Jesus…

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Jesus…

Mac Jones 

Whats up with 3 states being blank?

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Mac Jones 

Whats up with 3 states being blank?

Could be ties or not enough discrepency between players. Wyoming has a tiny population. 
 

im from ND so to see Micah there is… bizarre. We have Cowboy fans like any state, but I think it comes down to a split of team territories. SW ND is Broncos games on local channels, NW ND is Seahawks games, and the rest is big Viking country. But the weeds grow throughout.

17 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Jesus…

Seriously.

 

Who the hell is buying Najee Harris?

9 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Could be ties or not enough discrepency between players. Wyoming has a tiny population. 
 

im from ND so to see Micah there is… bizarre. We have Cowboy fans like any state, but I think it comes down to a split of team territories. SW ND is Broncos games on local channels, NW ND is Seahawks games, and the rest is big Viking country. But the weeds grow throughout.

People in wyoming buy two jerseys, wyoming cowboy jerseys and BYU jerseys to wipe their asses with.

31 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Jesus…

 

It's between Mahomes and Hurts as the face of the league.  I'm sure the league would love a Mahomes and Hurts rematch in the upcoming Super Bowl.  

3 hours ago, bitbased said:

I would like to think the only way we could justify a 1st round OL is if they can swing out to tackle. I really don't like picking in the 1st for the IOL in our situation.

Depends if your getting shawn Andrews or a Fireman.

Andrews was an all pro and a dominant force before he went nutso.

But yeah this team really needs help on defense more than it needs an all pro guard.

2017 eagles won with a journeyman Wiznewski at guard so...🤷‍♂️

21 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

@Random Reglar

 

We're talking combine and pro day numbers,  right?   Not the particular RAS formula,  right?   Sparq was better than RAS,  but sparq is gone from the internet,  replaced by the inferior RAS.    Whichever,   I'm in favor of objective data incorporating combine and pro day data.    If we could get tons and tons of gps data for every college player,  and if someone could make sense of all of that,  I'd be in favor of that.

We live in a bribed to lie country,  and ras tends to prevent the bribers and the liars from winning all the time.   I'll take whatever I can get when it comes to objective data,  and the opinions of people on tv are intentionally bad, bribed to lie. 

Zach Wilson was the #2 pick in the draft and everyone on tv said he was great.  Some detectives were able to figure out that guy was the nephew of the owner of Jet Blue airlines.  The people on tv were bribed to lie, and said he was great,  and he was awful.  I said this before the draft,  bribed to lie,  overhyped rich kid.

I push forward the closest to objective data that's out there right now,  and that's ras.  I also push forward pff, which is kind of like objective data.  It isn't,  but NFL teams pay for the service,  so,  I'll take what I can get.

The opinions of the experts on all Philly sports teams that are found here ain't great.  I'm generally going to go with the closest thing to objective data.  I like to sort through data and I'm good at it.

PFF is objective data 

 

8 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

We're talking combine and pro day numbers,  right?   Not the particular RAS formula,  right?   Sparq was better than RAS,  but sparq is gone from the internet,  replaced by the inferior RAS.    Whichever,   I'm in favor of objective data incorporating combine and pro day data.    If we could get tons and tons of gps data for every college player,  and if someone could make sense of all of that,  I'd be in favor of that.

We live in a bribed to lie country,  and ras tends to prevent the bribers and the liars from winning all the time.   I'll take whatever I can get when it comes to objective data,  and the opinions of people on tv are intentionally bad, bribed to lie. 

Zach Wilson was the #2 pick in the draft and everyone on tv said he was great.  Some detectives were able to figure out that guy was the nephew of the owner of Jet Blue airlines.  The people on tv were bribed to lie, and said he was great,  and he was awful.  I said this before the draft,  bribed to lie,  overhyped rich kid.

I push forward the closest to objective data that's out there right now,  and that's ras.  I also push forward pff, which is kind of like objective data.  It isn't,  but NFL teams pay for the service,  so,  I'll take what I can get.

The opinions of the experts on all Philly sports teams that are found here ain't great.  I'm generally going to go with the closest thing to objective data.  I like to sort through data and I'm good at it.

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

PFF is objective data 

 

Your reading comprehension is really quite poor.

"I also push forward pff, which is kind of like objective data.  It isn't,  but NFL teams pay for the service,  so,  I'll take what I can get."

I explicitly said "It isn't"

you read "isn't" as "is".   Great job!

 

4 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Your reading comprehension is really quite poor.

"I also push forward pff, which is kind of like objective data.  It isn't,  but NFL teams pay for the service,  so,  I'll take what I can get."

I explicitly said "It isn't"

you read "isn't" as "is".   Great job!

 

Didnt take a " detective" to know Zach Wilsons uncle was jet blue airline owner, pretty common knowledge 

Zach had a big year and bowl game has a big arm is mobile, sometimes things dont work out, scouts make mistakes, players get put in bad positions.

You put Brock Purdy with the jets he fails, draft is a crap shoot, can have all the data in the world and still tom brady goes in the 5th and Zach Wilson goes in the 1st🤷‍♂️

15 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Your reading comprehension is really quite poor.

"I also push forward pff, which is kind of like objective data.  It isn't,  but NFL teams pay for the service,  so,  I'll take what I can get."

I explicitly said "It isn't"

you read "isn't" as "is".   Great job!

 

I didn’t read your post at all, what are you talking about?

54 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Seriously.

 

Who the hell is buying Najee Harris?

Alabama alum.

Did not think I would see "Latu is not athletic" takes, but here we are. 

He's not Garrett/Parsons level of athlete, but he's more than athletic enough for the NFL.

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Didnt take a " detective" to know Zach Wilsons uncle was jet blue airline owner, pretty common knowledge 

Zach had a big year and bowl game has a big arm is mobile, sometimes things dont work out, scouts make mistakes, players get put in bad positions.

You put Brock Purdy with the jets he fails, draft is a crap shoot, can have all the data in the world and still tom brady goes in the 5th and Zach Wilson goes in the 1st🤷‍♂️

yeah,  you missed the joke part of it.  the use of the word "detective" was the joke part.   Doesn't really matter.

It's the bribed to lie thing. When there is rich dad or rich relative,  you're much more likely to find instances of bribed to lie.  You can assume it's there. 
 

What is good about PFF is it provides a method (obviously not a perfect one) in which individual performances can be graded aside from general statistics. Clearly it's still subjective in nature. It's weird to me, though, that some fans still don't see it as relevant. The NFL does and players. agents, and teams all use the data as a reference even in contract negotiations. Some fans don't like it because it doesn't always back up their arguments. If they say somebody is garbage and PFF gives them a good grade, clearly PFF must be wrong. If a QB has a career day with a perfect passer rating, PFF might give them an average grade because that pass that bounced out 1 defender's hands and another's helmet into a receiver's hands for an 85 YAC TD would get a negative grade because of the bad pass, not the good (or lucky) result. 

 

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

What is good about PFF is it provides a method (obviously not a perfect one) in which individual performances can be graded aside from general statistics. Clearly it's still subjective in nature. It's weird to me, though, that some fans still don't see it as relevant. The NFL does and players. agents, and teams all use the data as a reference even in contract negotiations. Some fans don't like it because it doesn't always back up their arguments. If they say somebody is garbage and PFF gives them a good grade, clearly PFF must be wrong. If a QB has a career day with a perfect passer rating, PFF might give them an average grade because that pass that bounced out 1 defender's hands and another's helmet into a receiver's hands for an 85 YAC TD would get a negative grade because of the bad pass, not the good (or lucky) result. 

 

It's not remotely close to perfect, or even good. It just doesn't match the eye test 99% of the time, their stats are all made up to tell the story that they want to tell. If agents and teams actually use that in negotiations they're absolutely brain dead.

The reason you see people talking crap on it here is because most of the time PFF is being used to argue that a bad player is actually good. I feel like Barnett was a PFF darling but can't remember, we recently had someone grading out well on PFF but was garbage 

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Alabama alum.

I know but there’s a boat load of better Alabama players from his draft or after. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I know but there’s a boat load of better Alabama players from his draft or after. 

🤷‍♂️. 

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

It's not remotely close to perfect, or even good. It just doesn't match the eye test 99% of the time, their stats are all made up to tell the story that they want to tell. If agents and teams actually use that in negotiations they're absolutely brain dead.

The reason you see people talking crap on it here is because most of the time PFF is being used to argue that a bad player is actually good. I feel like Barnett was a PFF darling but can't remember, we recently had someone grading out well on PFF but was garbage 

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Did not think I would see "Latu is not athletic" takes, but here we are. 

He's not Garrett/Parsons level of athlete, but he's more than athletic enough for the NFL.

Do you read or listen to any draft outlets online? How did you not think you would see not athletic takes? Its what literally everyone else knows about him. 

Sirianni skipping the photo.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, devpool said:

It's not remotely close to perfect, or even good. It just doesn't match the eye test 99% of the time, their stats are all made up to tell the story that they want to tell. If agents and teams actually use that in negotiations they're absolutely brain dead.

The reason you see people talking crap on it here is because most of the time PFF is being used to argue that a bad player is actually good. I feel like Barnett was a PFF darling but can't remember, we recently had someone grading out well on PFF but was garbage 

You mean the eye test by armchair analysts with no all-22 and very little understanding as to actual assignments, or blocking schemes, etc? Not to say it's always right, but the eye test is ultimately intuition, and intuition isn't necessarily about whether a player plays as well as expected.

If a player is schemed wide ass open, is it the player that did really well because they made a flashy play? Or is it as expected because they just did their job and the scheme executed well?

If CJ Gardner-Johnson grabs a pick on a ball that's way off the mark because he was out of position to guard a defender, is that a positive play or is it a wash?

These are the kinds of decisions that have to be evaluated well in grades for every single player in the NFL, and if they have a little bit of a rough spot, everyone's like "THEY'RE WRONG" because it doesn't match their perception. Some grades are decent, some aren't, it really just depends.