1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

Yep. No love lost between either; I get Pickett's animus because Tomlin thought Matt Canada was a NFL OC.  A high school would reject his coaching.

Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in 7 years, so can't see why he's so salty, but it's funny to watch from afar.

Tomlin supposedly told Pickett there would be a competition on even footing, then did an about-face and told him Russell Wilson would be the presumed starter.  I wouldn’t be too happy either if a guy who washed out in two places came in and took my job without any competition 

I don't take this rumor to mean that much but there seems to be enough smoke around Eagles looking for another safety to make it seem like they are. Justin Simmons is obviously the top choice there.

2 minutes ago, tuffstuff07 said:

What are they talking about?

10 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Clemson edge Xavier Thomas is a guy Id take a flier on if he makes it to UDFA.

Hes going to be 25, and had some injury history. Also missed a game for violating team rules.

I dont think he will get drafted. But he has great burst off the line. Pretty athletic, and nearly 33'' arms which is solid. Solid size for the position. Former 5 star recruit.

Its almost sort of a Joseph Ngata situation. Obviously not likely to pan out but worth a shot.

You can see the talent flash in the highlights. Unfortunately there are just very few of them over his career. I dont think he ever was consistently healthy enough to earn a large role for the team.

 

ras compare xavier thomas v Latu UCLA as DE

xavier thomas improved at pro day and ras has the old numbers.

Is there a better source of the numbers from combine and pro day?  Another good thing about ras is that it's fast and easy to type

ras
combine winner
measurables
combine and pro day numbers

I type ras not because I love ras so much and think that the tallest running back should have a higher ras than a running back height running back. It's easy and people should know that I mean combine and pro day numbers,  and a website that shows those combine and pro day numbers.  The sparq formula was better,  the layout of the 3 sigma athlete site allowed for a simple scroll through all the data that ras does not allow.  For finding players,  sparq was much better.  If you're looking for a nickel corner and you want a great 3 cone and shuttle,  ras can't give you that.  It won't sort the data for you.  once you have your player,  you can compare him to another player.   the main list just has ras numbers. the sparq main list had the sparq number, the percentage,  and all the numbers.   Much easier then. 

Why is this concerning? Do fans really care about how many points are scored or do they care about their teams winning? I don't think I've ever been upset about the amount of points scored. Just an excuse for them to create more rules to favor the offense.

 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

He's a plus athlete, he’s just not a freak of nature athlete. 6’5” 260 and runs a 4.64, has good bend and balance.

He is a technician.

His athleticism is ok. Which is what he needed.  No one expected athlete they just wanted him to test ok, which he did. 

But he's not the athlete you typically see getting drafted early at edge these days. 

Upside is limited. 

28 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Why is this concerning? Do fans really care about how many points are scored or do they care about their teams winning? I don't think I've ever been upset about the amount of points scored. Just an excuse for them to create more rules to favor the offense.

 

Im guessing analytics show that fans drink more and spend and watch more when scores are higher.

NFL is about entertainment and NFL believes fans are more entertained by scoring than actual football which is the same reason the NBA is the joke it is today where theres zero defense or fundamentals but games that end with 145-143 scores...😒

Personally I like a good defensive battle in the NFL and the NBA.

Its supposed to be hard and challenging but todays nfl and NBA makes offense and scoring easier than ever because they believe that  sells advertising ☹️

47 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He is a technician.

His athleticism is ok. Which is what he needed.  No one expected athlete they just wanted him to test ok, which he did. 

But he's not the athlete you typically see getting drafted early at edge these days. 

Upside is limited. 

By the numbers he’s more than OK. He’s just not JJ Watt. He has all the size and athleticism needed to be a pro bowl player.

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

He said:

I would give him this simple challenge then:

Which PFF grade on the Eagles last season didn't match the eye test? With a 99% inaccuracy rate, we should have at least 50 players listed, right?

You know you have to pay for PFF right? I'm not searching their tweets from 6 months ago. There's a reason people here treat it like nonsense, because it is.

And yea go ahead and take my obvious hyperbole literally, 99%  why do people in here take everything so literally, it's mind boggling. 

4 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

You mean the eye test by armchair analysts with no all-22 and very little understanding as to actual assignments, or blocking schemes, etc? Not to say it's always right, but the eye test is ultimately intuition, and intuition isn't necessarily about whether a player plays as well as expected.

If a player is schemed wide ass open, is it the player that did really well because they made a flashy play? Or is it as expected because they just did their job and the scheme executed well?

If CJ Gardner-Johnson grabs a pick on a ball that's way off the mark because he was out of position to guard a defender, is that a positive play or is it a wash?

These are the kinds of decisions that have to be evaluated well in grades for every single player in the NFL, and if they have a little bit of a rough spot, everyone's like "THEY'RE WRONG" because it doesn't match their perception. Some grades are decent, some aren't, it really just depends.

It's a made up system with made up criteria, if you came up with a different grading system that people liked better we would be using AE77 instead of PFF. "Pressures", "pressure rate", run/pass block win% these things are all subjective.

Not to mention it's just a giant scam since you have to pay for it if you actually want to use it. People who want to act smarter than others will pay for it to argue why Derek Barnett is better than hassan Reddick (no one actually did, since clearly it has to be pointed out when hyperbole or sarcasm is used)

8 minutes ago, devpool said:

It's a made up system with made up criteria, if you came up with a different grading system that people liked better we would be using AE77 instead of PFF. "Pressures", "pressure rate", run/pass block win% these things are all subjective.

Not to mention it's just a giant scam since you have to pay for it if you actually want to use it. People who want to act smarter than others will pay for it to argue why Derek Barnett is better than hassan Reddick (no one actually did, since clearly it has to be pointed out when hyperbole or sarcasm is used)

I use AE77 grades all the time.  I thought everyone did.

59 minutes ago, TEW said:

By the numbers he’s more than OK. He’s just not JJ Watt. He has all the size and athleticism needed to be a pro bowl player.

And one can be a pro bowl player without size or athleticism as well. 

I didn't say he can't be.

I said he's not the athlete you typically see drafted early at DE. He's a technician. What you see is what you get.  There's no upside.  He is what he is already.  You hope it's enough to still be a double digit sack guy in the NFL. But if it's not, he might not ever get there because he's pretty much already maxed out.

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

And one can be a pro bowl player without size or athleticism as well. 

I didn't say he can't be.

I said he's not the athlete you typically see drafted early at DE. He's a technician. What you see is what you get.  There's no upside.  He is what he is already.  You hope it's enough to still be a double digit sack guy in the NFL. But if it's not, he might not ever get there because he's pretty much already maxed out.

I don’t get this no upside take. He’s very good athlete. The idea that he’s maxed out seems wrong to me. 

3 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't take this rumor to mean that much but there seems to be enough smoke around Eagles looking for another safety to make it seem like they are. Justin Simmons is obviously the top choice there.

Micah Hyde will turn 34 during the season.  I’d have less than zero interest in him 

NFL rums is a fake account. People need to block it.

Read what this guy is reporting about Nate Peat Missouri RB
4.30 40
6.70 3 cone.  

and he's something like 206 pounds.  

https://www.rockmnation.com/2024/3/22/24108940/how-did-the-missouri-tigers-perform-at-their-pro-day


 

 

 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

And one can be a pro bowl player without size or athleticism as well. 

I didn't say he can't be.

I said he's not the athlete you typically see drafted early at DE. He's a technician. What you see is what you get.  There's no upside.  He is what he is already.  You hope it's enough to still be a double digit sack guy in the NFL. But if it's not, he might not ever get there because he's pretty much already maxed out.

 

2 hours ago, devpool said:

You know you have to pay for PFF right? I'm not searching their tweets from 6 months ago. There's a reason people here treat it like nonsense, because it is.

And yea go ahead and take my obvious hyperbole literally, 99%  why do people in here take everything so literally, it's mind boggling. 

The internet is hard ...

 

Damn Aggies.  I really did not need OT in the 32 but onto the Sweet 16 and Duke.

 

 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

The internet is hard ...

Look no further than your first tweet where Kevin byard is the 17th ranked safety in the league lmao

And coming from a huge slay hater he did not have that bad of a season where he is basically replacement level according to this chart.

Again all made up stats according to how THEY want to calculate. How is run d objectively measured? There is no measurement, it's based on their own nonsensical formulas. In no universe is Kevin byard in the top 32 safeties in the league. 

If you're gonna defend PFF don't bother responding cause there's no point, we're never going to agree. It's a site that should never be used as some amazing measurement tool. It's about as useful as RAS, maybe even less so because at least with RAS you can see how it's calculated and they're all objective measurements 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

The internet is hard ...

Great Post!!!

This is something to talk about   Assuming the data is close to true in most areas,  there are some things that jump out at me,  that haven't been talked about here all that much.  I've mentioned it, others as well, but without knowing the data.

The Run Blocking by the WRs and RBs was really bad.   Uniformly, across the board,  40-60 Pff run blocking by the WRs and RBs. except Julio Jones.

AJ Brown has a pass score of 90.4  and a run block score of 51.0.

J Jones 66.7
Gainwell 56.9
Swift 53.8
Brown 51.0
Watkins 50.7
Smith 48.2
OZ 44.9
Scott 44.0
Covey 40.4

The Eagles defense was generally bad at coverage.  I counted 12 CB, S, LB with coverage between 40-60.  

Nakobi Dean was bad at coverage and great at everything else,  over 80 pff at run, tackle and pass rush.  Kelee Ringo had similar numbers,  over 70 on the same 3 better coverage  

Of the CB, S, LB who are left - Blankenship 78.0,  VanSumeren 69.7, Slay 68.6, McCollum 65.7, Brown 64.9, Ringo 63.8.   And then 12 who were here last year with coverage numbers below 60.

56 minutes ago, devpool said:

at least with RAS you can see how it's calculated

no you can't see how it's calculated, but you at least know the data that's going into the calculation.