6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Caplan said the Eagles won’t trade him for less than a 2nd+. Fowler said the Cardinals could be interested but nothing is reported to have been close.

I mean his value to them playing is worth more than a 3rd. It always has been. Unless they get a 2nd and likely a conditional pick, I’ve always assumed they do what the cardinals did with Buddha baker where they gave him some more money to smooth things over without giving him an extension  

34 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I keep trying to tell people that they didn't bring him in with the idea that he will just be a camp body. My guess is they really liked him in the draft and think they can turn him into a player.

what do you mean you keep trying to tell people? I think everyone knows that. I havent seen anyone call him a camp body here. 

Eagles clearly trading Hurts.

Qb factory is reopen for business

Im thinking thats just a camp arm.

Seems like a QB to help other QBs learn system 

50 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I would think you get the higher picks in 2025, that's how it usually works. And we have enough in this draft already I think, unless the Cards are giving you pick 35 then I'd think differently. Maybe to get that pick we throw them back a later round selection to sweeten it up?

Disagree on having enough picks this draft, especially if we are talking the third round.

We have a lot of holes to fill and development to be done. If you project our needs beyond 2024, we need an OT, OG, WR, TE, CB, LB, and EDGE.

The strength of this draft is going to be the 20-90 range. If you add a third rounder, you can fill one of the lower tier positions (OG, TE, LB, 3rd WR) with a starting caliber prospect.

I’d take the third this year. That gives us better depth now and a player who should be able to be a major contributor in 2025.

Besides, I don’t think anyone is giving us a second, even if it’s in 2025. If we want to add future picks I would trade down with one of our second rounders.

12 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Qb factory is reopen for business

Who do you guys think is a better QB4 than Will Grier right now? 

No CJGJ contract details at this point says a lot....

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

Disagree on having enough picks this draft, especially if we are talking the third round.

We have a lot of holes to fill and development to be done. If you project our needs beyond 2024, we need an OT, OG, WR, TE, CB, LB, and EDGE.

The strength of this draft is going to be the 20-90 range. If you add a third rounder, you can fill one of the lower tier positions (OG, TE, LB, 3rd WR) with a starting caliber prospect.

I’d take the third this year. That gives us better depth now and a player who should be able to be a major contributor in 2025.

Besides, I don’t think anyone is giving us a second, even if it’s in 2025. If we want to add future picks I would trade down with one of our second rounders.

You're not going to fill all of that in one draft.

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

Disagree on having enough picks this draft, especially if we are talking the third round.

We have a lot of holes to fill and development to be done. If you project our needs beyond 2024, we need an OT, OG, WR, TE, CB, LB, and EDGE.

The strength of this draft is going to be the 20-90 range. If you add a third rounder, you can fill one of the lower tier positions (OG, TE, LB, 3rd WR) with a starting caliber prospect.

I’d take the third this year. That gives us better depth now and a player who should be able to be a major contributor in 2025.

Besides, I don’t think anyone is giving us a second, even if it’s in 2025. If we want to add future picks I would trade down with one of our second rounders.

If you're talking a 3rd this year vs a 2nd in 2025, I'm taking the 2025 pick. For this year though, I would target that Cards pick #35. I doubt they do it straight up, but we can add a pick to possibly sweeten it up. 

1 minute ago, judunno said:

You're not going to fill all of that in one draft.

Exactly why we need more picks now. We need to get ahead of the roster turnover that’s coming.

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

If you're talking a 3rd this year vs a 2nd in 2025, I'm taking the 2025 pick. For this year though, I would target that Cards pick #35. I doubt they do it straight up, but we can add a pick to possibly sweeten it up. 

I don’t think there is any world where someone gives up a 2025 second. But even if someone did, I’d still take a third this year.

We need the depth and we need guys in the system with a year of experience because we aren’t going to have the cap room next year to make moves.

A third rounder gets you a good WR, LB, or OG prospect this year. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who do you guys think is a better QB4 than Will Grier right now? 

When you are getting that far down in the depth chart, I think Jalen Hurts starts to come in to the conversation. I might take Hurts over Grier as QB4. 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

I don’t think there is any world where someone gives up a 2025 second. But even if someone did, I’d still take a third this year.

We need the depth and we need guys in the system with a year of experience because we aren’t going to have the cap room next year to make moves.

A third rounder gets you a good WR, LB, or OG prospect this year. 

In Howie's world we get a 2nd. I think they could get a 2025 2nd, somehow.  Everything we have read is Howie will not take the loss on value with a Reddick trade. There may need to be a sweetener. I don't view this draft as a super strong deep draft either, so I value the 2025 2nd over the 3rd this year. But I see all your points. 

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

Exactly why we need more picks now. We need to get ahead of the roster turnover that’s coming.

Yeah but all of that roster turnover wont be filled via the draft. FA plays a huge part every year. Then for whatever guys they decide to let walk in FA there are comp picks. It's not as dire as it seems.

44 minutes ago, austinfan said:

At this point I don't even know why they run the 40 anymore, given today's technology, just let AI determine his speed off game film, in pads, doing football things.

I think part of it is for the fans, part is to explore the athletes on the same setting rather than how the position was played at their particular school and part of the athletic part of the combine and pro days is to see how likely discipliner the player will be in preparation during the off season.  I am sure they spend a lot of time with coaches and on film, especially for the Day 22 and Day 3 but this also affords Day 3 and 4 (UDFAs) the opportunity to provide similar data.  

Take routes, the player can get away with rounded routes in college, but that gets no separation in the NFL.  That’s why awful 3 cone and short shuttle results like JJAW kind of revealed what he would be in the NFL, that did not show up in college.  Or take coverage at LB or DB.  In college, the player can hit and grab until the ball is in the air, unlike the NFL, so burst, make up speed, agility aren’t as apparent on film but standard athleticism is in the testing so it helps round out the information available. So are the standard position drills.  In college, so many DBs run slants instead of hip flips.  Slant is a killer in the NFL because without the contact the NCAA allows, slant the wrong way and the WR has separated.  

Every little sliver that helps identify that diamond in the rough may make the team better.  

There are things that film study, coach interviews etc. are necessary on that the pro day and combine drills won’t identify.  Football IQ.  I don’t care how well a RB runs or how many times he makes the corner in college.  Does he read his blocks, skinny through the hole and burst through the hole, stays true to the design of the play, can he pass pro etc.  Lack of instincts.

So, can a young (only about to turn 23) Brandon Smith, who looks like the prototypical LB as far as size and athleticism, develop football IQ, instincts and fundamentals or is he destined to be yet another five star recruit flaming out after HS?  Therein lies the rub against combine alone.  Kind of falls to Bobby Knight now.  Interestingly, prior projects for him, like Zach Cunningham, came out of college praised for their instincts, football IQ and nose for the football, but Al-Shaair didn’t.  So can Knight help Smith develop those fundamentals and instincts or is it a hopeless cause. (Another ruined athlete from Franklin).  Well, his combine 40 won’t answer that question.  

Here’s a weird stat. Paris Campbells two longest career catches came from…

 

 

 

 

 

Carson Wentz and Nick Foles 

39 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Seems like a QB to help other QBs learn system 

Yup. He's the prototypical bad player but could eventually be a coach. 

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Here’s a weird stat. Paris Campbells two longest career catches came from…

 

 

 

 

 

Carson Wentz and Nick Foles 

 

Rainy miserable day. Good day to sign Justin Simmons or trade for a CB.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Rainy miserable day. Good day to sign Justin Simmons or trade for a CB.

 

13 hours ago, TEW said:

Eagles are using one of their visits on Theo Johnson out of Penn State. For the RAS fans, he’s out of this world. But he’s been an underachiever considering his physical gifts.

I’m guessing the Eagles are doing their due diligence because of his upside.

If they’re satisfied that they can coach him up he’d be a really intriguing day 3 pick to develop behind Goedert.

He'd be a fun pick due to his specs, but he probably wouldn't do much for half his rookie deal.  2 years to get him up to speed.  That's fine for a day 3 pick and I'd be excited.  If another team falls in love with the measurables and wants to draft him in the 2nd-3rd round, then they can have him.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

I don't think the Panthers are itching to unload the 8th overall pick from just a couple years ago.