While I don’t like paying up for a running back, I’d gladly pay Barkley for the same price as Darnell Mooney and Gabe Davis. 

15 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The COULD have opened up cap space without extending Dak. Convert his salary to a signing bonus and you have ~18mm. Extend Ceedee and get his 5th year option cap number down - probably another 10mm. Right there is almost $30mm that could have been used to support the team this year without extending Dak. So why didn't they do it? Because...JERRY JONES IS CHEAP AND KNOWS HE DOESN'T HAVE TO. Jerry wants to be the biggest brand and talked about, and he really couldn't care less about winning. So Dallas is always bottom third in cash spending per year. Jerry doesn't want to write a check to Dak and Ceedee right now, and he doesn't have to because they'll stay the biggest brand in sports regardless.

Watching national media idiots (wee Wright, Nick) constantly fall for the lie that Jerry is willing to do anything to win a Super Bowl is comical.  

I need some education here, and I am being serious not argumentative. I saw your post a few days ago about the cash thing and DAL...How can a team always be fighting/against the cap but never spend the cash? I don't understand that. 

Pretty sure after the Floyd contract they needed to create more space but the niners did clear space today 

 

Galaxy brained thought: The Eagles feel like the OL will take a bit of a step back without Kelce and no proven RG that they decided to get a top RB to help overcome any regression. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought he was fine.   I also don't consider that video to be a comprehensive look at his blocking, so I won't make a definitive statement one way or the other.

I will say this.  He had 3 important elements in that video. 
1 - Knew his assignment.
2 - Was in the right place.
3 - Was willing.

Those 3 are the most important, IMO.   No RB will win every rep, but if they are in the right place, and are willing, they will buy some time for the QB... and usually in blitz pickup, that's about all they need to do.  They don't need to provide a stone wall block every time.

Knowing the assignment, allows him to be in the right place. So he at least got in the way.

But some here were saying we brought him in because we were looking for pass blocking and he is excellent at it. That doesnt appear to be the case.

Clearly those are not all the pass blocking reps he has had. Not comprehensive. But if those are plays chosen to highlight how good he is at it, thats a bad sign. There should be better reps to pull from.

Dont need to be a stone wall every time, but Id like to see it happen sometimes. It wasnt once in that video. Actually, never even got close to being that.

 

Im not encouraged by that aspect of his game. Maybe someone will the all-22 can put up clips of some better examples.

I have no clue what Justin Simmons is asking for but I find it hard to imagine he wouldnt have been signed before some of these other guys unless he’s asking for way more than what anybody’s willing to pay. I’m curious to see how long he waits to sign cause as times passes they're teams with less and less cap space. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

While I don’t like paying up for a running back, I’d gladly pay Barkley for the same price as Darnell Mooney and Gabe Davis. 

We’ve been overvaluing RB contracts for so long they’ve now become a bit undervalued. Gabe Davis is not worth more AAV than Saquon.

 

In 2019, Ezekiel Elliot signed for 15m$ a year. The salary cap was 188m. At that time Saquon’s current deal would have been for 8.8m$ when adjusting for cap%, that’s how much the cap has gone up. 12m$ at a 255m$ cap is less than 5%. It’s a strong value

 

 

48 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Just heard about the Howell trade. That's crazy, I actually thought he could become a decent starter in a year or two. Barely got anything in return too. 

He was benched at the end of the year for poor performance.   (two games I think, maybe three)

Edit: Looked it up, it was two games.  Was benched against the Jets and then again next week but had to come into the game because Brissett got hurt

 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I have no clue what Justin Simmons is asking for but I find it hard to imagine he would’ve been signed before some of these other guys unless he’s asking for way more than what anybody’s willing to pay. I’m curious to see how long he waits to sign cause as times passes they're teams with less and less cap space. 

Feels like the longer he is out there, the more likely he is to end up in philly. 

No team apparently paid him what he thought he was worth. So at some point, philly probably reaches back out to find out what hes thinking at this point. Or his agent reaches back out to them with a new number in mind.

When you dont get the money you want, you start to choose based on other characteristics of the organization and Philly should rank pretty high. Need for the safety. Experience with Fangio. Team that wants him. Always in contention. Elite QB?, Elite leadership from QB? Hard working QB... etc.

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d point out, the 2 cheap years of Herbert’s extension are 2023 and 2024. Jumps from 19.3 to 37.3 in 2024 to 2025. That said can’t happen as it’s $89 mil cap hit in 2024 to trade him unless it’s post June 1st which then actually clears cap. Just interesting hypothetical 

They aren't going to trade Herbert, the Wilson and Watson craters have killed the blockbuster trade market for a few years, and Harbaugh knows it would be career suicide to trade Herbert to hitch his wagon to a guy who might flop in the pros, especially when they just cleaned house at receiver too. 

That said, for all the smoke blown up Herbert since he was drafted, he looks to me like a repeat of Phil Rivers, good enough to get you so far (and get the fanbase adamant he shouldn't be traded), he can make all the throws for the weekday NFL discussion shows to fawn over but he won't ever get you over that hump, even when the sun is shining roster wise, he'll still find a way to come up a dollar short.

29 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't think there was much available at the position in free agency, tbh.  I'd have been happy with Kenneth Murray in the $4.5M range, but he signed for $8M per season.  I never liked Patrick Queen much, even at LSU.  He was thought to be getting shipped out of BAL before Roquan Smith got there and propped him up.

What the Eagles need to do is invest a solid draft pick at the position, either #50 or 53.  I believe Cooper will be gone before then (last first, early 2nd before 40 at the latest IMO).  Then it becomes a question if there is another off-ball LB worthy of a pick in that range.  Maybe a small trade back.  

Wilson and Gray are two other R2 options.

by the way, Im still waiting for a free agent to say playing with this QB factored in to their decision to come here.

We had a big time offensive weapon come here. Talked about the personnel here, but never specifically said he wanted to come play with this QB.

It happened a bunch with Wentz. When you have the elite QB play, and leadership guys want to come here to play with him and theyll say it.

No one has ever said it yet.

Elite QB play should be a major recruiting factor for free agents. I dont see us getting that help from Hurts yet. 

4 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

They aren't going to trade Herbert, the Wilson and Watson craters have killed the blockbuster trade market for a few years, and Harbaugh knows it would be career suicide to trade Herbert to hitch his wagon to a guy who might flop in the pros, especially when they just cleaned house at receiver too. 

That said, for all the smoke blown up Herbert since he was drafted, he looks to me like a repeat of Phil Rivers, good enough to get you so far (and get the fanbase adamant he shouldn't be traded), he can make all the throws for the weekday NFL discussion shows to fawn over but he won't ever get you over that hump, even when the sun is shining roster wise, he'll still find a way to come up a dollar short.

Oh the original post was said as purely hypothetical. It can’t happen cause the financials remotely don’t work even if harbaugh wanted it too. He’s tied to Herbert. I do think harbaugh loves him mccarthy though. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Galaxy brained thought: The Eagles feel like the OL will take a bit of a step back without Kelce and no proven RG that they decided to get a top RB to help overcome any regression. 

Charles Robinson of Yahoo brought that up on his podcast this week. 

The other interesting nugget he brought up was that Howie looked at this like an undervalued asset, and not any philosophical shift. 

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im not comparing what you think I am comparing. Nothing has changed. 

What are you comparing exactly because there really is nothing to compare.  Apples and oranges. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

by the way, Im still waiting for a free agent to say playing with this QB factored in to their decision to come here.

We had a big time offensive weapon come here. Talked about the personnel here, but never specifically said he wanted to come play with this QB.

It happened a bunch with Wentz. When you have the elite QB play, and leadership guys want to come here to play with him and theyll say it.

No one has ever said it yet.

Elite QB play should be a major recruiting factor for free agents. I dont see us getting that help from Hurts yet. 

And these times it happened with Wentz, are they in the room with us right now?

48 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah he had some real bad games towards the end of the season, but that whole team had given up already so not as easy to judge how much thay played a factor. I could see if they got a 3rd rd pick for him straight up, but they had to give up a 4th along with Howell to do it. Seems like a bad return for someone they could've just kept to compete with Mariota who we all know is garbage.

Meh, I get it.  The R-words are going to draft their starting QB.  They brought in Mariota, who has no trade value.  Howell does, he has two years left on his contract, costs next to nothing and has proven to be serviceable.  You don't need two backups.  Why not use your former 5th rounder to move your 4th and 6th rounders into the 3rd and 5th rounds?

43 minutes ago, judunno said:

If you'd like to explain it to me I'm all ears. I think I was pretty clear in saying in retrospect that NFL Teams had this man CMC ranked as a 1st round prospect (as I said the Eagles were hot for him and they picked 14 that year). If you're going to sit here and predict that after the draft Will Shipley would have been on the board of  NFL teams with a mid to top 10 first round grade, don't bother explaining. That's delusional.

It's been explained to you many times and you still aren't getting it. Saying a player is in the same mold ≠ saying the player is as much of a sure thing, will be as good, etc.

It means they have similar skill sets. They're almost identical in size (when CMC was coming out). They can both make people miss. They can both catch the ball well. One had a great OL and a good team. The other not so much. Their running style is similar. They're both smooth with cutting and have good hands.

If developed properly and he takes the next step, as CMC did, they could have similar skills at the NFL level too. That doesn't mean Shipley will be better. That doesn't mean Shipley will ever become what CMC is. That doesn't mean that it will be easy to do.

What it does mean is that if his ceiling is reached, there is a CMC-esque level player there. Again, whether or not he ever gets there remains to be seen.

This has nothing to do with saying he's as good. This has nothing to do with saying he'll go in the first round. This has nothing to do with saying he'll have a better career.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

by the way, Im still waiting for a free agent to say playing with this QB factored in to their decision to come here.

We had a big time offensive weapon come here. Talked about the personnel here, but never specifically said he wanted to come play with this QB.

It happened a bunch with Wentz. When you have the elite QB play, and leadership guys want to come here to play with him and theyll say it.

No one has ever said it yet.

Elite QB play should be a major recruiting factor for free agents. I dont see us getting that help from Hurts yet. 

Barkley said it.  When he said "Keep the main thing the main thing" he was either talking to Hurts or Stephen Covey.  Covey's been dead quite a few years now, so I assumed he was parroting Hurts.  I could be wrong, though.

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Meh, I get it.  The R-words are going to draft their starting QB.  They brought in Mariota, who has no trade value.  Howell does.  He has two years left on his contract, costs next to nothing and has proven to be serviceable.  Why not use your former 5th rounder to move your 4th and 6th rounders into the 3rd and 5th rounds?

Much higher cap hit than Howell's though, and imo, a worse player with no upside at all. At least Howell still has potential to improve and turn into a decent QB. Feels like they gave up too early on him given the lack of return. For selfish reasons, I'm glad they did it, as I'd much rather face Mariota than Howell twice a year (should it come to that.)

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Feels like the longer he is out there, the more likely he is to end up in philly. 

No team apparently paid him what he thought he was worth. So at some point, philly probably reaches back out to find out what hes thinking at this point. Or his agent reaches back out to them with a new number in mind.

When you dont get the money you want, you start to choose based on other characteristics of the organization and Philly should rank pretty high. Need for the safety. Experience with Fangio. Team that wants him. Always in contention. Elite QB?, Elite leadership from QB? Hard working QB... etc.

Yeah i think he knows he likely has 2 maybe 3 good years left and needed to cash in on his opportunity. The market showed him they are not going to pay him what he and his agent thought. So his price is gonna have to drop. I still think his best fit is here with fangio. I like you believe the longer this plays out more likely his price becomes reasonable and he goes to the place where his fit is the best 

14 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I need some education here, and I am being serious not argumentative. I saw your post a few days ago about the cash thing and DAL...How can a team always be fighting/against the cap but never spend the cash? I don't understand that. 

Because Jerry doesn't use void years that much, and he doesn't do huge singing bonuses or restructures (converting salary into signing bonuses). Teams like the Eagles, 49ers, Chiefs, etc. use void years on deals to push cap charges into the future by amortizing bonuses over a longer time period than the contract. As an example, think of a contract where the Eagles do a 3 year, $30 million deal. But Howie puts 2 void years on it, pays a $15mm singing bonus and then minimum salaries in year 1 and 2 of 1.2mm. The cap charge in year 1 is 4.2mm (3mm of singing bonus (15mm over 5 years) and 1.2mm in salary) but the cash spend is 16.2mm. They do this with annual option bonuses a bunch too and prorate them -- bonuses can be pro rated, salaries can't. When the 3 years are up, there's still 6mm of that signing bonus that becomes a dead cap charge for a guy no longer on the team, but that's less impactful as the cap goes up every year.