3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

You keep failing to take into account what a difference going from two morons at DC to one of the best in the league in recent years will do for the defense. Huff replaces Reddick, you know, the guy who had a whopping one less sack in like 300 less snaps last season. 2023 was an outlier for Reddick, he's a 10-12 sack guy which Huff should easily provide and possibly even more with a bigger role. 

Reddick has been a top 5 edge rusher in terms of production in the NFL for 5 years. He has a proven track record. Huff has yet to prove he’s not a one year wonder. We can’t just assume Huff will replace his production. Reddick is damn good and has been really good for years now, those guys don’t grow on trees.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'll have to try those and give them another shot if I'm in Texas again. Maybe I tried them on a bad day. Even Post owns one.

I remember being unimpressed by them too, but I tried it in Alaska not a place really renowned for their fried chicken so maybe it was just a bad location. If I’m doing fried chicken I usually just go Popeyes route…also a local grocery store has surprisingly good fried chicken

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Reddick has been a top 5 edge rusher in terms of production in the NFL for 5 years. He has a proven track record. Huff has yet to prove he’s not a one year wonder. We can’t just assume Huff will replace his production. Reddick is damn good and has been really good for years now, those guys don’t grow on trees.

Reddick has been a 10-12 sack guy his entire career, minus one outlier year where everyone on the Eagles defense had career years. He's a really good player but you are overrating him based on a 16 sack season in 2022 that will never happen again. You are also failing to take into account that he will be 30 in September and wants a big money long term deal. It's pretty easy to see Reddick going in a certain direction, and Huff going in the other. I trust the Eagles when it comes to evaluating free agent talent as they have historically been very good at signing ascending players in their mid 20's who end up overperforming their contracts. I especially trust them when it comes to the OL and DL. Everything points to Huff being on the verge of a massive breakout. Banking on past performance from older players is in large part why their defense sucked so bad last season and why the CB position is a major question mark. No need to repeat that mistake at edge after signing Huff and using a first round pick on Smith in 2023.

21 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

It's not about whose better right now, it's about projecting things moving forward. Smith is a total wild card at this point but Huff was just as productive as Reddick last season with FAR less snaps so it wouldn't be a surprise if he was even more productive with a larger role next season.

Either way, we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. If Reddick is saying give me an extension or trade me it changes things dramatically. I just think the guy had a career year in 2022 and regressed back to the usual in 2023 and with him about to turn 30 in September giving him a massive extension would be stupid. Even if he remains the 10-12 sack guy he was in 2020, 2021, and 2023 for the next two to three years they should be able to replace that production with cheaper younger talent which is what I'm sure the Eagles thinking. I'm not sure why so many are struggling with this idea other than just being overly attached to Reddick or thinking the 16 sack season wasn't an outlier.

I don't think Reddick regressed at all. Toughed it out through an early injury and a moron DC and still put up numbers.

Using the Bradberry example as an argument against paying Sweat is goofy because an edge can play effectively in to his 30s more often than a CB can. 

Reddick hasn't even begun to look slowed down. 

Easily the best player on our defense last year. 

11 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Reddick has been a 10-12 sack guy his entire career, minus one outlier year where everyone on the Eagles defense had career years. He's a really good player but you are overrating him based on a 16 sack season in 2022 that will never happen again. You are also failing to take into account that he will be 30 in September and wants a big money long term deal. It's pretty easy to see Reddick going in a certain direction, and Huff going in the other. I trust the Eagles when it comes to evaluating free agent talent as they have historically been very good at signing ascending players in their mid 20's who end up overperforming their contracts. I especially trust them when it comes to the OL and DL. Everything points to Huff being on the verge of a massive breakout. Banking on past performance from older players is in large part why their defense sucked so bad last season and why the CB position is a major question mark. No need to repeat that mistake at edge after signing Huff and using a first round pick on Smith in 2023.

He’s been one of the most productive edge rushers in the entire NFL over the last 5 years. He’s really good, that doesn’t happen by accident. I think Reddick is a case you do it or just keep him on his current numbers or give him a slight pay bump. It doesn’t have to be pay him some insane contract or trade him, there is a middle ground to be had. But I would absolutely give him 20m per over a 2 year extension. He’s worth it and I think he will age very well.

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

I don't think Reddick regressed at all. Toughed it out through an early injury and a moron DC and still put up numbers.

2022 - 16 sacks

2023 - 11 sacks (it wasn't just the cast at the start of the year, he had 2.5 sacks over the last 6 games)

-5 sacks or a 31% dip in sack production which is THE definition of regression since he is paid to sack the QB.

Looking at his career his sacks since 2020 were 12.5, 11, 16, 11. Notice how one of these things is not like the other? Not to mention he isn't getting any younger at nearly 30 which would be fine for next season but NOT on a long term big money extension. I get people being pissed off if they are expecting him to have 2 or 3 more 16 sack seasons but that would be foolish anyway with his career history, let alone his age.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

2022 - 16 sacks

2023 - 11 sacks (it wasn't just the cast at the start of the year, he had 2.5 sacks over the last 6 games)

-5 sacks or a 31% dip in sack production which is THE definition of regression since he is paid to sack the QB.

Looking at his career his sacks since 2020 were 12.5, 11, 16, 11. Notice how one of these things is not like the other? Not to mention he isn't getting any younger at nearly 30 which would be fine for next season but NOT on a long term big money extension. I get people being pissed off if they are expecting him to have 2 or 3 more 16 sack seasons but that would be foolish anyway with his career history, let alone his age.

Yeah .. and he was injured and he had a DC that thought it was cool to drop him in coverage. The entire defense took a step back last year thanks to the goofball coordinators. Hard to look past that and not conclude that the DC played a huge role in sack numbers being down across the board.

6 minutes ago, judunno said:

Yeah .. and he was injured and he had a DC that thought it was cool to drop him in coverage. The entire defense took a step back last year thanks to the goofball coordinators. Hard to look past that and not conclude that the DC played a huge role in sack numbers being down across the board.

All excuses and none of it changes the fact that he regressed from 16 sacks to 11 and it wasn't just because of the cast earlier in the year since he was a no show down the stretch. Either way the entire defense also had career years in 2022. Reddick is a good player, but he's a 10-12 sack guy who had an outlier career year in 2022 and for some reason people seem to be expecting that type of production moving forward which is foolish based on past history but when you factor in his age it's just downright silly. You guys are acting like he's Micah Parsons or Nick Bosa level player.

The other thing about Reddick was he had 6 forced fumbles in 2022 and went down to only 1 in 2023. Just less splash plays by him last year and less consistent. He was pretty invisible last year overall.  As was the entire defense. I rather save the $20-25M a year he wants and invest it in another young up and comer like Huff next free agency. Can't use up all your bullets at once. Gotta be picky or you will be the Cowboys and hamstrung every free agency period.With all of that, would like Reddick for this year alone if possible. Only accepting a 2nd rounder here if I'm Howie.

9 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

2022 - 16 sacks

2023 - 11 sacks (it wasn't just the cast at the start of the year, he had 2.5 sacks over the last 6 games)

-5 sacks or a 31% dip in sack production which is THE definition of regression since he is paid to sack the QB.

Looking at his career his sacks since 2020 were 12.5, 11, 16, 11. Notice how one of these things is not like the other? Not to mention he isn't getting any younger at nearly 30 which would be fine for next season but NOT on a long term big money extension. I get people being pissed off if they are expecting him to have 2 or 3 more 16 sack seasons but that would be foolish anyway with his career history, let alone his age.

If he gets you 11-12 sacks each of the next two seasons, a reasonable 2 year extension is certainly worth it. 

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

All excuses and none of it changes the fact that he regressed from 16 sacks to 11 and it wasn't just because of the cast earlier in the year since he was a no show down the stretch. Either way the entire defense also had career years in 2022. Reddick is a good player, but he's a 10-12 sack guy who had an outlier career year in 2022 and for some reason people seem to be expecting that type of production moving forward which is foolish based on past history but when you factor in his age it's just downright silly.

Not excuses... facts. Who the hell is going to get sacks when the secondary is getting torched the way they were in that bum scheme? Surprised he still got double digits despite the circumstances. Same thing happened with Sweat 

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

If he gets you 11-12 sacks each of the next two seasons, a reasonable 2 year extension is certainly worth it. 

That's a lot of ifs banking on him only asking for a two year deal and the extension being reasonable. I would imagine if that were the case a new deal would have already been done and Sweat would have been the one leaving.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

That's a lot of ifs banking on him only asking for a two year deal and the extension being reasonable. I would imagine if that were the case a new deal would have already been done and Sweat would have been the one leaving.

He has to realize by now his asking price is too high. Maybe they meet in the middle and get it done. 

Just now, judunno said:

Not excuses... facts. Who the hell is going to get sacks when the secondary is getting torched the way they were in that bum scheme? Surprised he still got double digits despite the circumstances. Same thing happened with Sweat 

No the only fact is that he went from 16 sacks to 11 (which is in line with usual season for his career) which is the definition of regression and not only have you said he didn't regress you then had a bunch of excuses for why he did. If he was getting 15, 16, 17 sacks a season throughout his career your point would be valid (other than denying facts about regression) however his best seasons besides 2022 are 12.5, 11, and 11. You don't seem to do well with facts in a debate partner.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

He has to realize by now his asking price is too high. Maybe they meet in the middle and get it done. 

That would be great.

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

No the only fact is that he went from 16 sacks to 11 (which is in line with usual season for his career) which is the definition of regression and not only have you said he didn't regress you then had a bunch of excuses for why he did. If he was getting 15, 16, 17 sacks a season throughout his career your point would be valid (other than denying facts about regression) however his best seasons besides 2022 are 12.5, 11, and 11. You don't seem to do well with facts in a debate partner.

You're the only one stuck on 16 sacks. I'm good with 10 to 12 in a rotation in addition to what the other guys can bring. That's consistency.

 

Fact DC sucked thus fired 

Fact Reddick had a cast on and was injured in the early part of the season.

Fact the entire Defense Sweat and everyone else had a down year.

 

I'll take Reddick over Bosa. One of Kempski's best and hottest takes was right before the 2022 NFCCG he went through each of Reddick and Bosa's sacks and found how on all of Reddick's sacks he was owning his man one on one and making a play. And a ton of Bosa's sacks were the defense flushing a QB right into Bosa's lap, giving him a nice easy gimme. And he was talking about how Reddick is having the better season. And he was right.

F Nick Bosa. Dude's a fraud and a loser, I hate that guy. Give me Reddick any day of the week over that toolbag. And then of course Reddick backed it up by knocking two Niners QBs out of the game a few days later and winning the Eagles the game practically single-handedly. Total game wrecker. And of course Bosa didn't do jack crap. So once again F Nick Bosa. Fraud.

And I honestly don't care much about sack numbers, those are circumstantial. It's about your ability and how tough you are to block. You can be just as dominant and wind up with fewer sacks because of the teams you play or circumstances in games. Reddick looked just as explosive and dynamic to me in 2023 as ever. 11 sacks be damned.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

How many of these guys will make a 53 somewhere next year?

Bradley, Cunningham, Penny, Roby, OZ…5, tops. And even that’s a stretch. 

1 hour ago, Know Life said:

Last night, I tried Nerds gummy clusters. They’re pretty fire, and I hate myself way less for liking them.

Blue bag>>>>>Pink bag. Just FYI. 

23 minutes ago, judunno said:

You're the only one stuck on 16 sacks. I'm good with 10 to 12 in a rotation in addition to what the other guys can bring. That's consistency.

 

Fact DC sucked thus fired 

Fact Reddick had a cast on and was injured in the early part of the season.

Fact the entire Defense Sweat and everyone else had a down year.

 

Please tell me again how Reddick DIDN"T regress in 2023 even though his sack total dipped by 31% from 16 to 11. Maybe instead of doubling down with excuses and your opinions you should just admit that you were 100% wrong since you were.

16 sacks in 2022, 11 sacks in 2023, -5 sacks or a 31% dip in sack production = significant regression. Facts don't lie.

 

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'll take Reddick over Bosa. One of Kempski's best and hottest takes was right before the 2022 NFCCG he went through each of Reddick and Bosa's sacks and found how on all of Reddick's sacks he was owning his man one on one and making a play. And a ton of Bosa's sacks were the defense flushing a QB right into Bosa's lap, giving him a nice easy gimme. And he was talking about how Reddick is having the better season. And he was right.

F Nick Bosa. Dude's a fraud and a loser, I hate that guy. Give me Reddick any day of the week over that toolbag. And then of course Reddick backed it up by knocking two Niners QBs out of the game a few days later and winning the Eagles the game practically single-handedly. Total game wrecker. And of course Bosa didn't do jack crap. So once again F Nick Bosa. Fraud.

And I honestly don't care much about sack numbers, those are circumstantial. It's about your ability and how tough you are to block. You can be just as dominant and wind up with fewer sacks because of the teams you play or circumstances in games. Reddick looked just as explosive and dynamic to me in 2023 as ever. 11 sacks be damned.

The Eagles renegotiated with Reddick to push the $1M roster bonus to April 1.  For Reddick to agree to that, I think one of these scenarios is true:

a). Howie believes Reddick and the Eagles are making some progress toward a restructure or extension which can reach agreement in the coming days

b). Howie has a team who has agreed to trade for Reddick and pay him the type of extension he wants (or more than the Eagles), but they’re working out trade terms.  I think this is the more likely scenario.

 

If I had to venture a guess I’d say ATL is offering #74 overall and a later pick, and Howie is pushing hard for #43 overall.  Remember when Howie tried to trade up with ATL in front of DAL to draft CeeDee Lamb, and ATL wouldn’t budge on demanding a 2nd round pick, so the Eagles ended up drafting Reagor at #21?  Howie likely has a long memory and knows the Falcons really need an EDGE.  

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Please tell me again how Reddick DIDN"T regress in 2023 even though his sack total dipped by 31% from 16 to 11. Maybe instead of doubling down with excuses and your opinions you should just admit that you were 100% wrong since you were.

16 sacks in 2022, 11 sacks in 2023, -5 sacks or a 31% dip in sack production = significant regression. Facts don't lie.

 

You do realize that you're contradicting yourself right. You've said several times already that the 16 sacks was an outlier. If that's the case isn't the 11 around what he was expected to do? If that's the case where's the regression? You're sample size of one year doesn't make logical sense. I'll let you figure out what fallacy you're committing. This is some Reuben Frank type logic that you're putting out there.

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles renegotiated with Reddick to push the $1M roster bonus to April 1.  For Reddick to agree to that, I think one of these scenarios is true:

a). Howie believes Reddick and the Eagles are making some progress toward a restructure or extension which can reach agreement in the coming days

b). Howie has a team who has agreed to trade for Reddick and pay him the type of extension he wants (or more than the Eagles), but they’re working out trade terms.  I think this is the more likely scenario.

 

If I had to venture a guess I’d say ATL is offering #74 overall and a later pick, and Howie is pushing hard for #43 overall.  Remember when Howie tried to trade up with ATL in front of DAL to draft CeeDee Lamb, and ATL wouldn’t budge on demanding a 2nd round pick, so the Eagles ended up drafting Reagor at #21?  Howie likely has a long memory and knows the Falcons really need an EDGE.  

I feel very strongly that the holdup is a team not wanting to pay Reddick the money he wants. If his market two years ago was weak, I don't see why it would be strong now when he's two years older. And if a team isn't willing to pay him, they aren't going to trade for him since that is the reason he's being shopped in the first place. They'd just inherit the contract unhappiness he has here, otherwise. If teams wanted him he'd be traded already. Look how fast the Brian Burns deal came together.

Maybe some team will panic and get desperate, but I don't see it. Also, it has to be a scheme fit. Reddick isn't a hand in the ground prototypical edge rusher. So it needs to be a guy that fits a certain system on top of them liking the player.

I think what either ends up happening is Reddick doesn't get the money he wants, comes back to the Eagles and they meet in the middle. Or some team out there is willing to give him an extension, but not near the money he wants. Say 2 years at 18-20m per instead of the 25 he wants. And the Eagles trade him to that team that gives him the slight pay raise.

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Blue bag>>>>>Pink bag. Just FYI. 

Wait, so they get even better?!

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles renegotiated with Reddick to push the $1M roster bonus to April 1.  For Reddick to agree to that, I think one of these scenarios is true:

a). Howie believes Reddick and the Eagles are making some progress toward a restructure or extension which can reach agreement in the coming days

b). Howie has a team who has agreed to trade for Reddick and pay him the type of extension he wants (or more than the Eagles), but they’re working out trade terms.  I think this is the more likely scenario.

 

If I had to venture a guess I’d say ATL is offering #74 overall and a later pick, and Howie is pushing hard for #43 overall.  Remember when Howie tried to trade up with ATL in front of DAL to draft CeeDee Lamb, and ATL wouldn’t budge on demanding a 2nd round pick, so the Eagles ended up drafting Reagor at #21?  Howie likely has a long memory and knows the Falcons really need an EDGE.  

I think it has to be B. I just don’t get scenario A. If they were making progress on a restructure or extension, why not just pay the $1M as an offer of good faith? They could just include that small bonus in whatever they would eventually agree to. It’s not like it has any significant cap ramifications considering they still have a boat load of space.