47 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Because they turn on guys overnight and eat their own. Hurts has gone from the toast of the town to persona non grata apparently, but I guess it's really not surprising here since a lot of the fans never wanted to even give him a chance and only begrudgingly embraced him last year.

Hurts has some turnover problems but look at the Tampa game. He didn't turn the ball over at all and we still got boat raced. Its the coaching. 

3 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I know the difference between a good NFL offense and a bad one. The Giants are a bad team because they have bad players. However, look at their scheme. Look how many different ways they line up Barkley (the only good player they have). Everyone knows they are trying to get Barkley the ball, but they scheme him open. Look at Washington. They suck. Their QB sucks, but they found ways to put him in position to make wide open easy plays. We do none of that. We run the same 6 plays regardless of who are opponent is. On first down it's usually that sideline comeback route. When that doesn't work 2nd down is always a bubble screen that hasn't worked all year.  3rd and long is a deep sideline route. 

It's not being fickle. Its just using my eyeballs. 

 

The playcalling and scheme have been glaringly deficient, I agree.

Two (maybe 3) things:

1. I think Hurts was banged up. Less mobile. More prone to getting blitzed because he wasn't gonna run. And, I don't think Hurts was effective. I'm too lazy to back that up with week by week stats. Maybe you smart guys can do that.

2. The coaching was bad. We're at the point where we're waiting to see if its the coordinators that get canned or the head coach too.

3. Hurts did better when Gardner Minshew was the backup. Therefore, Gardner is better than Marcus Mariota. Is Minshew available? 

PhillyGodfather is reporting that he works with a boxer who has knowledge of what's going on in the Eagles locker room, story has it the money has changed Hurts, he's acting like a prima-madonna, I never did like that "I'm hot-sheet" trot onto the field of his.

Hear what PhillyGodfather had to say

 

 

So am I.

So. Am. I.

3 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

PhillyGodfather is reporting that he works with a boxer who has knowledge of what's going on in the Eagles locker room, story has it the money has changed Hurts, he's acting like a prima-madonna, I never did like that "I'm hot-sheet" trot onto the field of his.

Hear what PhillyGodfather had to say

 

 

Well, we're effed then....

So AJ blew up at Hurts

And Goedert blew up at Hurts

Hmmm what is the common element here?

On 1/19/2024 at 6:54 PM, opa-opa said:

Well, we're effed then....

Not to worry.  My cousin works at Wawa and he also knows what goes on in the private Eagles locker room and he says the coaching is the problem and everyone loves Hurts.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Not to worry.  My cousin works at Wawa and he also knows what goes on in the private Eagles locker room and he says the coaching is the problem and everyone loves Hurts.

My wife's friends husband knows a guy who works for the wawa warehouse that is friends with the delivery driver for your cousins wawa and says he is full of crap 💩 😀

We all know the problem is McNabb

On 1/19/2024 at 5:03 PM, opa-opa said:

So AJ blew up at Hurts

And Goedert blew up at Hurts

Hmmm what is the common element here?

Siri is calling for deep throws , and Hurts throws short passes? QB and HC are not on the same page. QB just got paid quarter of the billion dollars!!! How important is HC that can’t do much.. other than say Yes to upper management?

 

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https://www.crossingbroad.com/2024/01/must-be-2019-because-were-talking-about-a-joe-santoliquito-eagles-story.html

There are two versions of Jalen Hurts. The one the public sees, and the one behind closed doors at the NovaCare Complex that the Eagles protect—as they tried to do with Carson Wentz. The public, well, some of the fanbase, sees a leader. His teammates may not. Sources close to and around the team say Hurts should have been a better leader—and is capable of being a better leader. He shuts himself off from others and he defers to A.J. Brown, who has a great reputation among his teammates as a "family guy” and will hold himself and his teammates "accountable.”’

One source on the team described Hurts as a "good dude” who sometimes does not realize the times he’s acting like a prima-donna "expletive” (we’ll use the word "jerk”). Multiple sources close to and inside the Eagles confirmed this. Teammates wanted to include him in functions. Hurts would wave them off. He’s been described as "detached,” "stoic,” "isolated,” "unapproachable.”

 

"He is not exactly ‘Mr. Personality,’ but he’s someone who will get up when he’s knocked down, get up stronger and he will do it on his own,” one source said about Hurts. "He won’t ask for help. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. From what I know of the other guy, he wouldn’t get up at all, or blame someone else why he got knocked down.”

 

 

 

Sounds like Wentz 2.0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

55 minutes ago, Swimm said:

Sounds like Wentz 2.0

In some ways, but I doubt he's a quitter willing to force his way out of town.  He just seems like an introvert in a position that doesn't allow that.

Hurts will be fine with better coordinators and coaches - especially a good QB coach. He’s still young and needs assistance in understanding what he’s seeing on the field. He’s been fortunate to have the talent around him, but the system he’s under is tired and predictable.  His mobility is no longer a factor as well. To remain a starting QB in this league he has to become more of a traditional QB. So no more being a system QB going forward. He needs to read the field better, adjust accordingly, and go through his progressions. A good OC and a proven QB coach will work wonders and we know he’s a willing study. 

I think as long as Jalen Hurts is the quarterback and Sirianni is the head coach who doesn’t call the plays every year or so we will run into this same problem. New play caller equates to new way of doing things, and Jalen has dealt with a new play caller in both his collegiate and professional career in every season save one. The one that happens to be his best season. If the coach were the playcaller/real OC then it doesn’t matter how many of his OCs get hired. The fact this isn’t the case in Philly is precisely why this issue will continue to occur.

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I think as long as Jalen Hurts is the quarterback and Sirianni is the head coach who doesn’t call the plays every year or so we will run into this same problem. New play caller equates to new way of doing things, and Jalen has dealt with a new play caller in both his collegiate and professional career in every season save one. The one that happens to be his best season. If the coach were the playcaller/real OC then it doesn’t matter how many of his OCs get hired. The fact this isn’t the case in Philly is precisely why this issue will continue to occur.

Look at the big picture...When we Suck as bad as we did at the end of the last season.....We can only improve. We can not possibly do worse.

The new OC is bringing in a new QB coach with 20yr experience. To me that is the game changer. An experienced QB coach will get Jalen back on track. Slowly things will improve on offense. The defense arguably will be much improved next season due to experienced DC and what I expect will be a new infusion of talent on defensive side of the ball. 

I do not see Blue skies ahead, but it is certainly not the the dead end I was screaming about midway through last season.

If only we could decapitate Siri so that Spadaro will cal him :"Mini Me" LOL

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

Look at the big picture...When we Suck as bad as we did at the end of the last season.....We can only improve. We can not possibly do worse.

The new OC is bringing in a new QB coach with 20yr experience. To me that is the game changer. An experienced QB coach will get Jalen back on track. Slowly things will improve on offense. The defense arguably will be much improved next season due to experienced DC and what I expect will be a new infusion of talent on defensive side of the ball. 

I do not see Blue skies ahead, but it is certainly not the the dead end I was screaming about midway through last season.

If only we could decapitate Siri so that Spadaro will cal him :"Mini Me" LOL

It’s going to take a while for anything to really stick, and I just hope they will be willing to let this play out over time and not jettison everyone if this plan for next season implodes and I have trouble believing that it won’t. Too much change in a small amount of time. What will be considered a successful season for Sirianni next year? What gets him an extension? If the Eagles hover around .500 is that enough for Sirianni to get an extension? Will another first round exit do it? Just feels like the uncertainty of next season and the pressure of hoping it works out might be too much for this team to handle. I hope I’m wrong though. 

33 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

What will be considered a successful season for Sirianni next year? What gets him an extension? If the Eagles hover around .500 is that enough for Sirianni to get an extension?

I’m not sure it can? I mean I’m not saying it won’t but surely the structure of this thing is a sign they want to go for it next year? And rightly so whilst they still have this group of players together. I think that it needs to be a minimum of NFCCG but there are factors that could change that (like a freaky exit in the divisional round ).

36 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I’m not sure it can? I mean I’m not saying it won’t but surely the structure of this thing is a sign they want to go for it next year? And rightly so whilst they still have this group of players together. I think that it needs to be a minimum of NFCCG but there are factors that could change that (like a freaky exit in the divisional round ).

How can this team expect to be in the NFCCCG with so many changes? 😂 I mean it’s just not a realistic expectation. We don’t even know what their offense will look like, and we don’t even know who will be playing on the defense. Is Gainwell going to be the number one back? I don’t envy Sirianni’s situation, because there’s so many questions and most of them can’t be answered until the season starts, but in reality it’s a daunting task for a head coach who has basically lost all of his power to come in and try to get respect and make this work. Nevertheless he chose to accept those conditions. 

28 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

How can this team expect to be in the NFCCCG with so many changes? 😂 I mean it’s just not a realistic expectation. We don’t even know what their offense will look like, and we don’t even know who will be playing on the defense. Is Gainwell going to be the number one back? I don’t envy Sirianni’s situation, because there’s so many questions and most of them can’t be answered until the season starts, but in reality it’s a daunting task for a head coach who has basically lost all of his power to come in and try to get respect and make this work. Nevertheless he chose to accept those conditions. 

Problem is I am not sure how they can assess Sirianni? As this CEO HC he has to be based on results so if the results are good next year then he has to go. If the results are average then he has to go. I agree with a new DC and OC (plus new positions coaches) and new schemes to implement you have to give things time to settle and for the players to understand what is being asked of them. But at the same time this team has the talent to compete right now and waiting a couple of years isn't going to be good enough. Sirianni is in a really tough position now because ultimately all that matters is results for him and after the collapse we all saw all eyes will be on him.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Problem is I am not sure how they can assess Sirianni? As this CEO HC he has to be based on results so if the results are good next year then he has to go. If the results are average then he has to go. I agree with a new DC and OC (plus new positions coaches) and new schemes to implement you have to give things time to settle and for the players to understand what is being asked of them. But at the same time this team has the talent to compete right now and waiting a couple of years isn't going to be good enough. Sirianni is in a really tough position now because ultimately all that matters is results for him and after the collapse we all saw all eyes will be on him.

Success will be attributed to others while failure will be attributed to him.

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Success will be attributed to others while failure will be attributed to him.

Maybe... But I mean with the OC we know it will be Moore running the show so he has to take blame if things are going badly too.

I believe Moore was a great hire for us and Jalen will need to dig into that playbook . This year will be important for him and the franchise as a whole

because if we can't get it going... Nick will be gone...Hurts maybe gone as in a whole restart again . In my Eagles green glasses I don't see that happeningbut it's happened before in just about the same window of time. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Maybe... But I mean with the OC we know it will be Moore running the show so he has to take blame if things are going badly too.

Not necessarily, because again if it comes down to poor fundamentals how much of that can be blamed on the OC? If Sirianni isn’t playing guys in preseason, and he’s doing walkthroughs and not practicing how can that be on the OC? The system has proven to work, but the players will need to be able to put in that work in order for it to work. That’s on Sirianni in my opinion. 

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Not necessarily, because again if it comes down to poor fundamentals how much of that can be blamed on the OC? If Sirianni isn’t playing guys in preseason, and he’s doing walkthroughs and not practicing how can that be on the OC? The system has proven to work, but the players will need to be able to put in that work in order for it to work. That’s on Sirianni in my opinion. 

My concern though is that you are right the players will need to be able to put in that work in order for it to work but that will encourage Sirianni even more to do walk throughs and make sure the players understand the playbook and their assignments.

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

My concern though is that you are right the players will need to be able to put in that work in order for it to work but that will encourage Sirianni even more to do walk throughs and make sure the players understand the playbook and their assignments.

Well that’s kind of his job now. He might not be calling the plays, but he better make sure these guys are prepared to run this plays properly.