch the vast majority of balls….as they should.

Now, go ahead and have the last word, it seems very important to you.

Ironic. Kettle meet pot.

Again, where the F did I say it was a highest priority or a higher priority then those positions? You keep making arguments i didn’t say or bring up. JFC. Other teams aren’t making it top priority. However, there’s still going out and do it. You just keep making Bs excuses about why they can’t and haven’t and why it shouldn’t matter. 

here’s my priority list of what they should do this offseason  

1. lb

2. corner 

3. pass rush

4. Long term lane replacement 

5. depth along the interior oline 

6. backup WR

7. Backup TE

bur according to you it’s hopeless to do all 7 of those due to salary cap and/or draft pick constraints. It’s gonna be too financially and/or draft capital crippling to upgrade our backup WRs and TEs. We totally should just keep ignoring it until it eventually catches up to us. 

 

50 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

At least half our old players are terrible, so at least there’s that.  

51 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

We're in a rebuild/reload folks.... enjoy 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

At least half our old players are terrible, so at least there’s that.  

I’d add they are mostly on the defensive side. 

6 minutes ago, judunno said:

We're in a rebuild/reload folks.... enjoy 

I love being this good while in that process, if that were actually truly what is happening. Wouldnt have it any other way. Some teams sink to the bottom for years while re-building. We stay super bowl contenders. Thats why Howie is the best GM in the league.

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

My ranking of where I think he lands.

 

1) Bills

2) Chargers

3) Bears

 

Top 3 options for him I think.  

3 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This is a major part of the problem with the offense now.  Hurts is forcing throws downfield.  It isn't just the play calls.  It's the decisions our QB is making. 

 

Orlovsky is obviously a racist...

 

 

...according to Sheil.

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Next defensive coordinator 

2 hours ago, judunno said:

We're in a rebuild/reload folks.... enjoy 

If we’re in rebuild mode with a borderline Pro Bowl roster on offense then we’re in a lot worse trouble than I thought.  Granted our defense isn’t good - our D line is decent.
 

 If we can’t win with this roster; they should fire the entire coaching staff.  (Other than Stoutland, He’s here for life) No joke.  If our defense gives up 30 pints a game, we should be scoring 40 with this much talent on offense. 

 

Ask yourselves, what would an Andy Reid coaching staff do with this team?  Then go from there. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If we’re in rebuild mode with a borderline Pro Bowl roster on offense then we’re in a lot worse trouble than I thought.  Granted our defense isn’t good - our D line is decent.
 

 If we can’t win with this roster; they should fire the entire coaching staff.  (Other than Stoutland, He’s here for life) No joke.  If our defense gives up 30 pints a game, we should be scoring 40 with this much talent on offense. 

 

Ask yourselves, what would an Andy Reid coaching staff do with this team?  Then go from there. 

Defense is where all of the age is. Mostly patch work vets while they get the young guys up to speed. Started the rebuilding of the DL. I suspect secondary is next. Offense has Lane and Kelce aging out but just about fully rebuilt. Disappointing part about the offense is the lack of creativity from the plans and play design. Is there enough there to challenge for a title? I would say yes. I've seen worse teams win Superbowls it's a matter of getting hot at the right time. Defense just has to be mid and they have a shot. Can't be bottoms.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I would totally bring him in - we would just need to hire a great offensive coordinator.  He would immediately …and I mean immediately catapult this to a top 10 defense in the NFL.    

As long as he was willing to let the offensive coordinator handle the entire offense, play calling, players, etc, I would, without question, inquire, if we don’t at least make it to the NFCCG (and even that would need to be close game)

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

Defense is where all of the age is. Mostly patch work vets while they get the young guys up to speed. Started the rebuilding of the DL. I suspect secondary is next. Offense has Lane and Kelce aging out but just about fully rebuilt. Disappointing part about the offense is the lack of creativity from the plans and play design. Is there enough there to challenge for a title? I would say yes. I've seen worse teams win Superbowls it's a matter of getting hot at the right time. Defense just has to be mid and they have a shot. Can't be bottoms.

I get all that.  But with this offense, we shouldn’t be worried about the defense and a piece or two on the O Line.

My issue is that this offense should be scoring 30+ points a game, with their eyes closed.  No more excuses.