18 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I hope Pickett gets to start the Week 1 game in Brazil and lays 450 passing yards on the steelers for a big win.

I dislike Hurts as much as anyone and I'd rather see him start over Deadpool baby hands.

29 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Thats the point. Its wasting a resource 

If the Eagles really liked what they saw in McKee in terms of being a viable backup for 2024 do you think they make this trade?

Mims or Guyton most likely the pick in RD1.

Probably Guyton because Mims easily could be picked higher than Howie is willing to trade up for without having to unload that extra RD2 pick.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

If the Eagles really liked what they saw in McKee in terms of being a viable backup for 2024 do you think they make this trade?

With a big change at OC, i would argue they have no idea what he is yet. But he showed enough to have some time invested into his development

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He's more mobile than people give him credit for.  

Please forgive me... 

He's not Michael Vick... but he's no Brock Purdy either.

 

good post.

contains ras.

1.56 10 split =  9.93 ras for QB.  That's real good. 

I like Pickett now.  I thought he was a good choice for the Steelers,  because Pitt, and the Pitt fans I guess are pissed because he's gone.  Winning record and the fans there like him.

Great 10 split.
On rookie deal - so cheap.
Was 1st round pick so was thought to be good at one point.
Didn't cost much to obtain.
Actually has a winning record as a NFL QB  14-10.

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

Kind of hard to argue with this after the collapse. 

Not sure it will go down, but I think Kellen will be our HC by the end of the 2024 season

15 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

With a big change at OC, i would argue they have no idea what he is yet. But he showed enough to have some time invested into his development

I think that’s precisely the idea. 

25 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I dislike Hurts as much as anyone and I'd rather see him start over Deadpool baby hands.

But...the ball looks huge in his hands!

Maybe lost a little bit with the Pickett trade was CJGJ saying he was one of the best young safeties and basically shooting down the idea that he’s here to also play nickel. If that’s the case, that’s disappointing. 

 

34 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Mims or Guyton most likely the pick in RD1.

Probably Guyton because Mims easily could be picked higher than Howie is willing to trade up for without having to unload that extra RD2 pick.

Sounds good to me

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe lost a little bit with the Pickett trade was CJGJ saying he was one of the best young safeties and basically shooting down the idea that he’s here to also play nickel. If that’s the case, that’s disappointing. 

If it walks like a duck . . . my suspicion is they'll go "3 safeties" with CJGJ essentially playing NCB even if they call it something else - and why does he have a problem with being a safety/NCB - last time I checked, NCBs get paid as well as safeties.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

- last time I checked, NCBs get paid as well as safeties.

Check again. The highest paid NCB in the NFL just got a deal that max’s out at $10M apy. Not even close to what good/top safeties get. 

46 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

With a big change at OC, i would argue they have no idea what he is yet. But he showed enough to have some time invested into his development

I dont think hes been released yet so they are investing more time.

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe lost a little bit with the Pickett trade was CJGJ saying he was one of the best young safeties and basically shooting down the idea that he’s here to also play nickel. If that’s the case, that’s disappointing. 

well when someone asked him his role, he didnt even talk about position. He said he is here to be a great teammate, and do what the team needs. 

He also talked about having to put his feelings aside (which I thought could have been about his position change too).

I did hear him refer to himself as one of the best young safeties though. So clearly thats how he thinks of himself.

I dont think his role is clarified though based on his PC. 

2 hours ago, judunno said:

Don't be stealing Random's shine with the RAS

Oh,  I disagree.  

I'm totally in favor of other people besides me using objective data to help make their arguments.  

Looking at his post caused me to go look at Pickett data.

Another piece of Pickett data from college
He was the Panthers starter for 4 years,  after 1 as a backup.

the first 3 years with the Panthers,  Pickett wasn't good.  He was mediocre.  His passer rating was in the 120s all 3 years,  and the Panthers record was right around .500.  Right there at mediocre.

And then,  as a Senior,  he had a great year.  Passer rating in the 160s.   Panthers go 11-3.

The NFL,  back to being mediocre,  as a starter.  Maybe it takes Pickett a long time to become good at a level,  college or NFL.  Maybe Pickett is mediocre,  and he had a fluke great year.   But he was mediocre in the NFL, he's getting paid almost nothing and it cost almost nothing to get him. Mediocre starter in the NFL tends to = decent enough backup in the NFL.  And this one might have a good season in the NFL in him.  

I prefer running QBs,  Hurts is a running QB.  I'd prefer the Eagles to have running QB backups.  Pickett is not a running QB backup. However that 10 split is great.   I'd prefer the Eagles fill the QB room with running QBs.  They have not.  I liked Mariota last year.  He's gone.  However he did cost more than Pickett.  

If the Eagles are going to get a backup QB of the type I don't want,  the Eagles did a very good job of getting the first QB drafted, in the first round, 3 years ago,  paying him almost nothing and spending almost nothing to get him.  He has not sucked,  he has a winning record. 

If the Eagles,  as a team,  were better than the Steelers, as a team, over the last 2 years, and that's something most here would agree with,  I see no reason why Pickett couldn't get a .500 record with the Eagles, or a little better.    Mediocre NFL starter becomes above average backup. Cost almost nothing to get and gets paid almost nothing.  

Leaving aside that I'd want 10 or so other players,  some who haven't been technically as good, and would probably cost more,   this was a great trade,  leveraging the traditional fact that teams often get rid of QBs who cost them a lot of resources for almost nothing.   The Eagles got a player I didn't want, for cheap, who should do backup QB acceptably well.   Most backup QB options are players I don't want,  and typically, they'd cost more.

Think CJGJ is a huge pickup for this defense with his versatility and speed. He's a ballhawk playmaker. Need to get more turnovers this year or the defense will rot on the field with these long drives. Has the swag and confidence. I think of him as a hybrid, like Jenkins. Like this guy's vibe, swag and "mamba mentality". Looks like he has matured. Blended with Blankenship as well. Just a fun player. Hope he stays healthy. All that said, want Simmons or Blackmon to round out the starters in secondary. Blackmon will be cheaper, and played with Rodgers. Sirianni also coached there his 1st year. Think we get one of these guys.

3 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

RAS or PFF ranking, which do you prefer?

me?

Sparq

But,  like how it works in the US,  the better disappears,  replaced by worse.

It's absolutely clear that taller is not better at positions like RB,  yet the taller RB would have the better RAS.   Sparq didn't take into consideration height.

Additionally,  the RAS pool is all college players.  The Sparq pool is all NFL players.   A sparq of 9.5 would be a great number.  A RAS of 9.5.

The only real flaw in the sparq formula was that there was no upper cap in the jumps.  Someone who ran fast would get a 10/10.  They wouldn't get 11/10.  But with the vert,  if someone got a 44 or something,  they would "win" and have the highest sparq.  At least a better vert is better than a taller running back.

But I guess some rich company, or something,  bought the website and now it doesn't work.  Before   https://www.3sigmaathlete.com/

which is still there,  but the data is gone and the website is broken and it's mostly useless,   I would use mostly https://draftscout.com/ 

It's still there,  it used to work better,  but it's not completely useless,  I still use it.

I would like the objective world,  apart from myself,  to get better and better,  with more sources of data put together great.  But that is not what is happening.  What is happening is that everything gets worse every day.

Pickett broke TATE hard

10 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Think CJGJ is a huge pickup for this defense with his versatility and speed. He's a ballhawk playmaker. Need to get more turnovers this year or the defense will rot on the field with these long drives. Has the swag and confidence. I think of him as a hybrid like Jenkins. Like this guy's vibe, swag and "mamba mentality". Looks like he has matured. Blended with Blankenship as well. Just a fun player. Hope he stays healthy. All that said, want Simmons or Blackmon to round out the starters in secondary. Blackmon will be cheaper, and played with Rodgers. Sirianni also coached there his 1st year. Think we get one of these guys.

At this point I'd rather them draft a 3rd safety and wait until Brown comes back. 

If Blankenship doesn't pan out this season I'd rather them have a younger, cost-controlled option ready to put in there that's already baked for a bit in the defense.  Like a Calen Bullock type of guy. 

@HazletonEagle

I think Brown and Rodgers are kind of forgotten entities in the secondary coming into this year. I'm hoping at least one of em can contribute. 

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Mike Williams is apparently visiting CAR on Tuesday after the Jets on Monday.  I wonder if seeing those two operations at work will result in him going back to the Chargers on a more team-friendly deal.

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I guess I'm more eager to see what he have in McKee before cutting bait on him. And yeah, the fact our LBs are still huge question marks mean I'd prefer to spend some mid round picks on them in the hopes we get a prospect that could turn into a semi-capable starter from one of them. 

VanSumeren had the highest PFF of the Eagles ILBs,  and cost nothing.

He's completely invisible to Eagles fans.

Last year,  after the draft,  and before the camp,  the Eagles had Dean as green dot and Morrow.   And they had VanSumeren who was one of many udfa without much consideration.    Morrow didn't go great in early preseason,  so they brought in Cunningham in early August.   Going into the season,  it was Dean, Morrow, Cunningham.

This year,  it seems that the Eagles fans need as many ILBs as necessary to remove VanSumeren from consideration.  
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Dean as green dot.  White/VanSumeren as other.  Fine.   But the Eagles fans need more.   And the offense is going with 10 players. 

WR1.  Brown  WR2.  Smith.  WR3.  Parker.  Backup to WR1.  Parker.  Backup to WR2.  Parker.    Eagles fans don't really notice this.

I've been making my own argument about how versatile freakbeasts would be excellent on offense.   The Eagles front office brings in those players I like, but the Eagles coaches don't use those players on offense.

Last year,  it was,  play Brown until he drops,  play Smith until he drops,  play Goedert until he drops.   My hope is that those players aren't burnt out and damaged when the playoffs arrive, and that more than just 2 WRs and 1 TE have enough practice on the field to be good enough to do something.  My preference is for versatile freakbeasts to do that,  but  that's not the only way to do that.

Reddick is a Linebacker.  Nolan Smith is a Linebacker.  Baum is a Linebacker.  Bryce Huff is a Linebacker.   They all play the same position,  OLB.  They could play ILB.   The Eagles could just go,  well Nolan,  you could play 25% of the snaps in the 4 man rotation at the single OLB spot the Eagles use on the other side of the DL opposite Sweat and Graham at DE,  or get good at ILB.

I think it'll work itself out in the 6 months between now and the first game.

10 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

VanSumeren had the highest PFF of the Eagles ILBs,  and cost nothing.

He's completely invisible to Eagles fans.

Last year,  after the draft,  and before the camp,  the Eagles had Dean as green dot and Morrow.   And they had VanSumeren who was one of many udfa without much consideration.    Morrow didn't go great in early preseason,  so they brought in Cunningham in early August.   Going into the season,  it was Dean, Morrow, Cunningham.

This year,  it seems that the Eagles fans need as many ILBs as necessary to remove VanSumeren from consideration.  
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Dean as green dot.  White/VanSumeren as other.  Fine.   But the Eagles fans need more.   And the offense is going with 10 players. 

WR1.  Brown  WR2.  Smith.  WR3.  Parker.  Backup to WR1.  Parker.  Backup to WR2.  Parker.    Eagles fans don't really notice this.

I've been making my own argument about how versatile freakbeasts would be excellent on offense.   The Eagles front office brings in those players I like, but the Eagles coaches don't use those players on offense.

Last year,  it was,  play Brown until he drops,  play Smith until he drops,  play Goedert until he drops.   My hope is that those players aren't burnt out and damaged when the playoffs arrive, and that more than just 2 WRs and 1 TE have enough practice on the field to be good enough to do something.  My preference is for versatile freakbeasts to do that,  but  that's not the only way to do that.

Reddick is a Linebacker.  Nolan Smith is a Linebacker.  Baum is a Linebacker.  Bryce Huff is a Linebacker.   They all play the same position,  OLB.  They could play ILB.   The Eagles could just go,  well Nolan,  you could play 25% of the snaps in the 4 man rotation at the single OLB spot the Eagles use on the other side of the DL opposite Sweat and Graham at DE,  or get good at ILB.

I think it'll work itself out in the 6 months between now and the first game.

Do you feel positional competence is a relevant consideration when asking a player to do something they haven’t done before? Or is that not really of value