July 9, 20205 yr 19 hours ago, Kz! said: Meh, I always wear a mask, but following someone and shaming them is inappropriate. I mean, just last week, I went into a Publix without one. Had a mask sitting on my front seat and every intention of putting it on, but about halfway through the trip inside, I realized I didn't have it on. I don't think that warrants someone following me around the store and filming me. I don't agree with people who don't wear masks, but I don't think it's appropriate to follow and film them. If you must, request that they put a mask on, if they decline, get a store manager or keep your distance and go on with your day. It's not that difficult. People make mistakes. If you were asked to put a mask on, and you realized you had forgotten, if you were a decent or even just a normal person you would apologize and say you forgot then go get the mask from your vehicle. If you react instead by blowing up and screaming "I feel threatened!" (which in a stand your ground state is basically itself a threat, because you're indicating you will respond violently) then you may be a d-bag.
July 9, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: People make mistakes. If you were asked to put a mask on, and you realized you had forgotten, if you were a decent or even just a normal person you would apologize and say you forgot then go get the mask from your vehicle. If you react instead by blowing up and screaming "I feel threatened!" (which in a stand your ground state is basically itself a threat, because you're indicating you will respond violently) then you may be a d-bag. I'm not sure if the guy was asked once or was followed and harassed until he blew up. I know some in here think it's appropriate to follow non-mask wearers and film them, but I'll never get behind that train of thought. Sorry, Jon.
July 9, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, Kz! said: I'm not sure if the guy was asked once or was followed and harassed until he blew up. I know some in here think it's appropriate to follow non-mask wearers and film them, but I'll never get behind that train of thought. Sorry, Jon. I actually don't disagree with you there. It's a very short clip, and context would have been more helpful. We're assuming he was being harassed because he wasn't wearing a mask, and while I think that's 95% likely to be the case I'll allow that there MAY have been some other reason. But there are some circumstantial items to consider: 1. Costco has had this policy in place in Florida since early May. This was not a new policy as of late June, when this incident occurred. 2. The incident occurred about 2 weeks ago, was made broadly public 3 days ago, and he was identified within a day. He has yet to make any statement in his own defense. If this wasn't about the mask, and/or the person following him was "harassing" him for some other reason, I think by now you would have heard something from him. So while I'm all for pumping the breaks and doing a check-in on these matters to make sure we're not jumping to conclusions on an individual case-by-case basis, I tend to believe the initial framing of this is pretty on the mark in the absence of any sort of defense put forward by the guy. What we know amounts to: He was in Costco, which requires masks. He was not wearing a mask. He was confronted by someone for not wearing a mask. Perhaps that person was insistent, and he saw this as harassment - however that person is still not in the wrong because masks are required by Costco in the interest of public safety. He got fed up, blew up at the person, and was escorted out of Costco by security. Security then made sure that the person who had confronted the man was able to safely leave the location. Occam's razor points to this guy being a d-bag.
July 9, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I actually don't disagree with you there. It's a very short clip, and context would have been more helpful. We're assuming he was being harassed because he wasn't wearing a mask, and while I think that's 95% likely to be the case I'll allow that there MAY have been some other reason. But there are some circumstantial items to consider: 1. Costco has had this policy in place in Florida since early May. This was not a new policy as of late June, when this incident occurred. 2. The incident occurred about 2 weeks ago, was made broadly public 3 days ago, and he was identified within a day. He has yet to make any statement in his own defense. If this wasn't about the mask, and/or the person following him was "harassing" him for some other reason, I think by now you would have heard something from him. So while I'm all for pumping the breaks and doing a check-in on these matters to make sure we're not jumping to conclusions on an individual case-by-case basis, I tend to believe the initial framing of this is pretty on the mark in the absence of any sort of defense put forward by the guy. What we know amounts to: He was in Costco, which requires masks. He was not wearing a mask. He was confronted by someone for not wearing a mask. Perhaps that person was insistent, and he saw this as harassment - however that person is still not in the wrong because masks are required by Costco in the interest of public safety. He got fed up, blew up at the person, and was escorted out of Costco by security. Security then made sure that the person who had confronted the man was able to safely leave the location. Occam's razor points to this guy being a d-bag. Yep. Good riddance.
July 9, 20205 yr 20 hours ago, Kz! said: No, I don't think I will. Good. I was about to say "what fun would that be?"
July 9, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Kz! said: I'm not sure if the guy was asked once or was followed and harassed until he blew up. I know some in here think it's appropriate to follow non-mask wearers and film them, but I'll never get behind that train of thought. Sorry, Jon. We can only hope that President Biden will make failure to comply with mask ordinances punishable by a federal prison term. It's the only way to keep us safe. Us moderates can out these folks by filming them so they can be arrested. It's all coming together.
July 9, 20205 yr No idea what the receptionist said to set her off, but you can assume it wasn't pretty based on her reaction. Both parties should be held accountable here.
July 9, 20205 yr 17 hours ago, L.E said: Fired already. What’s up with calling women "Karen’s”? I must not pay that close attention to trends because I never noticed it until recently. How is that not prejudicial and/or a broad generalization? How would you feel if you were a woman actually named "Karen”? Better yet, how would you feel if you were a minority named "Karen”?
July 9, 20205 yr "It's against the law for you to run your business the way you want" That receptionist was incredibly nice. Good for her for keeping her composure.
July 9, 20205 yr 16 minutes ago, Kz! said: No idea what the receptionist said to set her off, but you can assume it wasn't pretty based on her reaction. Both parties should be held accountable here. 10-15 year prison term seems fair.
July 9, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, Gannan said: 10-15 year prison term seems fair. Tell me she doesn't have a job! The joy that will bring.
July 9, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: Stupidity is going to kill thousands. This is how Trump became president and it's how a virus is going to needlessly kill more people than it needs to.
July 9, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Ace Nova said: What’s up with calling women "Karen’s”? I must not pay that close attention to trends because I never noticed it until recently. How is that not prejudicial and/or a broad generalization? How would you feel if you were a woman actually named "Karen”? Better yet, how would you feel if you were a minority named "Karen”? I'd feel like who tf cares.
July 9, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, L.E said: I'd feel like who tf cares. Yeah, seriously. Not exactly like equating a name to a particular demographic is a new thing either.
July 9, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Ace Nova said: What’s up with calling women "Karen’s”? I must not pay that close attention to trends because I never noticed it until recently. How is that not prejudicial and/or a broad generalization? How would you feel if you were a woman actually named "Karen”? Better yet, how would you feel if you were a minority named "Karen”? I know a few Karens. None of them act like this. One is super woke, the exact opposite of a "Karen". One is really quiet, she'd never outburst at anyone like that. Maybe they're really cognizant of the Karen label? But their personalities were the same before calling someone a "Karen" started becoming a thing.
July 9, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: Do you have a FB link to that? That's in the Central Florida area. I'm not sure where they are going with that, since I'm pretty sure there is an exception to the mask mandate if you are actually eating at a restaurant. If it's a real thing, it's rather disappointing since this area is suffering economically because of the spike and most folks in this area are well aware it. It's almost as if they are trying to give the finger to people doing what they are supposed to do around here...but they're not even breaking the mask mandate, since you are allowed to eat at restaurants. Bizarre, imo.
July 9, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Kz! said: No idea what the receptionist said to set her off, but you can assume it wasn't pretty based on her reaction. Both parties should be held accountable here. Accountable for what? The receptionist did nothing. She is calm and matter of fact. She's doing her job. Maskless Karen should leave and find a new dentist that won't require a mask or take her temperature.
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