59 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Different level or lucky on the hits they’ve had in the draft?  They’re in cap hell right now aren’t they?

I don't  think it's luck 

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

there’s this weird cult of Bears fans who cannot accept that Justin Fields isn’t the savior of the franchise. They’re pissed about moving on to Caleb Williams. Reddit and Twitter getting bombarded by their idiocy

 

Aka Ohio State fans 

59 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The way Overthecap shows his contact as a post June 1 trade, it reads the Browns would eat $17M in dead cap for each of 2024, 2025, and 2026, then $8M in dead cap for 2027.  A good amount of "cap savings” in each year vs his current contract.

Now, getting another team to trade for Watson and that contract would be the tough part.

You can’t have dead cap for anyone more than a span of two years. That’s just showing that years dead cap if they traded him in that specific year. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Aka Ohio State fans 

They aren't wrong to not want CW though. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

One might be leading his team against a very good defense and one might be doing the opposite. It's not weird at all to look past "head to head QB" hype.

If you want to sell a game featuring two key players, that's one thing, but to make it seem like one QB controls the other's fate is purposefully misleading. Only the opposing defense has a say in how a QB plays. 

Still a far way away from being a bad metric though.  It’s not the end all be all…people still know Peyton is one of the best to ever do it despite a horrid playoff record.  I’d argue that the QB says how the QB plays. 

29 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I don’t know why but him trying to get a  "post-nuptial agreement” after he got a mega extension is funny to me 

Will be interesting to see what he got

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

On the surface this actually isn’t insane (based off the Cle/Balt history)…but given the poster, it is.

I know a fair number of Browns fans... had a few summer gigs out that way.   To a man, every single one hates the Ravens more than they hate the Steelers... and that's saying something if you know about that rivalry.

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Catching up on this whole discussion and while i agree to an extent…it’s not crazy to use W/L as a barometer at times for the most important position on a team.

I raise you Steve Carlton as a counter…

I assume you are referring to his 1972 record of 27 wins for a 59 win team?    I'm not sure exactly what the counter is?  His 27 wins are more impressive than nearly every other 29 win team, but what is the point of bringing up Carlton?   My proposal of team record when such and such starts the game would be just as apropos.  He was absolutely phenomenal that year, and I wish I had been around to see it.  

34 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You can’t have dead cap for anyone more than a span of two years. That’s just showing that years dead cap if they traded him in that specific year. 

That makes more sense.  I was worried there might be some massaging going on with that contract 

23 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Will be interesting to see what he got

Would've liked him over the broken down shot Parker 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I wonder what kind of cigar 

14 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Would've liked him over the broken down shot Parker 

Parker seemed like a Howie obsession. Only a vet minimum deal but seems pretty lame

 

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Parker seemed like a Howie obsession. Only a vet minimum deal but seems pretty lame

Maybe he's just doing the agent a solid by bringing him to camp 

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

I think he's still cooking. Defense is still miles away from being respectable. A lot of work to do and the draft won't cover it all.

There’s only so much they can do in one offseason, IMO.  The defense ranked 30th in scoring this year, only ahead of Arizona and Washington.  And Washington sold off their defense before the trading deadline.

The Eagles had the 7th ranked scoring offense.  Arizona was 24, Washington 25.  Of all the top 10 offenses (besides ours), Miami was the only one with a bottom half defense (22, and, ironically, run by our new DC).  The Eagles had the 5th most first downs in the NFL on offense.  Every other offense in the top 5 with first downs had a defense that was top 10.

What am I getting at with the offense stats?  A good offense that scores points and churns 1st downs makes life a lot easier on the defense.  We had the 3rd worst scoring defense in the league even with a good offense.  One of the 2 inferior defenses sold off its players.  And neither had anywhere near the offense the Eagles did to control the ball and generate leads.

This defense was worse than the worst.  There is a very valid argument to make that it was the NFL’s worst defense.

It’s not realistically possible to just become a high end defense in one offseason.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

There’s only so much they can do in one offseason, IMO.  The defense ranked 30th in scoring this year, only ahead of Arizona and Washington.  And Washington sold off their defense before the trading deadline.

The Eagles had the 7th ranked scoring offense.  Arizona was 24, Washington 25.  Of all the top 10 offenses (besides ours), Miami was the only one with a bottom half defense (22, and, ironically, run by our new DC).  The Eagles had the 5th most first downs in the NFL on offense.  Every other offense in the top 5 with first downs had a defense that was top 10.

What am I getting at with the offense stats?  A good offense that scores points and churns 1st downs makes life a lot easier on the defense.  We had the 3rd worst scoring defense in the league even with a good offense.  One of the 2 inferior defenses sold off its players.  And neither had anywhere near the offense the Eagles did to control the ball and generate leads.

This defense was worse than the worst.  There is a very valid argument to make that it was the NFL’s worst defense.

It’s not realistically possible to just become a high end defense in one offseason.

I agree but the offense also had a knack for not getting first downs when they needed them. It’s why I’m hopeful for Barkley over Swift. The 4-minute offense stunk

The Fields trade is the reason I don’t like the Pickett trade.

QBs have binary value in this league.  They are either worth an entire franchise and a mountain of picks, or they have no value.  Yes, Nick Foles was a backup blah blah blah.  That’s not happening again.  Most NFL teams are neither allocating meaningful cap space nor trading draft capital for their backup QB.  

Tanner McKee was a well respected pure passer as a prospect, was a draft pick, and had a nice preseason last year.  6th round pick and a trade out of the 3rd round is more draft capital than most other teams have in their backups.

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

As I thought Fields wanted to go somewhere to actually compete for a starting job. Lay the we should've gotten Fields to rest. He was never an option.

17 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Parker seemed like a Howie obsession. Only a vet minimum deal but seems pretty lame

Yea he was hot for some Parker since his Miami days.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

As I thought Fields wanted to go somewhere to actually compete for a starting job. Lay the we should've gotten Fields to rest. He was never an option.

He won’t compete for the job in 2024, but he’s going to be competing to show them he can be their guy to replace Wilson after that.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He won’t compete for the job in 2024, but he’s going to be competing to show them he can be their guy to replace Wilson afer that.

Wilson isn't a lock as a starter all year 

 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He won’t compete for the job in 2024, but he’s going to be competing to show them he can be their guy to replace Wilson after that.

However you want to paint it he was never an option for the Eagles. He and his handlers felt he had a better shot as a Steeler.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

Will be interesting to see what he got

I like Osborn a lot. Hes probably being paid to be a starter

Just now, judunno said:

Wilson isn't a lock as a starter with

 

However you want to paint it he was never an option for the Eagles. He and his handlers felt he had a better shot as a Steeler.

He wasn’t an option, but it also shows the value of backup QBs.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He won’t compete for the job in 2024, but he’s going to be competing to show them he can be their guy to replace Wilson after that.

I think it’s a little Bears doing damage control but I don’t think Fields would have the right mindset to be a backup anyway.