44 minutes ago, judunno said:

If the Eagles don't run the ball well to keep that Seattle offense of the field I'm going to be pissed. I just watched a 190lb soak and wet Cook run all over Dallas smh.

Easy now, Lurie and Howie don’t like running the ball, Nick has to make sure to make them happy or else he’ll be in the booth with Desai.

26 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The vikings game, where they ran the ball was a good game plan well executed.

Not sure what happened after that game?

They were so dominant running the ball and its not like minnny has a trash D.

Eagles owned both trenches in that game and for whatever stupid reason have gotten further and further away from that game plan.

Is this around when Hurts got banged up and teams figured out he's not running anymore? They need more run concepts. Everything can't gravitate around Hurts' ability to run. Haven't had a 100 yard rusher since what Week 3. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To the tired point, sweat is already over 600 snaps this year as compared to last year he was under. They really lack the quality depth they had last year. At DT could go hargrave, Cox, suh, Joseph, Davis and Williams. This year you have Carter, Williams, Davis, cox and tui. The depth ain’t nearly as good. I’d argue Williams was playing at a higher level last year. Pass rushing they have sweat, reddick and graham. Graham is solid but not like he was last year.  They frankly don’t have the quality depth they had last year. I also think hargrave pass rush is not a small loss even with Carter. As great as Carter is and how he’s going to be an all pro type player, hargrave is a pro bowler who’s done it for 17 games plus playoffs. 

I think it's a combination.  You're right from another post where Davis didn't play that many snaps last year and was hurt.  It was also a concern in the draft that Davis didn't play every down in GA and conditioning would be an issue.  Williams and Cox have both missed time this year so they weren't able to rotate as much.  So Davis and Carter had to play majority of snaps at times due to injury.

On top of that though, the entire defense has been tired.  They played a lot of snaps in the Bills OT game, then had to play the 49ers and Cowboys (on the road) at the end of their "gauntlet" where both teams had extra days rest.  The entire team hit a wall in a sense.  We'll see how they come out tonight.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Only problem would be if the 49ers also win, they likely flex their game into the same slot as ours week 18. So do you rest the starters and concede the #1 seed, or try to win and hope the 49ers lose?

You can pretty much guarantee that the NFL will do just that.   They ALWAYS do.     They want teams playing the final week, not resting starters for the playoffs.

 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Only problem would be if the 49ers also win, they likely flex their game into the same slot as ours week 18. So do you rest the starters and concede the #1 seed, or try to win and hope the 49ers lose?

Good point and question. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You can pretty much guarantee that the NFL will do just that.   They ALWAYS do.     They want teams playing the final week, not resting starters for the playoffs.

Yup. Both teams don't even set times yet as it is so you know they will schedule them together in that scenario. 

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I think it's a combination.  You're right from another post where Davis didn't play that many snaps last year and was hurt.  It was also a concern in the draft that Davis didn't play every down in GA and conditioning would be an issue.  Williams and Cox have both missed time this year so they weren't able to rotate as much.  So Davis and Carter had to play majority of snaps at times due to injury.

On top of that though, the entire defense has been tired.  They played a lot of snaps in the Bills OT game, then had to play the 49ers and Cowboys (on the road) at the end of their "gauntlet" where both teams had extra days rest.  The entire team hit a wall in a sense.  We'll see how they come out tonight.

Also think you faced 3 top 5 offenses in a row. And 3 top 6 dvoa offenses in a row. I’m not saying other teams wouldn’t have looked somewhat better. Likely would like Buffalo at home vs. Dallas looked great. Looked bad against the eagles giving up 37 and 29 to New England. but I’m guessing a lot of defenses likely aren’t looking very good given that situation of that gauntlet and then also facing Sf on 10 days rest and Dallas on 10 days rest. Desai didn’t do a good enough job. Why i said fire him i don’t care. However have a tough time believing when they run into Sf and potentially Dallas (on road. not so much at home— different offense on road) in the playoffs they won’t have some of the same issues vs. those offenses. Like give Patricia a chance, that’s fine. However his last 5 seasons as a DC and HC of lions his defensive dvoa ranks were 16th, 31st, 28th, 32nd and 24th. Currently the eagles sit 20th in dvoa defense. So I’m not expecting as much as others especially when he isnt bringing have belichick with him. I think getting maddox back is the biggest improvement they are gonna get. And that depends on how long he stays healthy. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I’d add fangio and Miami have only faced 2 dvoa offenses in the top 10. Gave up 31 and 48 to the eagles and bills. Been saying this for a while, it’s good against bad and mediocre QBs. But when you face better QBs and offenses it tends to struggle  as they are good enough to slowly move it down the field and capitalize in the red zone. It’s essentially the issue Gannon had for his time with the eagles against good offenses. Think the league has caught up to it and it’s not nearly as effective as just 3-5 years ago 

31 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

That or a bad stomach virus. I'm guessing the later.

I dunno. A stomach virus is a stomach virus and they usually just say it. I never heard someone describe a stomach virus as "not a cold, and not the flu, but flu like symptoms". The way they are dancing around it makes me think they are being very selective to avoid bad PR now that they don't test or hold players out because of it.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also think you faced 3 top 5 offenses in a row. And 3 top 6 dvoa offenses in a row. I’m not saying other teams wouldn’t have looked somewhat better. Likely would like Buffalo at home vs. Dallas looked great. Looked bad against the eagles giving up 37 and 29 to New England. but I’m guessing a lot of defenses likely aren’t looking very good given that situation of that gauntlet and then also facing Sf on 10 days rest and Dallas on 10 days rest. Desai didn’t do a good enough job. Why i said fire him i don’t care. However have a tough time believing when they run into Sf and potentially Dallas (on road. not so much at home— different offense on road) in the playoffs they won’t have some of the same issues vs. those offenses. Like give Patricia a chance, that’s fine. However his last 5 seasons as a DC and HC of lions his dvoa ranks were 16th, 31st, 28th, 32nd and 24th. Currently the eagles sit 20th in dvoa defense. So I’m not expecting as much as others especially when he isnt bringing have belichick with him. I think getting maddox back is the biggest improvement they are gonna get. And that depends on how long he stays healthy. 

The upside would come if Patricia can just make them average on 3rd down by mixing up calls, bringing pressure, playing tighter coverage, etc. Getting off the field on 3rd down will limit the snaps played and hopefully allow guys like Davis and Carter to stay fresher. As much as we liked to whine about Schwartz at times, he loved to bring pressure on 3rd and long, force an underneath throw and make the tackle. Desai always played soft, allowed the QB to escape the pocket (undisciplined rush and no linebackers to fill), and eventually the coverage broke down. 

I think we see more aggression on 3rd down to get off the field.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also think you faced 3 top 5 offenses in a row. And 3 top 6 dvoa offenses in a row. I’m not saying other teams wouldn’t have looked somewhat better. Likely would like Buffalo at home vs. Dallas looked great. Looked bad against the eagles giving up 37 and 29 to New England. but I’m guessing a lot of defenses likely aren’t looking very good given that situation of that gauntlet and then also facing Sf on 10 days rest and Dallas on 10 days rest. Desai didn’t do a good enough job. Why i said fire him i don’t care. However have a tough time believing when they run into Sf and potentially Dallas (on road. not so much at home— different offense on road) in the playoffs they won’t have some of the same issues vs. those offenses. Like give Patricia a chance, that’s fine. However his last 5 seasons as a DC and HC of lions his dvoa ranks were 16th, 31st, 28th, 32nd and 24th. Currently the eagles sit 20th in dvoa defense. So I’m not expecting as much as others especially when he isnt bringing have belichick with him. I think getting maddox back is the biggest improvement they are gonna get. And that depends on how long he stays healthy. 

11 consecutive scoring drives... 10 of them for TDs.   I don't care who you are playing, that's historically bad.  And it wasn't just the defense.  Eagles were the first team ever to be 8 games over 0.500 and lose by 20 in back to back games.   The offense didn't do much to keep the team in the game either.  

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I dunno. A stomach virus is a stomach virus and they usually just say it. I never heard of someone describe a stomach virus as "not a cold, and not the flu, but flu like symptoms". The way they are dancing around it makes me think they are being very selective to avoid bad PR now that they don't test or hold players out because of it.

That's a good point. If it is COVID, the other guys should be safe outdoors on the field.

Just now, vikas83 said:

The upside would come if Patricia can just make them average on 3rd down by mixing up calls, bringing pressure, playing tighter coverage, etc. Getting off the field on 3rd down will limit the snaps played and hopefully allow guys like Davis and Carter to stay fresher. As much as we liked to whine about Schwartz at times, he loved to bring pressure on 3rd and long, force an underneath throw and make the tackle. Desai always played soft, allowed the QB to escape the pocket (undisciplined rush and no linebackers to fill), and eventually the coverage broke down. 

I think we see more aggression on 3rd down to get off the field.

I think the bigger issue isn’t vs. giants, cardinals or Lock. I think it’s when you run into the bully that’s SF. I think you are gonna wind up having the same issues cause your personnel isn’t good enough and your weaknesses are the strengths of how that offense attacks and how it functions. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

That's just an idiotic take for so many reasons, not the least of which is the massive cap hit for moving on from him after this year. Also, he has been playing well.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the bigger issue isn’t vs. giants, cardinals or Lock. I think it’s when you run into the bully that’s SF. I think you are gonna wind up having the same issues cause your personnel isn’t good enough and your weaknesses are the strengths of how that offense attacks and how it functions. 

SF is the only team that scares me, as they are loaded across the board. To beat them, you have to beat up the QB. I'm not sure any back 7 can match up with their 4 passing weapons (Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle and CMC). You almost have to go boom or bust and just blitz the hell out of Purdy.

One opportunity this stretch provides -- it is obvious from Sweat's comments and some of the reporting that the players lost all confidence in Desai. If they can perform well, even against bad competition, it could get the team playing with confidence again heading into the postseason.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d add fangio and Miami have only faced 2 dvoa offenses in the top 10. Gave up 31 and 48 to the eagles and bills. Been saying this for a while, it’s good against bad and mediocre QBs. But when you face better QBs and offenses it tends to struggle  as they are good enough to slowly move it down the field and capitalize in the red zone. It’s essentially the issue Gannon had for his time with the eagles against good offenses. Think the league has caught up to it and it’s not nearly as effective as just 3-5 years ago 

It's pretty much flawed from the beginning.   It is almost entirely predicated on the premise that if the offense has to sustain a 10+ play drive, inevitably, they will stop themselves by making a mistake they can't overcome (sack, penalty, dropped pass, misread, etc.).   The best offenses generally don't do that, and you need to do something TO them in order for them to fail to convert.   You can't just let them march down the field and wait for the mistake.   It won't come very often, and that's what we saw.   Against KC, they made some mistakes that they couldn't overcome.  Same with Buffalo.  They stopped themselves as much as the Eagles stopped them (but that's the design, so is it 'luck'?  I don't think so, but it plays a role.  You are playing the percentages with this style of defense.).   Then against the 49ers and Cowboys, they just have too many playmakers to expect that they will stop themselves.  You need to stop them, ESPECIALLY Dallas, in Dallas.   Dallas in Philly actually DID stop themselves by making the errors they did.  

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Mofo has a job just repeating what every blogger has said the last 24 hours

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Interesting how Gannons AZ team isn’t running that scheme. 
 The Eagles injuries and not bringing back some players on Defense obviously has killed them, but at some point the offense needs to put up points and actually have a lead at halftime.   Missing players and all, having those leads last year early and forcing teams to pass really helped last years defense, especially someone like Hargrave who’s weakness against the run didn’t matter.  TBF, they played a lot of bad QB’s that threw interceptions like crazy  
 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

11 consecutive scoring drives... 10 of them for TDs.   I don't care who you are playing, that's historically bad.  And it wasn't just the defense.  Eagles were the first team ever to be 8 games over 0.500 and lose by 20 in back to back games.   The offense didn't do much to keep the team in the game either.  

Just saying Sf has scored on like 6-7 drives on like 9 possessions against many defenses. Like the eagles aren’t alone in that. There’s a reason why they are the best offense in the league in most offensive categories. Your weaknesses are the exactly ways that offense wants to attack. I’d add with everyone healthy the niners have scored 30+ points in 9 of 11 games. They are averaging 32 ppg in those games. Since the bye week they are averaging 35ppg. The niners are going to embarrass a lot of defenses 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

It's pretty much flawed from the beginning.   It is almost entirely predicated on the premise that if the offense has to sustain a 10+ play drive, inevitably, they will stop themselves by making a mistake they can't overcome (sack, penalty, dropped pass, misread, etc.).   The best offenses generally don't do that, and you need to do something TO them in order for them to fail to convert.   You can't just let them march down the field and wait for the mistake.   It won't come very often, and that's what we saw.   Against KC, they made some mistakes that they couldn't overcome.  Same with Buffalo.  They stopped themselves as much as the Eagles stopped them (but that's the design, so is it 'luck'?  I don't think so, but it plays a role.  You are playing the percentages with this style of defense.).   Then against the 49ers and Cowboys, they just have too many playmakers to expect that they will stop themselves.  You need to stop them, ESPECIALLY Dallas, in Dallas.   Dallas in Philly actually DID stop themselves by making the errors they did.  

I agree, but with a massive qualifier. When the offense does set itself back, with a penalty or sack, you have to get off the field on 3rd and 7+. The Eagles inability to do that has wrecked the whole system. Last year, if we got a sack on 1st or 2nd down, it was generally game over. This year everyone converts 3rd and 9.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

That's just an idiotic take for so many reasons, not the least of which is the massive cap hit for moving on from him after this year. Also, he has been playing well.

Well said. I wouldn't even have that dumb of a take.