The thing is, I don't know how much of this is Brian Johnson being bad or Steichen just being the engine behind the old offense. I don't think Sirianni would do much better than Johnson. What's the answer then?

Hard to just pick on Leonard with how bad this play was but once you see him....woof

 

Everyone is complaining about and worried about the defense - they  have been pretty bad but I’m just as concerned about the offense - they can’t sustain drives, make mistake after mistake and can’t get into the freaking end zone. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Nah. This is an easy win if Hurts played competently. I can’t blame Johnson for Hurts deciding to bail on clean pockets almost immediately or throwing a bunch of yolo passes. Hurts gets paid a lot of money to throw the football to the correct players. 

I'm going to blame the OC for not making it clear to Hurts that the goal of the drive is a time consuming scoring drive.  This conversation needs to happen on the sidelines before the QB goes out on to the field for that drive.   Explain the goal is to move the chains, control the ball, kill the clock and score at the end of the drive.    If he didn't do that (and it sure seems he didn't, because I don't see how Hurts would just go that far off script), he deserves blame.   Situational awareness has been lacking all year, and that falls on the coaches to instill in the players.  It just doesn't happen, it is taught.  

 

Hurts absolutely gets the most, I'm in no way defending Hurts.  Hurts was brutal.   All I'm saying is, the OC isn't off the hook entirely either.  

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

Might be too tired but this post took too long to read and understand you’re talking in circles 

Some seem to imply that the team was just lucky all year and never really was very good. And this is just coming back to earth now that they arent getting the lucky drops the past few weeks.

Ill keep it simple- That is very wrong.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

He is definitely part of the problem right now. Saying "this is on him" is small minded simple nonsense. Hurts didn't allow over 5 yards per carry to Walker. Hurts didn't give up 92 yards in barely over a minute to a backup QB. Hurts isn't calling plays like it's a high school offense. This team is a mess all over the place.

Au contraire, saying tonight isn't largely on him is myopic as F.

The Eagles turnover differential and point differential are indicative of a mediocre team. Those to me are always more indicative than record. They have the 2nd worst turnover differential of any team in the NFC. That's not good.

This team reminds me of the 2019 Eagles. That 2019 team was worse obviously, but I remember watching that team that year and it was obviously not very good, but people made excuses for them and they lost those 3 games in a row and each week it was "Ok, they'll stop the bleeding and figure it out" and then they lost another, and then another. And then everyone realized they just weren't very good. Then got exposed in the playoffs vs Seattle, though Wentz got knocked out of the game, but that team sucked they would've lost anyway.

This team is a little better version of that team. Same vibes this season.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Seth was right tonight on the post game that he locks on and looks lost 

Just now, bpac55 said:

Hard to just pick on Leonard with how bad this play was but once you see him....woof

 

I honestly forgot he was even on our team 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Feel free to nitpick Brian Johnson while our quarterback absolutely sabotaged us. 

What are you talking about?

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Many in here were touting Hurts as MVP. Please...

.  I guess I have the right people on ignore then!

Just now, RLC said:

What are you talking about?

Did you not watch the game?

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

The thing is, I don't know how much of this is Brian Johnson being bad or Steichen just being the engine behind the old offense. I don't think Sirianni would do much better than Johnson. What's the answer then?

At this point it’s pretty obvious this offense misses Steichen - I don’t think it’s even a question at this point, tbh 

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Problem one with the offense is that we have a college level play caller at the helm.  This guy does not run a pro offense. 

I think the RPO is figured out.  Defenses are getting Hurts to check out of run (or vice versa) based on pre snap reads and then changing it up.  

Ideally, it seems like a play action bootleg offense would be best for Hurts and this offense.  If Hurts is under center, it gives the RB a head of steam hitting the holes and also allows rhe play action to set up protection.

Steichen knew how to design plays with spacing and had a good feel for playcalling.  Johnson...not so much

Steichen was a MASSIVE loss. Look at what he's doing in Indy with Jonathan Taylor hurt for most of the year and Gardner Mindshew at QB. Meanwhile Brian Johnson runs this offense like it's a HS team.

Just now, T-1000 said:

I couldn't agree more. It just doesn't seem like players are being put in a position to have success on either side of the ball right now.

That's the most frustrating thing about this team besides Hurts clear regression (I know you disagree there but I think it's a concern).

Why does this team fail to put players in positions to have success? Why do they not play to their players strengths?

DeVonta Smith blocking?

Hassan Reddick dropping back in coverage?

Eli Ricks in the slot?

Jalen Hurts constantly running on a bum knee?

Quez Watkins when he's done nothing?

The list goes on and on. It's infuriating. 

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

Did you not watch the game?

Of all my criticisms tonight, effort and desire are not one of them 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Hard to just pick on Leonard with how bad this play was but once you see him....woof

 

He was in the right hole.   Graham can't give up the edge like that.  He crashed down too far.   I think that's on Graham for not keeping the edge.

What did Hurts say? https://x.com/JeffKerrCBS/status/1736977493226074357?s=20

2 minutes ago, Eagz said:

Au contraire, saying tonight isn't largely on him is myopic as F.

You didn't say it was largely on him. You said "this is on him." That means it's a;; his fault they lost. He was definitely part of the problem tonight but to put the majority of the loss on him is the typical lazy narrative to give the QB too much credit when they win and too much blame when they lose. It's a team game.

I want to point out again

The disgusted reaction Hurts gave when Jake Elliott sent the game to OT on a 60 yard FG stands out even more now when you see how Hurts tried to steal the headlines tonight instead of letting his kicker take care of business again. Selfish player putting a losing stink on the team slowly but surely. Very Wentzish. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

I want to point out again

The disgusted reaction Hurts gave when Jake Elliott sent the game to OT on a 60 yard FG stands out even more now when you see how Hurts tried to steal the headlines tonight instead of letting his kicker take care of business again. Selfish player. 

Scouting report on him coming out of college:

After Tua Tagovailoa took the starting job from Hurts at Alabama, Hurts transferred to Oklahoma for his senior year. Under Lincoln Riley, he completed 70 percent of his passes in 2019 for 3,851 yards with 32 touchdowns and eight interceptions. Hurts had a lot of good receiver talent to work with, and the Sooners became more of a running offense with him at quarterback compared to how they operated with Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield in the previous two seasons. League sources say Hurts is not the personality made out to be, and they heard from some staff at Oklahoma who are happy to see Hurts leave the program. Behind the scenes, it sounds as though things weren’t as smooth for him in the transition from Alabama to Oklahoma. 

Sirianni trying to heap praise on Hurts for not infecting the team with his illness. 

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I said this after the 49ers game, and I’m gonna say it again now, the only way the Eagles were going save their season and make a run in the playoffs was if Jalen hurts played more consistently like in 2022. He’s had flashes of 2022 in 2023. But for the most part, he’s been closer to when he was in 2021 with even more mistakes and poor decisions that he did that year.

He is essentially becoming what Carson Wentz became and people grilled wentz for in 2020. This is the first game in 8 games that he didn’t have a fumble but yet he threw two interceptions. These are the things we kept talking about with Carson Wentz. He’s trying to do too much. He only wants to always have the bigger play and not take the easy one. He’s a turnover machine. That’s the reality.  There is no sugarcoating it, these are exactly the things we all ****ed about with Carson in 2020. However, at least when Carson Wentz was doing it, he had bad weapons around him. You are essentially wasting a good talent on offense due to a Qb that continues to make the same mistakes week in and week out but can’t find any consistency all year.

My belief with hurts before last year was that he could be a good Qb from somewhere 10-13 range every year. I was surprised last year he made he jump into the top 3 and was consistently there. However I’m not as surprised he regressed. Tends to happen to every eagles Qb after a great year the previous year. But really i don’t think he’s mahomes. I don’t think he’s burrow. And i don’t think he’s josh Allen where he can consistently be top 5 year in and year out. I don’t think he’ll be this bad like he has the last 3 weeks his entire career but i also just don’t think he’s gonna be 2022 consistently either. Which becomes a problem with what you are paying him and having to go through SF in your conference. 

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

What did Hurts say? https://x.com/JeffKerrCBS/status/1736977493226074357?s=20

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's the most frustrating thing about this team besides Hurts clear regression (I know you disagree there but I think it's a concern).

Why does this team fail to put players in positions to have success? Why do they not play to their players strengths?

DeVonta Smith blocking?

Hassan Reddick dropping back in coverage?

Eli Ricks in the slot?

Jalen Hurts constantly running on a bum knee?

Quez Watkins when he's done nothing?

The list goes on and on. It's infuriating. 

I do think Hurts has regressed and I do think it's a concern. As for the rest, I couldn't agree more. Last year it felt like all of the right buttons were pushed and players were coached up and put in positions to succeed. This year it's like the coaches are constantly trying to put square pegs in round holes.