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I dont really care. The tape matches his combine time. Pass.

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21 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont really care. The tape matches his combine time. Pass.

Agreed. But I’ll wait to see if Brugler has 40 times from scouts. He’s legit. I have no idea who that dude is. 

Unless a draft pick woos Sirianni early on, think Campbell & Parker can platoon as a 3rd/4th wide receiver combo. Campbell playing inside the 20's while Parker can get  some 3rd down and Red Zone opportunities. Cheap depth anyway you look at it. Should be an upgrade from Quez regardless. These guys can fit Moore's offense in multiple formations.

Howie is insistent upon adding depth this offseason and not getting caught like last year at slot receiver & overall depth at the position. Same can go for slot cornerback and linebacker. With injuries, the team suffered at all 3 of these positions. Like the experienced depth added here so far. Still want another vet safety, as I think CJGJ should be your main slot guy, but can be a hybrid at times. And a young LB in the draft to compete for starting minutes this year.

43 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thought it was interesting how they are pretty down on Guyton.

And the nuggets about the Ohio State pass rusher was an interesting one too. He beat Fashanu, he held his own against Joe Alt. And somewhat surprisingly, he was well handled by Mims.

Mims is the guy I think Howie wont be able to pass on. And Id be ok with it despite how raw he is.

Im afraid Howie could get tempted by Guyton if Mims is gone. And Im afraid because Im not sure if Guyton will turn out well.

Also, the Arizona OT who doesnt get a lot of pub, Morgan? Theyre higher on him than most. Their description reminds me of Tra Thomas. He will need a little work in run blocking, but is a great pass protector already.

I was much taken by the implied criticism of Mike Solari, the Cowboys' OL coach. All that business about "high hand, low hand" if you recall. Everything I've ever learned about OL pass blocking, or run blocking for that matter, involves being low. "Low man wins" is a truism, a basic. Certainly, for run blocking, it is absolutely basic. As for pass blocking, I think it still applies but there are some coaches who like the high hand low hand approach, where the outside (high) hand is just below shoulder height and the inside (low) hand is about waist high. The idea is that the rusher has greater difficulty getting around you if your hand is up on the outside, making it tougher to get past the outside shoulder. The low hand is well placed to punch or to guard against an inside rush.

Solari teaches that. 

My view is that both hands should be low for a number of reasons. First, for balance. Second for simplicity (think of rub our head, pat your stomach; that's not good). Third, because it gives you the ability to punch to either side. Fourth, because the high hand is begging for a simple rip move to get around the outside shoulder. If your hand is high, the rusher is much better positioned to get under your block. In fact, you're giving it to him.

Both those guys are down on that and, I noted, pretty down on the Turds' OL. They talked about Tyron  Smith being available but he's with the Jets now, I believe.

As to your expectation of what Howie might be tempted by, I take consolation in the notion that Stoutland will have major input on the decision. That should help.

12 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Unless a draft pick woos Sirianni early on, think Campbell & Parker can platoon as a 3rd/4th wide receiver combo. Campbell playing inside the 20's while Parker can get  some 3rd down and Red Zone opportunities. Cheap depth anyway you look at it. Should be an upgrade from Quez regardless. These guys can fit Moore's offense in multiple formations.

Howie is insistent upon adding depth this offseason and not getting caught like last year at slot receiver & overall depth at the position. Same can go for slot cornerback and linebacker. With injuries, the team suffered at all 3 of these positions. Like the experienced depth added here so far. Still want another vet safety, as I think CJGJ should be your main slot guy, but can be a hybrid at times. And a young LB in the draft to compete for starting minutes this year.

I'd take the top 10-15 WR in this draft over Parker and Campbell.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd take the top 10-15 WR in this draft over Parker and Campbell.

Paris Campbell being added adds a whole new dimension to the offense that almost now forces you to add 2 WRs now.

If Campbell goes down, no one fills his role. If Smith or Brown goes down, I dont think any of us want Parker starting. You still need a legit backup Wide receier, and now you need a backup for Campbell's role too.

I would say though, Ladd McConkey is a guy who can fill every one of those roles. He can be WR 3 instantly.  He can be used in motion. And he can be an outside WR.

2 hours ago, GoEagles5921 said:

I can’t think of 2 worse receivers to sign than Parker and Campbell.  My lord 

That’s your 4th WR battle right there…

Does anyone else have residual excitement hesitancy for next season given how the team collapsed? Was it the coaches that were fired? That certainly played a big part. Unsure what caused the complete meltdown still to this day as it surely went beyond coaching. Players had zero interest in trying to play let alone win. Idk how that gets fixed and turned around 180° in a few months, especially with losing key leaders on both sides of the ball to retirement.

I would feel much better if we knew what actually transpired, or at least that it was resolved.

Hope the Campbell signing doesn't keep them from adding to the position in the draft. There will be some serious value around Pick 120.

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Does anyone else have residual excitement hesitancy for next season given how the team collapsed? Was it the coaches that were fired? That certainly played a big part. Unsure what caused the complete meltdown still to this day as it surely went beyond coaching. Players had zero interest in trying to play let alone win. Idk how that gets fixed and turned around 180° in a few months, especially with losing key leaders on both sides of the ball to retirement.

I would feel much better if we knew what actually transpired, or at least that it was resolved.

No. Ready for a super bowl run.

If they keep winning close games on seemingly lucky bounces or dropped balls then Ill worry we are headed for the same fate.

But Im gonna enjoy it and let them show me who they are first.

How about last season was simply a Superbowl hangover letdown? The way they lost that game still stings! Just so many reasons why things fell apart. Most important one, they just weren't that good. Got older/slower, injured, lost both coordinators and Sirianni was lost being the leader without them. Hurts big contract & pressure, along with the season long injury sure didn't help matters. I think they have started off this offseason with some good replacements and additions on all accounts, which make me excited again. They have added alot of swag as well! Think the younger core will be hungrier as well and just know what it takes to get this done and hopefully take up more of a leadership role, with no Kelce or Cox . 12-5 team at least here.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No need to kid ourselves, there's far more dysfunction behind the scenes than they let on. We've seen plenty of evidence of it over the years.

Correct.  LOTS of it.   And tunnel vision.

 

24 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Does anyone else have residual excitement hesitancy for next season given how the team collapsed? Was it the coaches that were fired? That certainly played a big part. Unsure what caused the complete meltdown still to this day as it surely went beyond coaching. Players had zero interest in trying to play let alone win. Idk how that gets fixed and turned around 180° in a few months, especially with losing key leaders on both sides of the ball to retirement.

I would feel much better if we knew what actually transpired, or at least that it was resolved.

I'm on a wait and see approach. Everyone blames coaches, who for sure had a major hand in everything, but players should be held accountable as well. It's safe to say Fangio and Moore are upgrades on the coaching staff but I'm still on the fence with Sirianni. I'm not sold on him just being a Cheerleader coach and I think he and Moore might bump heads at some point. It just feels very 2020 to me with Doug and trying to change his offense. If I had to guess, he's not the long term HC of this team. 

On the players side, I think the loss of Kelce and Cox is understated. I don't think it will be a smooth transition replacing them. Also what happens with Reddick changes the defensive outlook. On top of that, they are bringing in a lot of new players. I think it will take some time to gel as a unit, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I would be surprised if they jump hot out of the gate like the last two years. Also still worried about playing Bradberry/Slay a year older, but let's see if that changes between now and Week 1. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm on a wait and see approach. Everyone blames coaches, who for sure had a major hand in everything, but players should be held accountable as well. It's safe to say Fangio and Moore are upgrades on the coaching staff but I'm still on the fence with Sirianni. I'm not sold on him just being a Cheerleader coach and I think he and Moore might bump heads at some point. It just feels very 2020 to me with Doug and trying to change his offense. If I had to guess, he's not the long term HC of this team. 

On the players side, I think the loss of Kelce and Cox is understated. I don't think it will be a smooth transition replacing them. Also what happens with Reddick changes the defensive outlook. On top of that, they are bringing in a lot of new players. I think it will take some time to gel as a unit, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I would be surprised if they jump hot out of the gate like the last two years. Also still worried about playing Bradberry/Slay a year older, but let's see if that changes between now and Week 1. 

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So much good stuff here.    The big concern for me with Moore is whether or not Sirianni has been emasculated enough to not be allowed to interfere with Moore's scheme.  I don't want a hybrid of the Sirianni scheme and the Moore scheme.  I want Moore to have the authority to run everything his way, and Sirianni can be in charge of whether or not they go for it or not on 4th downs... but beyond that, I don't want his hand involved.  Can he stay out of the way and let the guy who knows how to run an offense actually do it?   Time will tell.

 

Moreover, the greater concern is that IF Moore can bring this offense back to where they should be... a true top 3 or higher offense... will he be plucked after just one year as coordinator?   If so, I need the Eagles to be smart enough to recognize that he's a coach worth keeping and that a coach like Sirianni is easily found elsewhere... and they fire Sirianni and promote Moore.   Unorthodox?   Yes.   But, frankly, I wanted Sirianni shown the door along with his coordinators.  So, to me, Sirianni isn't even here as the head coach in any capacity more than just as the figure head.  Fangio runs the defense, Moore runs the offense... and if Sirianni wants to make himself useful he can run and get them coffee, or sit in on ST meetings with Clay.

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

Does anyone else have residual excitement hesitancy for next season given how the team collapsed? Was it the coaches that were fired? That certainly played a big part. Unsure what caused the complete meltdown still to this day as it surely went beyond coaching. Players had zero interest in trying to play let alone win. Idk how that gets fixed and turned around 180° in a few months, especially with losing key leaders on both sides of the ball to retirement.

I would feel much better if we knew what actually transpired, or at least that it was resolved.

We saw the same players play fantastic down the stretch in 2022. I am excited because I strongly believe it was 100% the mundaneness of Brian Johnson’s playcalling and the terrible mistake of swapping D coordinators who run completely different systems. Desai should have been fired after the season, no question, but going from a Fangian to a Belichickian defensive system with no install was preposterous.
 

And for the other guy, Jalen handled the Bucs early in the season but got blown out because we couldn’t call a play with a slant against cover 0. We stopped running Swift after the first month of the season. He got 50% of his yards in 5 games.

 

Fangio and Moore aren’t god’s gift to coordinators, but they’re both absolutely fringe top 10 guys at their spot, which is worlds better than we had. And with the proper coordinators, I believe Sirianni is as good of a coach as we need, especially because the veteran players believe that. 

55 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Does anyone else have residual excitement hesitancy for next season given how the team collapsed? Was it the coaches that were fired? That certainly played a big part. Unsure what caused the complete meltdown still to this day as it surely went beyond coaching. Players had zero interest in trying to play let alone win. Idk how that gets fixed and turned around 180° in a few months, especially with losing key leaders on both sides of the ball to retirement.

I would feel much better if we knew what actually transpired, or at least that it was resolved.

I was excited when they said it'll be the OCs offense and then disappointed when Nick said he'll be mixing his with Moore's offense in the latest PC. I think if Nick is involved then we'll see questionable play design again. Though if they either collapse again or just outright fail then I expect Nick to be gone. Oline will be interesting without Kelce. Curious how different it will look if any

On defense I'm curious especially with the way Howie is with LB and what he's done or not done with the secondary. We'll see if Fangio can do something. I'm hoping the Dline can go back to its dominate phase at least

Whoever thought this would be a disaster officiating, you are correct. 

The Eagles will be good to great next season. How good primarily depends on how good Hurts actually is. I think Jurgens will be just fine and very good at center. The offense is elite in terms of talent. It's the most talented offense in the NFL(yes more talented than the Niners). The defense has major questions and if they lose Reddick, talent-wise as it stands right now I think they'd actually be worse than last year. Reddick to Huff is a bigger dropoff than Byard to CJGJ is a gain and at a more important position too. Plus the loss of Cox who was one of their best 2023 players. But I think Patricia to Fangio is the single biggest upgrade the team made this offseason and another won't top it. You're going from a bum clueless coordinator to one of the best. So even if the defense downgrades talent they should be much more respectable under him.

But the most important thing is Hurts. Is 2024 Hurts going to be closer to 2022 or 2023? If it's 2022 this team has 13-14 win ceiling. If it's 2023 they'll be closer to 10-11 wins again. the latter has bigger ramifications than just wins and losses. Because if he plays like 2023 Hurts again, there will be tons of talk a year from now about the Eagles considering moving on from him. If not in 2024 then in 2025. And you gotta wonder if the hedging on that has already somewhat started with the acquisition of Pickett as a low risk insurance move/flier.

I like Sirianni in the role he played in 2022. Just be the culture setter and CEO of the team. Let your coordinators do their work. Don't want him meddling. That's perfectly fine if he stays out of the way. Had a bad last several weeks here. On the whole, he's done a good job here and do like him staying. If the Cowboy coach gets to keep his job after failing horribly in the playoffs for 4 straight years, then he certainly deserves a chance to rebound after an underperforming of one third of a season. Yes, it was a collapse of epic proportions, but that's his one stain in 3 years. Think he learns from his mistakes and does well this year.

11 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

And with the proper coordinators, I believe Sirianni is as good of a coach as we need, especially because the veteran players believe that. 

Problem is his two biggest veteran supporters retired. It may not mean anything ultimately, especially if they are winning, but it is something I think about. Most fans are tired of hearing about dog mentality or the 5 core principles, I'm sure some of the other younger players are as well. 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But the most important thing is Hurts. Is 2024 Hurts going to be closer to 2022 or 2023? If it's 2022 this team has 13-14 win ceiling. If it's 2023 they'll be closer to 10-11 wins again. the latter has bigger ramifications than just wins and losses. Because if he plays like 2023 Hurts again, there will be tons of talk a year from now about the Eagles considering moving on from him. If not in 2024 then in 2025. And you gotta wonder if the hedging on that has already somewhat started with the acquisition of Pickett as a low risk insurance move/flier.

My guess is somewhere in the middle between 2022 and 2023 Hurts.  He didn't look right in Week 1 against the Pats last season; I think he played all year with something.  Hopefully he starts the season healthy and the Eagles utilize Barkley properly to carry the load in the running game.  Hurts' runs (outside of the red zone) need to be getting down and getting out of bounds -- keep the contact absorbed to a minimum.  It will be a good early sign for Kellen Moore if we stop seeing the "scramble around to the right and lob the ball out of bounds" from Hurts that was so prevalent in the offense this past season.

I still view the division as very winnable.  WAS and the NYG are still somewhat dysfunctional and rebuilding, and I think DAL falls back a bit this season.  11-12 wins could win the division.  

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whoever thought this would be a disaster officiating, you are correct. 

May be hard for officials? It's going to be a shitshow

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23 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Dean is already very undersized so I don't think adding another undersized LB is smart

Two problems with your argument.

1) Dean is terrible.  He's not the Axeman, and not Axeman, Jr.

2) Your argument is also too logical, and I reject it because it results in us not getting Axeman, Jr.

In conclusion, I still want Axeman, Jr.

Yea, we certainly should be afraid of teams being smart and trying to get better in the future. 

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