2 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

The niners are just on a different level with defensive building compared to us right now, it's very discouraging and disappointing especially with the amount of money we had to spend this offseason. 

Different level or lucky on the hits they’ve had in the draft?  They’re in cap hell right now aren’t they?

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

On a related note, I absolutely hate when broadcasters market an upcoming game as QB vs QB as if the two will ever be on the field at the same time, trying to stop each other.

Weird way of looking at which one can lead their O better than the other.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Caleb is better than Fields so sitting him for a year would have been the dumbest of the options. 

Fields sucks especially since he is on a one year deal since no team is picking up that option. His value was limited because of that. 

Well Fields isn’t a QB though.  Put me in the Caleb flames out spectacularly in the NFL camp and this was a lose lose.

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sydney Brown looked nowhere near ready last season to be a starting NFL safety.  He was a liability out there much of the time.  Poor tackling, poor angles …. he’s really raw.  Even if he were totally healthy I’d want him redshirted one more season.

I'm just not a fan. Diminutive player and that showed up last year as he was sliding off NFL players. Great person, tries hard, all that stuff but the size just turns me off too much. Rather him and Blankenship as the back ups. 

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Well Fields isn’t a QB though.  Put me in the Caleb flames out spectacularly in the NFL camp and this was a lose lose.

Yep.

Lots and lots of red flags with him.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Its dumb in baseball for pitchers to get credits for wins.... and dumber in football for it to go to QBs. 

Doc Halladay threw 9 innings of 1 run baseball in the elimination game in the 2011 MLB playoffs.  He got the "L" because Adam Wainwright threw 9 shut out innings.  The entire Phillies offense deserved the "L" for that game.   Team sports, its stupid to give the W or L to any individual.  

 

It could be stated as Team record with such and such starting the game, which (IMO) would be a much better way of framing the discussion.

Catching up on this whole discussion and while i agree to an extent…it’s not crazy to use W/L as a barometer at times for the most important position on a team.

I raise you Steve Carlton as a counter…

Gut feeling we go OL with our first. I know many others feel the same.

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'm just not a fan. Diminutive player and that showed up last year as he was sliding off NFL players. Great person, tries hard, all that stuff but the size just turns me off too much. Rather him and Blankenship as the back ups. 

Which is why getting a Simmons on a 1-yr deal would be so ideal. 

58 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

You don't draft a QB 1 then sit him behind a guy that can't read a defense, that is just stupid. Who cares if Caleb isn't good in your opinion, Fields is worse, and it's not like Fields is a teacher or some great mentor. 

Remove the distraction 

This is the most important part, the Chicago fanbase is divided.  No reason to let Caleb’s fragile ego be completely ruined his rookie year with fields still there.  Look how well the QB indecisiveness worked out in NE as a recent example.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Which is why getting a Simmons on a 1-yr deal would be so ideal. 

I'd even do two if needed 

I do get the feeling the way they structured Barkley's contract and they decided to get a backup QB on a super low salary, Howie might be storing cap space for one big move yet to drop. Especially with how last season turned out where they took risks and certain positions and it totally backfired, I don't think he's going to want to go into next season without most positions shored up. And will want freedom in the draft to take BPA and not feel pressured into taking certain positions. Plus, a trade for a guy like Horn or Lattimore could be for the future as well. In 2025, both Slay and Bradberry will be gone and the Eagles could have one of those two guys as their starter in 2025 with Ringo, or perhaps one of them a starter with a first round pick this April.

So it would address a need next season and also give them flexibility to where they could go OT in round 1 and not have to worry about starting corner this year or next as much.

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Weird way of looking at which one can lead their O better than the other.

One might be leading his team against a very good defense and one might be doing the opposite. It's not weird at all to look past "head to head QB" hype.

If you want to sell a game featuring two key players, that's one thing, but to make it seem like one QB controls the other's fate is purposefully misleading. Only the opposing defense has a say in how a QB plays. 

8 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'm just not a fan. Diminutive player and that showed up last year as he was sliding off NFL players. Great person, tries hard, all that stuff but the size just turns me off too much. Rather him and Blankenship as the back ups. 

An inch smaller than #20, otherwise the same.

Browns now have 4 QBs on the roster all worthy of roster spots. Will they trade DTR? And if so, would the Eagles have been interested if they didn't already acquire Pickett? Word is the Eagles loved DTR last year.

12 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Different level or lucky on the hits they’ve had in the draft?  They’re in cap hell right now aren’t they?

They fell completely ass backwards into luck that Purdy could run the Shanahan offense.  The whole Jimmy G/Trey Lance fiasco was some heavy dysfunction.  I’m still not a believer in running the offense through a RB, either.

2024 is the last year before their window closes.  

there’s this weird cult of Bears fans who cannot accept that Justin Fields isn’t the savior of the franchise. They’re pissed about moving on to Caleb Williams. Reddit and Twitter getting bombarded by their idiocy

 

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

An inch smaller than #20, otherwise the same.

20 was the outlier. And Dawk is 6', Brown  is 5'10"

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Browns now have 4 QBs on the roster all worthy of roster spots. Will they trade DTR? And if so, would the Eagles have been interested if they didn't already acquire Pickett? Word is the Eagles loved DTR last year.

I think it says more about Watson than the rest. I don't think they are comfortable with him moving forward. I could be reading it all wrong but just how I see it.

38 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

They sent him to probably one of the top 5 worst places to have a QB develop at.

They sent him to a place he can reasonably contend to be a starter in 2024 or 2025. That’s as good as it was going to get for him. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think it says more about Watson than the rest. I don't think they are comfortable with him moving forward. I could be reading it all wrong but just how I see it.

The way Overthecap shows his contact as a post June 1 trade, it reads the Browns would eat $17M in dead cap for each of 2024, 2025, and 2026, then $8M in dead cap for 2027.  A good amount of "cap savings” in each year vs his current contract.

Now, getting another team to trade for Watson and that contract would be the tough part.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

I still think they will probably trade Reddick, which would make the defense worse on paper than it was last year. I think Reddick is a bigger net loss than any of the players they added were a gain.

CB - I think it’s in kind of a disaster state right now. They have no sure slot corner. Maybe they play CJGJ there, maybe they play him at safety or make him a hybrid, we just don’t know. Rodgers is a total unknown having missed a year and it’s not like he was some proven star when he was playing. Bradberry is cooked. Ringo is still a relative unknown. They still need at least two CBs as far as I’m concerned. A slot guy and an outside guy.

Safety I still think they need a starting caliber guy. Blankenship is about as meh as the day is long, and Brown tore his ACL in December. He may not be back by October for all we know and even if he is he may not look right. They need insurance there in case. Plus they may not even view CJGJ as a full time safety if they play him as a hybrid. And he has injury issues as it is. They definitely need another starting level guy there.

LB.., ugh don’t get me started. A total mess right now. Not only has Dean looked totally average when he was on the field he’s been really injury prone. And he had two lis franc injuries in the same season. Who knows how he’ll even look next season if he can even stay in the field. Relying on him as a starter is a fool’s errand,

So I think they need two CBs, one LB, another safety, and they may be losing Reddick. I think the defense is in a really bad way right now. I think they are probably done at LB because the market simply doesn’t have anyone left, but they could and should bring in another safety and the guys who cover the team have been consistent all saying they could still make a trade for a corner. Whether it be Lattimore or Horn. Surtain is a pipe dream that isn’t happening.

This.  The defense is beyond miserable and a big reason why my expectations are extremely low for next season 

59 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

They sent him to probably one of the top 5 worst places to have a QB develop at.

They ran out of options when they overvalued Fields it seems like 

6 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

This.  The defense is beyond miserable and a big reason why my expectations are extremely low for next season 

The defense was terrible at the end of last season because Patricia decided to change the playbook and none of the players knew their assignments.  The personnel itself is not "beyond miserable”, even without Reddick:

DT — Carter, Davis, Milton Williams

DE/EDGE — Graham, Sweat, Huff, Nolan Smith, Baun 

LB — White, Dean

CB — Slay, Ringo, Bradberry/Ricks

Safety — CJGJ, Blankenship, Sydney Brown

 

There's definitely a need for young talent at LB and DB but it’s not that bad.

40 minutes ago, just relax said:

An inch smaller than #20, otherwise the same.

Brown is 2" shorter. Well let's hope Brown can even be an 1/8 of the player Dawk has been. So far he looks like a back up and special teamer and now coming off an ACL.