Bring the turnovers down and get him a Goddamn offense that works and we’ll be fine

Hurts may put up good numbers when seen through the big lens, but ...if there is a need for a time consuming drive to put a game away or a 4 minute offense...I have seen enough to say that I do not trust the Eagles O to be successful. It is not all on Hurts, but he is a factor.

I forgot about Aaron Glenn. I think he's going to be a fantastic head coach. If Sirianni is in fact gone today I wonder what kind of coach the Eagles would want next? An experienced coach or an up and comer like Glenn. Glenn has been shining for a few years now and might not be the instant coaching star that DeMeco is but I think he has all the tools to be a good one. 

The Titans bringing him in also gives me a little more hope that the interest in BJ is more than Rooney Rule compliance. 

 

11 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Hurts may put up good numbers when seen through the big lens, but ...if there is a need for a time consuming drive to put a game away or a 4 minute offense...I have seen enough to say that I do not trust the Eagles O to be successful. It is not all on Hurts, but he is a factor.

That’s the weird thing about this season.  This was precisely what Hurts excelled at for a year plus (last year and early this year).  A detailed chain moving drive to eat clock and score.  It was what made the Eagles so hard to beat.  
 

It wasn’t until the second half of the season when that play calling (and player execution) went south

17 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Hurts may put up good numbers when seen through the big lens, but ...if there is a need for a time consuming drive to put a game away or a 4 minute offense...I have seen enough to say that I do not trust the Eagles O to be successful. It is not all on Hurts, but he is a factor.

Last season Hurts was the master of time consuming drives.   So is that on him or the coaching staff that (for whatever reason) has tried to make the offense (in their own words) more "dynamic” this season? 

20 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Hurts may put up good numbers when seen through the big lens, but ...if there is a need for a time consuming drive to put a game away or a 4 minute offense...I have seen enough to say that I do not trust the Eagles O to be successful. It is not all on Hurts, but he is a factor.

 

Except he was able to do that in 2022 and for much of 2023 until the offensive playclaling went completely braindead.

5 minutes ago, McMVP said:

That’s the weird thing about this season.  This was precisely what Hurts excelled at for a year plus (last year and early this year).  A detailed chain moving drive to eat clock and score.  It was what made the Eagles so hard to beat.  
 

It wasn’t until the second half of the season when that play calling (and player execution) went south

The offense slowed down and the defence got gradually worse, probably both contributing factors in the others demise. Was really no way out because neither could get the other one out of the crap and we’re caught in a downward spiral 

And for all you conspiracy theorists that accused Goedert at yelling at Hurts on the sidelines - by his own words he was animated at himself after he botched a play.  He said that he and Hurts have never had a single argument or fight ever.  Case closed. 

23 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Hurts may put up good numbers when seen through the big lens, but ...if there is a need for a time consuming drive to put a game away or a 4 minute offense...I have seen enough to say that I do not trust the Eagles O to be successful. It is not all on Hurts, but he is a factor.

Hard to have a time consuming drive when you won't\can't run the ball. OL got owned in that Tampa game after further review for example and I'm not even talking blitzes. Kancey kicked their ass.

22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Funny thing about the GM vs. the fans.

 

Its the GM's job to be BETTER than the fans at evaluating talent.   He has all the information, he has access to the coaches' evaluation, access to the scouts' evaluations... all of it.  

If he's no better than the fans, then he shouldn't have the job.    You don't give your money to a financial advisor are satisfied when he's producing the same results that you can produce on your own.  In that case, what are you paying him for?    The expected results are that he's better than you at evaluations and reading the market.   That's what he's supposedly doing as a full time job... studying, learning, talking to find the right pieces.  It's literally his whole purpose... 

 

He whiffed on Edwards.  He whiffed on White.  He whiffed on expecting that Morrow and Dean were going to able to handle the job, so he went out and brought in Jack and Cunningham... another whiff.   At least they were cheap.  That's the goal, right?   

Then you go back to the Safety level, and.... He whiffed on Epps.  He whiffed on CJGJ.  He allowed Blankenship's brief time as a fill in player to convince him that he wasn't a depth player, but that he could be the starter.  And then he decided that he didn't need to add a CB in the draft... wouldn't Joey Porter be a nice piece to build around in this secondary?  Nolan Smith was a fun story with him being yet another Georgia player... and yet when it comes to actual production... he's a guy we have to hope figures out the NFL, meanwhile Porter is already on his way to being a top 5 corner in the league.

 

When you let the middle of your defense walk and try to replace ALL of them, that's a recipe for disaster, not a recipe for success.  And frankly, that should have been obvious.  We can debate the individual decisions, but these decisions weren't made in a vacuum.  Sometimes having continuity is a major element in not having a complete collapse.  AND, not only did the decision hurt them in the starting lineup, but it also gutted the depth, so that when the injuries showed up, there was no one left to turn to.  

He likely should have keep one of Edwards/White... and one of Epps/CJGJ.   The timeline seemed to show that they prioritized CJGJ, and by the time that ship sailed, Epps was already gone.   But, again, that's his failure to read the market, to read the individual players and his willingness to wait for them to hit the market, rather than locking them up in the days/weeks leading up to free agency.  He screwed up.  And its HIS job not to screw up, not the job of the fans.

They let Edwards go because they wanted to go with Dean at the middle.  He got hurt, then the LB fell apart, as the back-up aren't good enough.  In fact, even Dean is not proven to be the player they can build around.  CJGJ they tried to keep, but did not want to pay the asking price.  Howie must have thought he could always sign FAs at low price and get the performance, ala the season before.  But it did not work out the season just past.

Drafting multiple Georgia players might also be too heavy-hand.  Even they were a top ranked college team, NFL is a different game and not clear a college team/system could dominate in the professional league.  If they think it could, then they should hire their coaches to build the system with our team.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Except he was able to do that in 2022 and for much of 2023 until the offensive playclaling went completely braindead.

While you typed that the Eagles ran another WR Slip Screen.

4 minutes ago, McMVP said:

That’s the weird thing about this season.  This was precisely what Hurts excelled at for a year plus (last year and early this year).  A detailed chain moving drive to eat clock and score.  It was what made the Eagles so hard to beat.  
 

It wasn’t until the second half of the season when that play calling (and player execution) went south

I felt they were a run team in the beginning of the season and then against the Rams Hurts had that run where he landed on his leg wrong and looked like he did something to his knee. Run game quickly tanked after that. They never found another consistent way to get the run game going over the season. 

Just now, Penn7980 said:

They let Edwards go because they wanted to go with Dean at the middle.  He got hurt, then the LB fell apart, as the back-up aren't good enough.  In fact, even Dean is not proven to be the player they can build around.  CJGJ they tried to keep, but did not want to pay the asking price.  Howie must have thought he could always sign FAs at low price and get the performance, ala the season before.  But it did not work out the season just past.

Drafting multiple Georgia players might also be too heavy-hand.  Even they were a top ranked college team, NFL is a different game and not clear a college team/system could dominate in the professional league.  If they think it could, then they should hire their coaches to build the system with our team.

One thing about Dean is he's a pretty good tackler. Definitely missed him.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

One thing about Dean is he's a pretty good tackler. Definitely missed him.

If he could catch up, sure.

Hurts running ability was missing this year.  I believe he is hurt and played thru it but his running was a big factor in 2022.  

Even designed QB runs would gain positive yards where this year I can't remember how many times a designed QB run basically went nowhere. 

40 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Bring the turnovers down and get him a Goddamn offense that works and we’ll be fine

I hate how they use total yards and TDs now. If they want to add in rushing yards and TDs then just add it separately

12 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

If he could catch up, sure.

More like if he could stay healthy. He was good against the run. Coverage... well he's not covering Wrs and athletic RB/TEs. Not many LBs are.

45 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Hurts may put up good numbers when seen through the big lens, but ...if there is a need for a time consuming drive to put a game away or a 4 minute offense...I have seen enough to say that I do not trust the Eagles O to be successful. It is not all on Hurts, but he is a factor.

We literally couldn't run the ball when teams knew we were going to run. Slight problem.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I hate how they use total yards and TDs now. If they want to add in rushing yards and TDs then just add it separately

It’s worth the same; if Jalen threw little wheel routes to Swift to get those goalline TD’s, would it be better? More valuable? Any different at all?

3 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

It’s worth the same; if Jalen threw little wheel routes to Swift to get those goalline TD’s, would it be better? More valuable? Any different at all?

Well for one trying to compare Hurts to Mahomes using a combined stat because his solo stats don't compare seems a little dishonest to me

I think Hurts can get to 2022 form with better coaching but I just hate how they like to use the combined stats now

47 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Bring the turnovers down and get him a Goddamn offense that works and we’ll be fine

Aren't people talking about Mahomes having a down year as well?    Yes, they are.  Yards are down, TDs down, turnovers up... and this weekend he'll be playing in his first ever road playoff game, in part, because he's had a down year... which can partly be explained due to the lack of WR talent this year around him.   But, to act like Hurts didn't take a step back this past year is to put your head into the sand.  

And can we stop pretending that 'total yards' and 'total TDs' is the measure of what you want in an NFL QB.   In an NFL QB, what you want is SUSTAINED excellence, and if your QB is getting beat up all the time from having to run so much, that's going to limit his career span.   A 1 yard TD from the QB sneak is nice.  But, its punishment that could be avoided if you just handed the ball to a running back making 10% of his salary, and letting HIM take that punishment.  Same with the running game.  A 3 yard run for the QB is nice... 3 yards by the RB would mean less punishment on the QB though.  

28 minutes ago, judunno said:

Hard to have a time consuming drive when you won't\can't run the ball. OL got owned in that Tampa game after further review for example and I'm not even talking blitzes. Kancey kicked their ass.

Low key the OL was a problem during The Collapse.  Needs improvement.

39 minutes ago, McMVP said:

That’s the weird thing about this season.  This was precisely what Hurts excelled at for a year plus (last year and early this year).  A detailed chain moving drive to eat clock and score.  It was what made the Eagles so hard to beat.  
 

It wasn’t until the second half of the season when that play calling (and player execution) went south

Or player revolt where they went off script... 

18 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Hurts running ability was missing this year.  I believe he is hurt and played thru it but his running was a big factor in 2022.  

Even designed QB runs would gain positive yards where this year I can't remember how many times a designed QB run basically went nowhere. 

Our entire offense is built on the QB run. We need a new scheme that isn’t reliant on this.

9 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

It’s worth the same; if Jalen threw little wheel routes to Swift to get those goalline TD’s, would it be better? More valuable? Any different at all?

Yes.  Punishment adds up.   It's why RBs have such short careers... and normally why the top QBs have such long careers.  It's dramatically different.