2 hours ago, Mr_Philly said:

Can’t believe all this discussion over a backup quarterback that hopefully for us never sees the field, lol

IMO he'll see only preseason time , hope he looks good. howie gets to trade him during season before deadline with a better return on picks for next season , from a team with a QB injury.

 

19 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

2    Tanner Mordecai    6    16    26    61.5    207    8.0    9.5    2    0    153.8

Tanner Mordecai is in the 2024 draft.  Those were his stats from 2019.  153.8 is a pretty solid passer rating in limited reps.

He just played 1 year at Wisconsin,  had a pro day.  His rushing yards and yards per attempt weren't that good.  but his size - 6020 and 220  and his 40 time especially,  4.46 are interesting.

Ok,  when Tanner was putting up those 2019 stats as the backup,  who was the starting QB?

see ras compare for the answer

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=18948&p2=25527&pos=QB

In 2020,  the starting QB of this team had been drafted

Tanner Mordecai remained 2nd string with the stats

SO    QB    4    32    40    80.0    395    9.9    9.8    2    1    174.5

The 2019 3rd string QB of this team,  who is also in the draft this year, became the 2020 starter of this team,  with the stats

FR    QB   11  214  317   67.5     3031  9.6  10.3  28  7  172.6

after this year,  Tanner left this team and joined SMU  where he put up stats

JR    QB    12    308    454    67.8    3628    8.0    8.5    39    12    158.0

and the starter of that 2020 team became the backup with stats of

SO    QB    9    140    187    74.9    1483    7.9    7.9    11    5    155.5
 

The new 2021 starting QB of that team, who is also in the draft this year,  and who will be too expensive,  put up stats that year of

FR    QB    11    136    211    64.5    1912    9.1    10.2    21    4    169.6

The original QB on the 2019 team was Jalen Hurts. he had stats in 2019 of

SR    QB    14    237    340    69.7    3851    11.3    12.2    32    8    191.2

Tanner Mordecai who put up good passer ratings and a nice 4.46 40 and 36.5 vert
is projected by mock draft database as UDFA 489.

The 3rd string who went from 3rd to 1st in 2020 is Spencer Rattler, his passer rating was comparable to Mordecai's.   His ras was average, 
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=25104&p2=25527&pos=QB

mock draft database has him as 89, in the 3rd round.

The 2021 new QB starter Mock Draft Database has as 1.

I'm looking at all these ex Sooners QBs.  What I see is that  the earlier Sooners QBs had really impressive, record setting passer ratings.   Baker, Kyler, Jalen - all had big seasons over 190.  Then, starting in 2020 after Jalen,  the passer ratings peaked out around 170.   The best passer rating,  after Jalen,  was Mordecai,  with 174.5.  The passer ratings for all 3,  Mordecai,  Spencer Rattler, Caleb Williams, were all there around 170, in Oklahoma,  with Lincoln Riley.   Caleb went with Lincoln to USC,  and the passer rating stayed the same.   Mordecai went to SMU and Wisconsin,  and his best passer rating was 158.0. Rattler went to South Carolina (lot of players there) and his best passer rating was 147.7.   

To me it doesn't look like Caleb Williams is 1 to Mordecai's 489. The passer ratings are too close.  Getting Mordecai as a udfa seems like a reasonable choice.

 

 

Watching Pickett in preseason >>> watching Mariota or Minshew in preseason

3 hours ago, Mr_Philly said:

Can’t believe all this discussion over a backup quarterback that hopefully for us never sees the field, lol

But he will see the field at some point given Hurts has missed games the two seasons prior to this one and was clearly hurt this year as well.

I think tomorrow will be Simmons day. 

Not really sure what he means by this. 51% in a single game? Because he could become the starter week 10 after Russ flops and not hit that threshold 

Crazy how that’s really all the Bears could get for Fields?! Thought he’d be worth at least a 3 and another pick. 

My theory on QBs is if you don’t think you can get a first round pick for your QB then you probably need to find a new one.

The Bears are making the right choice. 

55 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Right because in a team sport like football, evaluating a QB's performance should be reduced down to a single win-loss stat when there are 21 other positions on offense and defense (plus ST) contributing to those wins and losses. Not passer rating, completion percentage, or even just overall offense output, nope let's look at wins and losses only to make the argument that Kenny Pickett is just as good as Justin Herbert.

It was more tongue in cheek and while I agree totally with the point you are making, for some people it still comes down to that ... at least when it helps their argument. Here are some examples:

 

 

 

 

Fair or not, team wins will always be used to measure QB success. When comparing QB stats from the Chargers and the Steelers, it would be wise to consider the two completely different offensive philosophies. Tomlin prefers a ball control, balanced attack (506 pass attempts / 487 rushing) and the Chargers like to feature the pass (632 pass / 431 rush). Herbert is the better, more experienced QB of the two and he's a starter and Pickett is now a backup. That says a lot about how each player is viewed around the NFL at this time. At this point it's hard to know if Herbert's career will be something like Stafford's or something like Wentz'.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not really sure what he means by this. 51% in a single game? Because he could become the starter week 10 after Russ flops and not hit that threshold 

51% of their offensive snaps in 2024 meaning if they have 400 total offensive snaps during the season and he plays 210 then it's a 4. If he becomes the starter late in the season he probably won't hit 51% which sucks for the bears 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Still think we gotta trust Howie on this because he has all the info at his disposal?

That was in regards to McKee. I know Howie more or less betting on his predraft eval on Pickett. 

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think tomorrow will be Simmons day. 

You will get Isaiah Simmons and hate it. 

This seems pretty good regarding Bryce Huff

"Computer vision shows that Huff's burst (i.e., the speed he reaches in his first 10 feet traveled once the ball is snapped) accounted for six of the top 10 single-game marks among all pass rushers in 2023”

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not really sure what he means by this. 51% in a single game? Because he could become the starter week 10 after Russ flops and not hit that threshold 

It says 51% of Pittsburgh's offensive snaps in 2024. So that would be of ALL their offensive snaps for the entire span of the season. 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-nfl-free-agency-deals-three-good-fits-and-three-head-scratchers-in-the-frenzy-s-opening-wave
 

They gave the Eagles 2 of the best fits with Huff and and Barkley.

Revising my checklist at the top of the Blog...

• New Coordinators - ✔️
• Adding talent to the back 7 - CJGJ, White
• Sorting out the Post-Kelce OL - Brought in Hennessy.  Still need to define RG.
• Extending Smith and Dickerson (and Williams?) - Dickerson done.
• More talent for the back 7 - I'll put Isiah Rodgers here
• The running back room - Saquon!
• Cox and Graham - One goes, one stays

Need to add the Reddick situation to the list.

A quick snapshot...

Eight out of 11 starters on offense are Pro Bowl worthy.  A lot of talented dudes on the DL.  Still plenty of time add more to the back 7.

Howie's offseason isn't the one week of free agency, it goes through the draft, UDFAs, SFAs, and training camp waiver wire claims and trades.

He doesn't panic, which is why he ends up with so many "steals."

He makes his share of mistakes, but since he came back, 6 PO appearances in 8 seasons, including two SBs. 29-30 other teams would probably like that track record.

Last three seasons with Siranni/Hurts, 12, 3, 7 in points, 14, 3, 8 in yards. Last season the defense collapsed.

As far as Fangio being "over the hill," since 2011, his defensive rankings:

4 years in SF, PA, 2, 2, 3, 10 YA, 4, 3, 5, 5

4 years Chi, PA 20, 24, 9, 1, YA, 14, 15, 10, 3

3 years Den (HC): PA 9, 1, 10, YA 10, 3, 12

MIA PA 22, YA 10.

I think his track record speaks for itself.

33 minutes ago, devpool said:

51% of their offensive snaps in 2024 meaning if they have 400 total offensive snaps during the season and he plays 210 then it's a 4. If he becomes the starter late in the season he probably won't hit 51% which sucks for the bears 

Right, that’s what I thought. It’s just the "so its very simple. If he becomes a starter, for one reason or another, it’s a 4” that makes no sense 

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You will get Isaiah Simmons and hate it. 

I still want to know why Spotrac has his market valuation at $16M APY

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I still want to know why Spotrac has his market valuation at $16M APY

They’ve had a lot of weird ones. 

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This seems pretty good regarding Bryce Huff

"Computer vision shows that Huff's burst (i.e., the speed he reaches in his first 10 feet traveled once the ball is snapped) accounted for six of the top 10 single-game marks among all pass rushers in 2023”

That’s good, but am I wrong in thinking this is something that’s certain to go down the more snaps he plays? It’s easier to be a third down pass rusher and give it your all every snap. 

33 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

 for some people it still comes down to that 

 

 

And the people that do that for Hurts are also oversimplifying an incredibly complex position down to a single stat, especially when there's an entire other side of the ball that the QB has no impact on. 

Quote

Fair or not, team wins will always be used to measure QB success. 

It's not even about fairness, it's just a really, really dumb way to measure QB success. 

46 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not really sure what he means by this. 51% in a single game? Because he could become the starter week 10 after Russ flops and not hit that threshold 

I assume it means total offensive snaps for the season. So in your example, no he wouldn't hit the threshold and the compensation remains as a 6th rd pick.

The Niners supposedly are sniffing around the safety market, Blackmon and Simmons specifically. Mike Silver says Hufanga sent guaranteed to get his starting job back. 

I’d love to see the Eagles man Blackmon. I’m on record as saying Blankenship is fine, especially given the contract, but if Blackmon is cheap enough, his range and coverage skills would be awfully enticing. Mosher and Caplan said Monday that the Eagles were interested in him. 

28 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'll put Isiah Rodgers here

Has there been any word on his reinstatement? I thought he was out for another year because he bet on his own team.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

The Niners supposedly are sniffing around the safety market, Blackmon and Simmons specifically. Mike Silver says Hufanga sent guaranteed to get his starting job back. 

I’d love to see the Eagles man Blackmon. I’m on record as saying Blankenship is fine, especially given the contract, but if Blackmon is cheap enough, his range and coverage skills would be awfully enticing. Mosher and Caplan said Monday that the Eagles were interested in him. 

Assuming you mean "isnt" in place of "sent", that's a bit shocking. Wonder if he had some sort of setback from with his knee, because otherwise that makes no sense at all.