5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'm sure it must have been the career ending type of tear. You know ... the kind that always happens in Negadelphia. 

 

I have no idea what the future holds for Zech. Players can often return to full activities in 6-9 months after the injury. He's likely already 100% healed. It's up to him to play well enough to make the team.

I’m not suggesting a torn Achilles is a career ending injury. I’m well aware of the timeline to return to sport. But the Achilles is a major injury for any cornerback, let alone a fourth-year player who hasn’t shown he can play in the NFL. 

The point is anything positive we get out of McPhearson should be seen as a bonus. There should be zero expectation for him at this point. 

Pretty good discussion on OL in this draft. Starts around 14:05

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

He’s probably our top nickel on the roster. Not even a healthy McPherson has his resume/experience. 

Yes, but McPhearson was our guy... so he's obviously going to be over valued by some around here.   Isaiah Rodgers is being penciled in as a starter right now by some, and we don't even know if he's eligible to be around the team, let alone what a year away from the game might have done to him.   And that's all while ignoring the fact that he was never a stud to begin with.  He's small, and fast.  I'm not sold on him by a long shot.   CB remains a massive need for this team, even with the new signing, and Slay coming back from injury... and Ringo on the roster, and Jobe and Ricks.   We have a lot of youth to go along with our elderly CBs (Slay and Bradberry)... I'm just not sure how much talent we actually have.    Mostly, I'm glad to see Howie adding more pieces at CB.  No one should be handed a job amongst the crew we have right now, and that includes the elder statesmen on the roster currently.  They need to prove that they can still play and the youngsters need to prove that they can play.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

 

That makes so much more sense than the original report.

Great off-season so far. Still some possibly good value left in FA, and going into the draft with very few immediate needs. 

42 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

On another note I think people are underestimating how much impact the Eagles are expecting Saquan Barkley to have. They didn’t pay him what they did just to slightly upgrade what they had. He’ll be a centerpiece of O

or maybe you're overestimating his ability to be a centerpiece? He's averaging 236 carries per year. Swift had 229 last year...

7 minutes ago, RunItBAck said:

or maybe you're overestimating his ability to be a centerpiece? He's averaging 236 carries per year. Swift had 229 last year...

I don’t think so. He should be much more effective than Swift, and I think we all saw a terrible utilization at RB last season. Should look better under a real OC who calls more than 3 passing and 2 running plays. 

3 minutes ago, RunItBAck said:

or maybe you're overestimating his ability to be a centerpiece? He's averaging 236 carries per year. Swift had 229 last year...

That's a weird way to count his carries, given that he missed almost an entire season to an ACL injury.   He has averaged 16+ carries per game in his career.   That equates to 275 carries.  And, adding in his receiving touches, he gets 20 touches a game, that's 340 touches a year.   Swift averaged just under 17 touches a game.  

Now, if you project that the Eagles should be more capable of sustaining drives than the Giants were with the likes of Tommy Cutlets and Daniel Jones at QB... we could see those numbers go up a little bit for Barkley.   Eagles have averaged 3-6 more plays per game than the Giants over the last 4 years.   The opportunity is there for Barkley to be a centerpiece, if they want to commit to him as such.   AND... given his contract, it seems unlikely he's here to be a decoy.  

Come on guys, Barkley's gonna ball out. My only worry with him is health, but when he's 100%, I'm not sure there's any other back aside from CMac who's better.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

On another note I think people are underestimating how much impact the Eagles are expecting Saquan Barkley to have. They didn’t pay him what they did just to slightly upgrade what they had. He’ll be a centerpiece of O

Statistically, it's hard for me to wrap my head around exactly what the Eagles have in mind with that Barkley signing.  Both Sanders and Swift were productive, given their roles and workload:

2022 Sanders -- 259 carries, 1,269 yards (4.9 ypr).  Wanted to come back; Eagles didn't want to pay him 4 years at $6.4M per season

2023 Swift -- 229 carries, 1,049 yards (4.6 ypr).  Local guy you'd figure would want to come back; Eagles didn't want to pay 3 years at $8M per season

2024 Barkley -- 4.0 yards per carry over the past 4 seasons.  Eagles paying him $13M/yr for two seasons, or $37.75M for 3 seasons

 

I've been reading on here Barkley is better in pass pro.  Okay, but I'm not sure I want to pay an extra $5M+ per year for the RB to block well.  Are the Eagles expecting a 300 carry, 1,500 yards impact?  It's been joked on here that Hurts will be stealing all of his red zone TDs, but that begs the serious question how impactful will Barkley be in the red zone?  For me, Barkley's impact has to be keeping the ball out of Hurts' hands in the ground game.  Take all of the heavy carries away from Hurts so he isn't absorbing any physical punishment.  He's not a power back per se, but that is an impact I feel he could have. 

Schematically, he also has to threaten defenses to the extent it takes coverage away from AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith because defenses have to allocate attention to Saquon.  Can he have that impact on a game?  I doubt it.  

 

Barkley's numbers since being drafted have been disappointing. Not just raw carries/yards/TDs etc, but his per snap/carry stats too. He's also 27 now with 1200+ NFL carries on his odometer.

He's also moving from one of the worst OLs in the NFL to one of the best, and going from a bad offense with a bad QB and very little talent at other skill positions to a place with multiple other offensive threats including a high end running QB and an OC with a history of success in the run game.

Both can be true.  I hope he does well because I've always liked him as a person and player, even on the Giants.  But it's really anyone's guess how it turns out IMO.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

He’s probably our top nickel on the roster. Not even a healthy McPherson has his resume/experience. 

Should be some fun competitions to watch in camp this year. Kid looks pretty good on tape. My hesitation is mainly based around the thought that if he’s some diamond in the rough, why didn’t the Raiders recognize that and keep him?

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Statistically, it's hard for me to wrap my head around exactly what the Eagles have in mind with that Barkley signing.  Both Sanders and Swift were productive, given their roles and workload:

2022 Sanders -- 259 carries, 1,269 yards (4.9 ypr).  Wanted to come back; Eagles didn't want to pay him 4 years at $6.4M per season

2023 Swift -- 229 carries, 1,049 yards (4.6 ypr).  Local guy you'd figure would want to come back; Eagles didn't want to pay 3 years at $8M per season

2024 Barkley -- 4.0 yards per carry over the past 4 seasons.  Eagles paying him $13M/yr for two seasons, or $37.75M for 3 seasons

 

I've been reading on here Barkley is better in pass pro.  Okay, but I'm not sure I want to pay an extra $5M+ per year for the RB to block well.  Are the Eagles expecting a 300 carry, 1,500 yards impact?  It's been joked on here that Hurts will be stealing all of his red zone TDs, but that begs the serious question how impactful will Barkley be in the red zone?  For me, Barkley's impact has to be keeping the ball out of Hurts' hands in the ground game.  Take all of the heavy carries away from Hurts so he isn't absorbing any physical punishment.  He's not a power back per se, but that is an impact I feel he could have. 

Schematically, he also has to threaten defenses to the extent it takes coverage away from AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith because defenses have to allocate attention to Saquon.  Can he have that impact on a game?  I doubt it.  

Being able to pas block has far more value than you place on it - if he was just a good pass blocker, that has limited value b/c it would signal a passing play.

But a RB who can gash a pass defense formation (6 DBs) or stop a blitz, makes life much harder on opposing DCs, he can protect the QB taking deep shots on 2nd and short, credible option on play action who must be defended, and a danger to convert on draw plays with size and speed in the open field against DBs. And after running behind the Giant OL, where every play was a power run (i..e getting hit behind or at the LOS), he'll have a great time running behind this OL.

I'm expecting next to nothing from McPhearson as far as the CB battle goes but one thing to remember is he was a top gunner. He excelled there and that can go a long way.

 

2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Big Cooper draft

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I've been reading on here Barkley is better in pass pro.  Okay, but I'm not sure I want to pay an extra $5M+ per year for the RB to block well.  Are the Eagles expecting a 300 carry, 1,500 yards impact?  It's been joked on here that Hurts will be stealing all of his red zone TDs, but that begs the serious question how impactful will Barkley be in the red zone?  For me, Barkley's impact has to be keeping the ball out of Hurts' hands in the ground game.  Take all of the heavy carries away from Hurts so he isn't absorbing any physical punishment.  He's not a power back per se, but that is an impact I feel he could have. 

Schematically, he also has to threaten defenses to the extent it takes coverage away from AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith because defenses have to allocate attention to Saquon.  Can he have that impact on a game?  I doubt it.  

How much would you pay for the guy that helps protect your $200M++ investment at QB?  That will make the offense more effective in the passing game?  That will make the scheme less obvious to the defense?  That has closing speed?

I can guarantee that the FO was weighing the incremental impact to the offense that Barkley would have vs what that $5M would do to help the defense, or at WR3, etc.

Edgerrin Cooper at 53 seems very plausible given the mock drafts I've seen.

Whenever I do mock drafts, the OLs get wiped out by the time I get to 50. There are usually some CBs, WRs, etc.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

Edgerrin Cooper at 53 seems very plausible given the mock drafts I've seen.

Whenever I do mock drafts, the OLs get wiped out by the time I get to 50. There are usually some CBs, WRs, etc.

Is Cooper the best off-ball LB in this draft class?  If so, there's not a chance in the world he's on the board at #53.  At least one off-ball LB gets chosen in the first round virtually every year.

58 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Come on guys, Barkley's gonna ball out. My only worry with him is health, but when he's 100%, I'm not sure there's any other back aside from CMac who's better.

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Is Cooper the best off-ball LB in this draft class?  If so, there's not a chance in the world he's on the board at #53.  At least one off-ball LB gets chosen in the first round virtually every year.

No he is not