When was the last good non-DL player this team drafted on defense? Setting the bar low, not even asking for great. Who was the last actually good, starting caliber player they drafted who wasn't a DL? Hicks?

There aren't many because they use all their day 3 picks on the back 7. Their one 2nd round corner in like 10 years was a dude with a blown Achilles and they probably look at that and say "welp that's why we draft corners late" 

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Last year we used top 30 visits on Carter, Smith and Ringo. 

Yup.

Latu at 22 IS a Howie move.

12 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Poor Parris Campbell is going to be in a traditional 80s number.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Poor Parris Campbell is going to be in a traditional 80s number.

He can also wear 13

5 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

He can also wear 13

how?

2 hours ago, devpool said:

When was the last good non-DL player this team drafted? Setting the bar low, not even asking for great. Who was the last actually good, starting caliber player they drafted who wasn't a DL? Hicks?

There aren't many because they use all their day 3 picks on the back 7. Their one 2nd round corner in like 10 years was a dude with a blown Achilles and they probably look at that and say "welp that's why we draft corners late" 

Are you talking just defense? Because there's plenty of OL to choose from and Smith at WR and Hurts of course. 

If you're just talking defense then yeah it's been awhile. Maddox was decent but if you didn't want to count him it might be Rasul Douglas in 2017.

 

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Last year we used top 30 visits on Carter, Smith and Ringo. 

Yeah. 

So 1st round,  and then a UDFA.

Seems that way every year. You'll go through rounds where there's a guy in that list available,  and he doesn't get picked.  

It's not a great predictor outside of found 1.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah. 

So 1st round,  and then a UDFA.

Seems that way every year. You'll go through rounds where there's a guy in that list available,  and he doesn't get picked.  

It's not a great predictor outside of found 1.

Ringo was a 4th rounder

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Ringo was a 4th rounder

Woops I was thinking of Ricks.

So first round,  and 1 other player. 

Anyway,  just something I've noticed over the years.  But in the moment of the past few drafts,  I've felt this way. Like man this list wasn't very helpful. 

 

3 hours ago, devpool said:

When was the last good non-DL player this team drafted? Setting the bar low, not even asking for great. Who was the last actually good, starting caliber player they drafted who wasn't a DL? Hicks?

There aren't many because they use all their day 3 picks on the back 7. Their one 2nd round corner in like 10 years was a dude with a blown Achilles and they probably look at that and say "welp that's why we draft corners late" 

Part of the reason why our defense is so bad and why I was hoping another front office person who had a successful history with defense was added to assist with this defensive rebuild.

3 hours ago, devpool said:

When was the last good non-DL player this team drafted? Setting the bar low, not even asking for great. Who was the last actually good, starting caliber player they drafted who wasn't a DL? Hicks?

There aren't many because they use all their day 3 picks on the back 7. Their one 2nd round corner in like 10 years was a dude with a blown Achilles and they probably look at that and say "welp that's why we draft corners late" 

I assume you mean on defense?

Maddox? Rasual Douglas? Kind of shocking to be honest, though we really haven’t used premium resources other than a couple third rounders.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Yup.

Latu at 22 IS a Howie move.

Not sure he makes it to us, but he’s definitely NFL ready. Would be a safe pick.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

how?

In training camp, they don’t have enough numbers to hand out to 90 players. So when they know one or both players are not making the roster, they’ll give them identical numbers

I wonder if we would consider Jackson Powers-Johnson in the first round?

Usually we won’t pick an interior lineman that high, but JPJ is huge and athletic and powerful. Might they make an exception?

I really do get the Howie philosophy.  We have the worst back 7 in the NFL, but it's also the least important 7 positions in football.  

Until proven otherwise, the model is an unstoppable offense and an opportunistic defense.  That primarily comes by investing in the offense and the edge rushers.  I think we have absurdly over-invested in DT over the years in an attempt to re-create what Warren Sapp and Aaron Donald have done as interior disruptors...but that's a rare generational thing that hasn't happened for us, and (with all due respect to Carter) isn't going to happen.

 

11 minutes ago, TEW said:

I wonder if we would consider Jackson Powers-Johnson in the first round?

Usually we won’t pick an interior lineman that high, but JPJ is huge and athletic and powerful. Might they make an exception?

Yes. They picked Danny Watkins that high.

I think Powers-Johnson will be gone though.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

Yup.

Latu at 22 IS a Howie move.

The dark horse d-lineman whom is totally different than anyone we currently have is Darius Robinson. I wonder if he would be someone that Fangio likes that could fit well at 3-4 end and DT in a 4 man front. Will be there at 22 easily maybe even with a minor trade back. The other edge player I think we are going to like but more in round 2 is Chris Braswell. 

18 minutes ago, TEW said:

I wonder if we would consider Jackson Powers-Johnson in the first round?

Usually we won’t pick an interior lineman that high, but JPJ is huge and athletic and powerful. Might they make an exception?

Definitely could see it, seems like an Eagles first rounder dark horse candidate. 

55 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

In training camp, they don’t have enough numbers to hand out to 90 players. So when they know one or both players are not making the roster, they’ll give them identical numbers

They do that for players on the opposite side of the ball. I don't recall them ever letting two guys at the same position wear the same number, even during the inflated TC roster time period.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

In training camp, they don’t have enough numbers to hand out to 90 players. So when they know one or both players are not making the roster, they’ll give them identical numbers

They usually do that with two guys who play opposite sides of the ball. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the same position have two guys with the same number. That sounds like it would just be confusing to the coaches. 

Clemson edge Xavier Thomas is a guy Id take a flier on if he makes it to UDFA.

Hes going to be 25, and had some injury history. Also missed a game for violating team rules.

I dont think he will get drafted. But he has great burst off the line. Pretty athletic, and nearly 33'' arms which is solid. Solid size for the position. Former 5 star recruit.

Its almost sort of a Joseph Ngata situation. Obviously not likely to pan out but worth a shot.

You can see the talent flash in the highlights. Unfortunately there are just very few of them over his career. I dont think he ever was consistently healthy enough to earn a large role for the team.

 

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Weird stat:

In all 4 of Jalen Hurts’ year here, he has started the final game of the regular season in January. He has also started 5 playoff games.

Jalen Hurts has never thrown a TD in January

It may be weird, but certainly doesnt shock me. Passing is not our QBs best way of scoring TDs.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It may be weird, but certainly doesnt shock me. Passing is not our QBs best way of scoring TDs.

Looks like I was looking at a regular season stat, he did throw that 1 handed catch TD to DG against the giants in the playoffs

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Looks like I was looking at a regular season stat, he did throw that 1 handed catch TD to DG against the giants in the playoffs

nice! I take back what I said then. He is a great passer. I knew it couldnt be true.

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It may be weird, but certainly doesnt shock me. Passing is not our QBs best way of scoring TDs.

Why would you pass for TDs inside the 5 when you have Hurts at QB?

If you look at total TDs scored, Hurts is up there with most top QBs, he just takes advantage of his short yardage running skills (not as fast as Lamar, but much tougher, runs like a power back when he sniffs the end zone).