2 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing if he can be the 3rd WR. Although I’m still not changing the target distribution much either way.

3 things that are much more important than 3rd WR or backup TE:

       1. Hurts taking what’s there…short routes that are open / check down to backs, etc

       2. Better route design by the coaches

       3. Stop effing fumbling

If you don’t fix those things first, a 3rd WR doesn’t make a lick of difference.

I also have been banging the table for them to activate and play Penny, but c’est la vie I suppose.

I posted about roster spots yesterday and it's something that's been overlooked way too long. Specifically WR3-5 and ST. 

The Eagles WR3-6 (Quez, Oz, Julio and Covey) and RB3 (Boston Scott) have a combined 790 snaps on offense. 24 catches for 261 yards 3 TDs. 16 carries for 78 yards. 254 ST snaps with 22 PR for 313 Yards and 5 KR for 134 yards.

Let's compare that to the Cowboys and KaVontae Turpin. He's WR4 in Dallas but ALSO their PR and KR.

Turpin has played 119 offensive snaps and 91 ST snaps. He has 11 catches for 123 yards and 3 TDs. 9 carries for 101 yards and 1 TD. He has 11 PR for 73 yards and 7 KR for 220 yards.

How about the Dolphins? Braxton Berrios is WR4, PR and KR.

Berrios has played 348 snaps on offense and 108 on ST. 22 catches for 202 yards and 1 TD. 17 PR for 150 yards and 15 KR for 367 yards.

Essentially, the Cowboys and Dolphins have 1 player on their rosters doing what the Eagles have 3 or 4 doing.

If the Eagles insist on running the passing game through the top 3 guys, they need to make sure the rest can contribute some other way and they aren't. I'd also be interested to see what the Eagles philosophy on KR is. I know KR is way down but it looks like they've only returned 5 all year. Lastly, Julio Jones is wasting a roster spot.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

I've been noticing the same thing,  and, probably there are a lot of typings about star to star by me.  

The Eagles need to swing away from that at least for a bit because the stars are getting tired.  

Yeah man Vansumeran at slot WR is the answer 

If they're so driven by analytics...

 

14 hours ago, judunno said:

Brown dropped that first ball... it was right in his hands.  Couldn't hand it to him any better.

Yep, bad example to start with. He dropped it right in there and AJ just F'ed it up. Would've been no different than if he tried to throw the dig and it gets dropped too.

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If they're so driven by analytics...

 

Stats like this are dumb. When you are protecting a lead that you gained in the first place with the passing game, of course you're gonna be inclined to run the ball more. Especially if you carry that lead into the 4th qtr. The point still stands, but it's a dumb way to justify the argument. Classic example of correlation =/= causation.

At a high level.

The O needs more disguise/movement and Hurts needs to be less stubborn on taking low percentage shots.  Schematically, they maybe stuck in a place where they are doing what works for Jalen, but it's creating a bland system that is limiting variety. Running the ball is an easy addition to reduce pressure on the QB and make the opposition break the formations that are working - Penny may as well be on holiday in Caribbean right now. The odd throw to OZ or Stoll will do a similar thing, even if it's not completed.  Turnovers should be a big reminder every single day until the preventable ones are reduced.

The D needs to have continuity of personnel and reduce snap counts on older players before they breakdown with an injury.  The LBs are struggling and I do think Desai needs to find a sweet spot where Morrow is hidden a little at times. if it's in the stands, so be it. 

Overall. The team 10-3, so while the last 2 weeks have been crap, the talent hasn't gone. Just needs to execute better

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Stats like this are dumb. When you are protecting a lead that you gained in the first place with the passing game, of course you're gonna be inclined to run the ball more. Especially if you carry that lead into the 4th qtr. The point still stands, but it's a dumb way to justify the argument. Classic example of correlation =/= causation.

Ok. But I just want them to run the ball man. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Ok. But I just want them to run the ball man. 

Me and you both.

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

If this is your overated list

would love to see what sitcoms you think were good and underrated? 

Nobody else does. 

Every Season has it's ups and downs. They are 10-3 after Losing the Super Bowl.  It puts things into perspective.  4 more games to go.  This is a week to week league.  The #1 Seed and Division are still right there for the taking. The Boys and 49ers haven't locked up the #1 seed yet and have tough matchups in the next 4 weeks.   Seattle may be on a 4 game losing streak but are still a good team.   They must bounce back this week.   

13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Stats like this are dumb. When you are protecting a lead that you gained in the first place with the passing game, of course you're gonna be inclined to run the ball more. Especially if you carry that lead into the 4th qtr. The point still stands, but it's a dumb way to justify the argument. Classic example of correlation =/= causation.

Totally agree. Stats like this don’t mean much other than it tells you if they had a lead or not in games.

For me it's 75% defense and 25% offense.

It puts an enormous amount of stress on an offense when the opposition is scoring 6, 7 times in a row.

The issues on offense are easy to identify, and thus are correctable.

Defense, Im beginning to worry if we just don't have the horses.  And the ones we do, it doesn't seem like they know how to use them.

They can't get Jalen Carter or Reddick isolated in a pass rush (think of what a Spags could do).  They can't iron out the coverage breakdowns.  They're telegraphing everything.  They can't get the LBs going down hill. I think that's the side of the ball that ends our season.

Who is starting Geno or Lock ?

4 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Who is starting Geno or Lock ?

I don't think anyone knows yet. I guess we'll find out if Geno Smith will practice either today or tomorrow and go from there.

My favourite part of that Orlovsky video is the first throw he highlights is an AJ Brown drop that would have set us up with 1st and goal.

46 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Stats like this are dumb. When you are protecting a lead that you gained in the first place with the passing game, of course you're gonna be inclined to run the ball more. Especially if you carry that lead into the 4th qtr. The point still stands, but it's a dumb way to justify the argument. Classic example of correlation =/= causation.

Thank you. And Hurts had just 27 attempts. It was a 55/45 split in an ass kicking. We didn’t need to run more. 

Run the ball, better. If anything. 

19 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

For me it's 75% defense and 25% offense.

It puts an enormous amount of stress on an offense when the opposition is scoring 6, 7 times in a row.

The issues on offense are easy to identify, and thus are correctable.

Defense, Im beginning to worry if we just don't have the horses.  And the ones we do, it doesn't seem like they know how to use them.

They can't get Jalen Carter or Reddick isolated in a pass rush (think of what a Spags could do).  They can't iron out the coverage breakdowns.  They're telegraphing everything.  They can't get the LBs going down hill. I think that's the side of the ball that ends our season.

I am likely wrong, but from the couch perspective, we seem like a team that leans on really good players making one on one plays.  It's not a bad strategy against lesser quality opponents,  but a frustrating strategy against teams with equal talent at the key battles.  On offense and defense I think we would all like to see the coaches getting our top players in positions against the those they can handle.  On offense, getting our WRs on Safeties and LBs, our Oline on LBs and safeties, getting Swift the ball in space where he excels.  On D, having Slay follow the top receiver rather than letting movement dictate the match-up, having our top rushers getting freed up against the weak link on a line, making sure RBs aren't left all alone as an outlet for the QB all the time.

8 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

For me it's 75% defense and 25% offense.

It puts an enormous amount of stress on an offense when the opposition is scoring 6, 7 times in a row.

The issues on offense are easy to identify, and thus are correctable.

Defense, Im beginning to worry if we just don't have the horses.  And the ones we do, it doesn't seem like they know how to use them.

They can't get Jalen Carter or Reddick isolated in a pass rush (think of what a Spags could do).  They can't iron out the coverage breakdowns.  They're telegraphing everything.  They can't get the LBs going down hill. I think that's the side of the ball that ends our season.

Both sides share an equal amount of the blame.

The offense hasn't done squat the last 2 games. In their last 18 drives, they have 2 TDs. They are struggling to put the ball in the endzone and can't string together long drives to give the defense a rest.

The defense is what it is talent wise, but the scheme isn't helping either. The defense is playing way too many snaps, but that's in part because they can't get teams off the field on 3rd down. The defense is centered around the DL, and if they can't get home the whole thing falls apart. At this point they have warm bodies at LB and outside of Blankenship and Brown, the DBs are all ancient. Opposing teams just need to focus on the DL to neutralize them and their other players can easily beat the Eagles back 7 one on one.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Thank you. And Hurts had just 27 attempts. It was a 55/45 split in an ass kicking. We didn’t need to run more. 

When he's not seeing the field well or we're struggling to give him time, I'm not opposed to leaning on the running game more. Or at least some designd swing passes or screens. Anything to get the ball into Swift's hands more.

40 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Stats like this are dumb. When you are protecting a lead that you gained in the first place with the passing game, of course you're gonna be inclined to run the ball more. Especially if you carry that lead into the 4th qtr. The point still stands, but it's a dumb way to justify the argument. Classic example of correlation =/= causation.

I agree.  BUT, even so, they needed to run the ball more.  Not because of the 23 carry thing, but because they needed to shorten the game and help the defense have to face fewer snaps.   After the Bills game, the running game should have been used to complement the defense's vulnerability/fatigue.    The play calling, especially once the 49ers game started to get out of hand, should have been used more to protect the defense to help them be ready to play the Cowboys, who were also going to be well rested.   And to a certain extent... should have been done in the Cowboys game as well.

 

 

22 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

Every Season has it's ups and downs. They are 10-3 after Losing the Super Bowl.  It puts things into perspective.  4 more games to go.  This is a week to week league.  The #1 Seed and Division are still right there for the taking. The Boys and 49ers haven't locked up the #1 seed yet and have tough matchups in the next 4 weeks.   Seattle may be on a 4 game losing streak but are still a good team.   They must bounce back this week.   

Pete Carroll has been the Seahawks coach for 14 years and this is the first time they've ever lost 4 straight. The Eagles have lost 3 straight under Sirianni once. So do we think the chances are greater that the Seahawks lose 5 straight for the first time ever under Pete Carroll, who has never lost 5 straight in his coaching career, or that the Eagles lose 3 straight for the 2nd time under Sirianni?

During that 4 game losing streak, they've lost to the Rams 17-16, the  49ers twice, 31-13 and 28-16 and also lost to the Cowboys 35-41. I don't watch their games but just by the scores alone, it would appear they are putting up a better effort than the Eagles over the last 2 games, especially considering they had Drew Lock playing their last game. The fact alone that Drew Lock had half a week to prepare for the 49ers and kept the team closer than the Eagles could is alarming.  The Seahawks always seem to battle, even in losses. The Eagles are coming off two of their worst efforts I've ever seen, no matter the coach.

Interesting article from Sirianni's 1st year after a 3 game losing streak. Seems like the team is facing similar issues

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/eagles-enduring-plenty-of-growing-pains-under-nick-sirianni/ 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

When he's not seeing the field well or we're struggling to give him time, I'm not opposed to leaning on the running game more. Or at least some designd swing passes or screens. Anything to get the ball into Swift's hands more.

When he's not doing well, they need to also find EASIER reads and EASIER throws.   They don't seem to know how to do that.

What I find most frustrating about this Eagles' offense is that there are games where we'll call no easy plays. Then there will be other games where that is seemingly all we'll call (all those WR screens vs. the Chiefs).

Look at the 2nd image. Who exactly is Hurts supposed to throw the ball too if it's a blitz? The lack of hot routes have been an issue for 3 years!

10 minutes ago, RLC said:

What I find most frustrating about this Eagles' offense is that there are games where we'll call no easy plays. Then there will be other games where that is seemingly all we'll call (all those WR screens vs. the Chiefs).

Look at the 2nd image. Who exactly is Hurts supposed to throw the ball too if it's a blitz? The lack of hot routes have been an issue for 3 years!

The back. He should be able to see the S is manned up just before the snap and he's well off the LOS. Might only be a 4 or 5 yd pick up by the time he closes, but assuming it's not 3rd and long here, you take the easy yards if they're giving em to you.