10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Again, for the record, I think it was a dumb unforced error on his part, but he was responding to Trump's argument by saying "Your own FBI director, Christopher Wray, has said Antifa isn't an organization, it's an idea." 

By quoting Wray, yes it does come across as an endorsement of the characterization, but criticism of Wray is bypassed in favor of owning the libs it seems.

facts are meaningless.

Just now, Kz! said:

 

I'll write a brief interpretation of the next tweet I post to keep the smooth-brains from getting confused. Deal?

Don’t you think posting a tweet and then having to interpret it is a problem in itself. Why not just find tweets that accurately reflect your feelings.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

So just to clarify things for everyone going forward. When you post a tweet and say exactly this, we are supposed to interpret the tweet, and also know that you actually didn’t mean exactly this.

Wouldn’t it be easier to just post tweets that reflect what you actually mean, and then follow that up by saying that’s what you actually mean.

I think you're out of line for holding his own words against him. Get a grip man.

17 minutes ago, Kz! said:

   

John, you just went full Riot Kitchen again and you don't even realize it. Never go full Riot Kitchen.

Wow, you're completely cracked. you're really not handling this imminent loss well.

Trump has destroyed the Republican party. They're about to be in the wilderness.

Antifa is made up of a lot of 100 lb. girls with bandanas over their faces.  No one considers them a threat except Trumpbots.

Just now, paco said:

How the hell was that making an excuse for him?

Qualifying "stand back and stand by" as just word vomit is downplaying the meaning and intent of those words. You and I both know exactly what he was doing. And it wasn't word vomit.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

Wow, you're completely cracked. you're really not handling this imminent loss well.

Trump has destroyed the Republican party. They're about to be in the wilderness.

Yep. They're a shell. Maybe it was worth the SCOTUS nominees but they are about to take a beating for a while.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Antifa is made up of a lot of 100 lb. girls with bandanas over their faces.  No one considers them a threat except Trumpbots.

Dude, that girl beat up a 7-Eleven with a Molotov cocktail, be afraid, be very afraid.

9 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Word vomit? Stop it. Just stop. You people have been making excuses for him every time he's given opportunity for a layup on denouncing white supremacy.

He didn't denounce it because he didn't want to either because he agrees with it or he knows that denouncing it will cost him a large chunk of votes. He didn't fumble anything. Trump knew exactly what he was doing. And to keep saying otherwise is just a sad copout. 

Here's a supercut of Trump condemning hatred, bigotry, white supremacy, anti-semitism, the kkk, etc. etc. 

So he's actually specifically condemned everything you said he refuses to multiple times. 

6 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Qualifying "stand back and stand by" as just word vomit is downplaying the meaning and intent of those words. You and I both know exactly what he was doing. And it wasn't word vomit.

I literally said he was given a moment to denounce it and instead of doing that, he word vomited all over himself.  I.E., it was awful all around.

 

Now if I said: "Sure, I'm willing to do that, but what I'm seeing is everything from the left wing" was denouncing it before the word vomit.  And "Stand back and Stand by" wasnt a command, but an order to not commit violence.", then you might actually have a point

8 minutes ago, paco said:

Do you honestly believe they just randomly show up to places like some sort of hive mind?

 

Saying they are NOT an organization is 

There are certainly some local groups of people who self-organize around what Antifa stands for. 

There are also local groups of people who self-organize around card games like Magic the Gathering. That doesn't make it an "organization."

There is no singular national organization of "Antifa". 

They're more akin to the Tea party. There is no "Tea party" organization. There are a lot of local chapters, and a loose confederation of people around the ideas that the Tea party subscribes to. But the Tea party is itself more of an idea than an organization.

We're getting into some semantic BS here though. It doesn't really matter if they're an organization or not. They have been condemned consistently by Biden.

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Wow, you're completely cracked. you're really not handling this imminent loss well.

Trump has destroyed the Republican party. They're about to be in the wilderness.

Riot. Kitchen.

12 minutes ago, paco said:

No one cares what you think.... You can't even ride a roller coaster

 Awww, is someone getting salty after being backed into a corner having to defend KKKz again?

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

There are certainly some local groups of people who self-organize around what Antifa stands for. 

There are also local groups of people who self-organize around card games like Magic the Gathering. That doesn't make it an "organization."

There is no singular national organization of "Antifa". 

They're more akin to the Tea party. There is no "Tea party" organization. There are a lot of local chapters, and a loose confederation of people around the ideas that the Tea party subscribes to. But the Tea party is itself more of an idea than an organization.

We're getting into some semantic BS here though. It doesn't really matter if they're an organization or not. They have been condemned consistently by Biden.

So there's definitely some militia groups in different cities, but there's no singular national militia organization.

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

There are certainly some local groups of people who self-organize around what Antifa stands for. 

There are also local groups of people who self-organize around card games like Magic the Gathering. That doesn't make it an "organization."

There is no singular national organization of "Antifa". 

They're more akin to the Tea party. There is no "Tea party" organization. There are a lot of local chapters, and a loose confederation of people around the ideas that the Tea party subscribes to. But the Tea party is itself more of an idea than an organization.

We're getting into some semantic BS here though. It doesn't really matter if they're an organization or not. They have been condemned consistently by Biden.

Do you consider Al Qaeda an organization?  Because their structure and methods of communication are very similar.

10 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Armed plots by right wing d-bags but we have to talk about Antifa.

 

The latest boogie man to frighten little children. We went to WW II to fight fascism. Something you could be proud of.

Anything to deflect from Dear Leader inciting violence.

Are you Trump 'supporters' still upset over Alex Jones admitting he's a fraud?

20 minutes ago, paco said:

Honestly, what you consider matters little.  The fact that prominent people in the democratic party support them OR look the other way is a problem.  

Nobody is saying it's not a problem. The entire point I've been making from the very beginning is that it's not THAT big of a problem relative to what's been happening with the radicalization of Trumpism and, in general, groups on the right.

Where we're disagreeing is with your need to draw some sort of equivalence.

9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Antifa is made up of a lot of 100 lb. girls with bandanas over their faces.  No one considers them a threat except Trumpbots.

 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Dude, that girl beat up a 7-Eleven with a Molotov cocktail, be afraid, be very afraid.

Do people not realize that we've got video footage of them assaulting people, committing mass acts of vandalism, and committing arson? It's literally in a thread a couple clicks away.  

1 minute ago, paco said:

Do you consider Al Qaeda an organization?  Because their structure and methods of communication are very similar.

Al Qaeda has a leadership. A structure. Financing. It has cells given orders from higher ups.

Feel free to point out Antifa chain of command.

Although my guess is you think : Soros provides funding, molotovs, soup cans and black clothing to chapters of Antifa who regularly meet.

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

Nobody is saying it's not a problem. The entire point I've been making from the very beginning is that it's not THAT big of a problem relative to what's been happening with the radicalization of Trumpism and, in general, groups on the right.

Yeah no big deal. It's just a little arson, assault, and vandalism for periods of months on end. Add in a murder in Portland. No biggie.   

This place can't be free.

12 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

Nobody is saying it's not a problem. The entire point I've been making from the very beginning is that it's not THAT big of a problem relative to what's been happening with the radicalization of Trumpism and, in general, groups on the right.

Then we will have to disagree.  The whole conversation started due to one incident where a bunch of lowlifes tried to kidnap a democratic official, where as the left has been a violent mob in the streets all summer long (and quite frankly, for years now just not at this intensity).  I feel like the radical right wing incidents is far outweighed by the radical left ones, but I am open  to any counterargument that proves the contrary. 

14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Antifa is made up of a lot of 100 lb. girls with bandanas over their faces.  No one considers them a threat except Trumpbots.

and possibly the business owners of the property they destroy ? 

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

and possibly the business owners of the property they destroy ? 

That is why you pay for insurance.

Just now, Kz! said:

Yeah no big deal. It's just a little arson, assault, and vandalism for periods of months on end.   

This place can't be free.

"I know a highly organized group of militants was days away from kidnapping a Democrat governor, storming the capitol building and taking hostages, and setting off anti-personnel IED's at police officers homes but did you hear about those filthy animals that have the nerve to be protesting police brutality and spray painting buildings?"