4 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

 

 

 

You've posted this twice now.  Not sure why. 

Thomas is more explosive as shown by the 10 yard split and both jump numbers.  The only reason Latu has a better overall RAS is his height.  

Thomas isn't even a great athlete either and is probably going to be undrafted.

Nobody except maybe 2 people in the blog is going to mistake Latu for having the explosiveness off the line that Thomas has. Everyone else knows Latu isn't a great athlete. 

31 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

no you can't see how it's calculated, but you at least know the data that's going into the calculation.  

Yes you can see how it's calculated. 

Might be a Simmons day. 

9 hours ago, TEW said:

By the numbers he’s more than OK. He’s just not JJ Watt. He has all the size and athleticism needed to be a pro bowl player.

Good, but not great, athleticism + strong technique + production = 1st round pick. 

More and more mocks have him in the 18 to 25 range.

On 3/22/2024 at 9:47 PM, T-1000 said:

I predict that one of Justin Simmons or Stephon Gilmore will be Eagles before the draft. I refuse to believe that they are done adding to a secondary that was so horrible last year. It sure would be nice if they used 22 on a corner but we all know they are going OT.

Mims, KoolAid, Cooper, AD, Chop even JPJ and even Newton who you got ? They add something since I’m unsure of Jurgens/Steen ( I DO trust Stoutland )

4 hours ago, devpool said:

Look no further than your first tweet where Kevin byard is the 17th ranked safety in the league lmao

And coming from a huge slay hater he did not have that bad of a season where he is basically replacement level according to this chart.

Again all made up stats according to how THEY want to calculate. How is run d objectively measured? There is no measurement, it's based on their own nonsensical formulas. In no universe is Kevin byard in the top 32 safeties in the league. 

If you're gonna defend PFF don't bother responding cause there's no point, we're never going to agree. It's a site that should never be used as some amazing measurement tool. It's about as useful as RAS, maybe even less so because at least with RAS you can see how it's calculated and they're all objective measurements 

I love it when people double down on their nonsense and then conclude their argument by saying don't respond. If you can't hold your own in a discussion, then it's you that shouldn't chime in. 

Let's talk about Byard. He wasn't worth what he was set to make before he was released, but his grade and position ranking are pretty fair. He may be a player that is in a decline as he continues to age, but his play was not a liability. With his new contract with the Bears, he is now the 14th highest paid safety in the NFL. Does that not align with being the 17th ranked performer at the position last year? 

https://overthecap.com/position/safety#google_vignette

As for Slay his grade was in the low end of the "solid" area. Being ranked 49th at a position where there are 64 starters on the outside and another 32 nickels that may or may not be considered starters but play a majority of the defensive snaps, just says his play was middle of the pack last season. Do you disagree? According to Slay his knee had been bothering him to the point where it was affecting his performance so he opted for the late-season surgery. 

 

45 minutes ago, RLC said:

Good, but not great, athleticism + strong technique + production = 1st round pick. 

More and more mocks have him in the 18 to 25 range.

Yeah, that seems about right to me. Good combination of high floor and high ceiling, but without the galactic level upside that a 6’5” 280 pound 4.5 forty DE would have.

If you’ve ever wondered how Dallas caught us last year and how they finished with 12 wins 3 years in a row, look no further than Jerry’s highly sophisticated note-taking system at the owner’s meetings

 

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

You've posted this twice now.  Not sure why. 

Thomas is more explosive as shown by the 10 yard split and both jump numbers.  The only reason Latu has a better overall RAS is his height.  

Thomas isn't even a great athlete either and is probably going to be undrafted.

Nobody except maybe 2 people in the blog is going to mistake Latu for having the explosiveness off the line that Thomas has. Everyone else knows Latu isn't a great athlete. 

Latu is 20 pounds heavier. His vert and 10 yard split is much more impressive than Thomas’ numbers within that context.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Latu is 20 pounds heavier. His vert and 10 yard split is much more impressive than Thomas’ numbers within that context.

Sure...

Not sure why the comparison is being made between a 1st round pick and a likely UDFA to begin with. 

Also,  there's a clear difference on the field.  If you watch Thomas explode of the line you'd think he is the first round pick. 

The RAS is misleading in both regards.  Which player is actually more athletic on the field,  and which player is being drafted earlier. 

In November we were still an okay defense

https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/football/nfl/20231116-2023-nfl-team-defense-rankings-ranking-the-top-defenses-in-the-nfl-heading-into-week-11

 

Moving from a Fangian system in Desai to a Belichickian system in Patrica with no install was the single biggest mistake we made all year. Maybe we weren’t going to win the SB, but we still should have won the NFC East easily and probably had the #1 seed again

 

Just Fangio alone will fix a lot. CJGJ and Rodgers will fix a lot. Not everything, but a lot. Hopefully Carter and Davis are more developed and White is competent and we’ll have. Defense that should let us win 12+ games with our schedule. 
 

Hopefully we still have 1 more S coming in though

4 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Great Post!!!

This is something to talk about   Assuming the data is close to true in most areas,  there are some things that jump out at me,  that haven't been talked about here all that much.  I've mentioned it, others as well, but without knowing the data.

The Run Blocking by the WRs and RBs was really bad.   Uniformly, across the board,  40-60 Pff run blocking by the WRs and RBs. except Julio Jones.

AJ Brown has a pass score of 90.4  and a run block score of 51.0.

J Jones 66.7
Gainwell 56.9
Swift 53.8
Brown 51.0
Watkins 50.7
Smith 48.2
OZ 44.9
Scott 44.0
Covey 40.4
 

For WR blocking, it's going to be hard for them to really get into the solid range because in most cases they aren't going to be in the area so they won't really be putting much effort into it. If on the opposite side of the field, their grade might be negative for that play, but the result of the grade would be meaningless if the play was on the other side. 

Here's the thing ... WR blocking can help each play, but it's more important to have a good WR that is willing to block (like Smith and Brown) than a WR who outside of his blocking contributes nothing else as a WR (like JJAW).

10 hours ago, devpool said:

It's a made up system with made up criteria, if you came up with a different grading system that people liked better we would be using AE77 instead of PFF. "Pressures", "pressure rate", run/pass block win% these things are all subjective.

Not to mention it's just a giant scam since you have to pay for it if you actually want to use it. People who want to act smarter than others will pay for it to argue why Derek Barnett is better than hassan Reddick (no one actually did, since clearly it has to be pointed out when hyperbole or sarcasm is used)

Nothing that you said here really goes against anything I said at all. Some grades are decent, some grades aren't.

Also why in god's name would you pay for it? It's regularly posted in several fairly easy to find places around the internet after games.

4 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Also why in god's name would you pay for it? It's regularly posted in several fairly easy to find places around the internet after games.

Yeah, it's not really a service average fans should pay for. Just wait for the people who make a living on social media to post the information. Anytime you want to see a player's current PFF score, just google "[player name] pff"

 

PFFs player location stats are really good because there is no interpretation about a WR lining up in the slot x% of the time or Lane Johnson playing at RT x% of the time.  When they try and overlay Moneyball stuff into those stats, it's just useless junk. 

You cannot rate a player doing their assignment and getting picked on for a TD, because someone else didn't do their job in coverage, into a number of rating. Fools gold for midwits.

On 3/21/2024 at 7:00 PM, Iggles_Phan said:

Did you actually WATCH the games last year?  The play designs, the play calls... there was zero creativity.

You sure? I recall the rain being the biggest issue week 1 LOL

and Siri is involved in the offensive gameplans...so why will that suddenly change now? coping

2 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

PFFs player location stats are really good because there is no interpretation about a WR lining up in the slot x% of the time or Lane Johnson playing at RT x% of the time.  When they try and overlay Moneyball stuff into those stats, it's just useless junk. 

You cannot rate a player doing their assignment and getting picked on for a TD, because someone else didn't do their job in coverage, into a number of rating. Fools gold for midwits.

Yep.  Tons of interesting useful stats that you can't find elsewhere.  But player ratings are useless. 

4 minutes ago, RunItBAck said:

You sure? I recall the rain being the biggest issue week 1 LOL

and Siri is involved in the offensive gameplans...so why will that suddenly change now? coping

Probably because he was part of the group that turned the offense into dog crap last year. It's not really a stretch to think that, while he's obviously going to have inputs, he won't (and shouldn't) be doing any heavy lifting on either side of the ball

1 minute ago, RunItBAck said:

You sure? I recall the rain being the biggest issue week 1 LOL

and Siri is involved in the offensive gameplans...so why will that suddenly change now? coping

You think I wanted Sirianni back?  . 

No.  I am on record stating that the best outcome for the Eagles is that Siri gets the Howie treatment under Chip and is just a figurehead... and doesn't do anything related to game planning, scheming, etc.   I am also on record saying that if the offense rebounds under Moore, I'd be much happier canning Sirianni and promoting Moore to HC rather than having him go elsewhere to be HC.

 

 

But sure, if you want to isolate Week 1, and ignore the other 17 games they played, sure.  Week 1 had poor weather to help cover up their other issues.  

10 minutes ago, RunItBAck said:

You sure? I recall the rain being the biggest issue week 1 LOL

and Siri is involved in the offensive gameplans...so why will that suddenly change now? coping

Lurie's instruction to Howie and Nick was to get on the phone and bring in experienced, highly knowledgeable coordinators to fix what went wrong last season.  Fangio will run the defense as defensive play caller, Moore will run the offense as offensive play caller, and Nick will manage the locker room, make in-game decisions, and be the primary media contact.

It's Nick's job to learn Moore's offense.  If the Eagles return to the #1 NFC seed and make a deep playoff run then it's quite possible Moore will be interviewing for head coaching jobs elsewhere.  Nick needs to retain that knowledge if the play caller walks out the door, as Steichen did a few years ago.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You think I wanted Sirianni back?  . 

You were his #1 defender!😁

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Lurie's instruction to Howie and Nick was to get on the phone and bring in experienced, highly knowledgeable coordinators to fix what went wrong last season.  Fangio will run the defense as defensive play caller, Moore will run the offense as offensive play caller, and Nick will manage the locker room, make in-game decisions, and be the primary media contact.

It's Nick's job to learn Moore's offense.  If the Eagles return to the #1 NFC seed and make a deep playoff run then it's quite possible Moore will be interviewing for head coaching jobs elsewhere.  Nick needs to retain that knowledge if the play caller walks out the door, as Steichen did a few years ago.

If we return to #1 seed then sirianni can go coach the panthers and Moore can become the HC. 

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

If you’ve ever wondered how Dallas caught us last year and how they finished with 12 wins 3 years in a row, look no further than Jerry’s highly sophisticated note-taking system at the owner’s meetings

 

 

57 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

In November we were still an okay defense

https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/football/nfl/20231116-2023-nfl-team-defense-rankings-ranking-the-top-defenses-in-the-nfl-heading-into-week-11

 

Moving from a Fangian system in Desai to a Belichickian system in Patrica with no install was the single biggest mistake we made all year. Maybe we weren’t going to win the SB, but we still should have won the NFC East easily and probably had the #1 seed again

 

Just Fangio alone will fix a lot. CJGJ and Rodgers will fix a lot. Not everything, but a lot. Hopefully Carter and Davis are more developed and White is competent and we’ll have. Defense that should let us win 12+ games with our schedule. 
 

Hopefully we still have 1 more S coming in though

I'm still not sold on Fangino's scheme but much is to be seen with him running the show, rather than a student of his defense. If he's legit, my next question is how long can he be the guy at DC? He's 65 years old, no spring chicken but also not on his death bed. He looks like an old 65 however. I never would have guessed Steve Spagnolo was just about the same age being 64. Jim Johnson was brought in at 58 and gave the Eagles 10 solid years but you knew it was time later in his tenure. If the Eagles go all out in bringing in guys who fit the Fangino defense, how long will he be here running his scheme? Is he a 2-year stop gap DC before they hope to find the next great thing? I just hope they bring players who can play in any scheme so if Fangino doesn't work out and they bring in another DC with a different philosophy, they aren't gutting and rebuilding because the players don't fit what they want to run.

33 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yep.  Tons of interesting useful stats that you can't find elsewhere.  But player ratings are useless. 

It's a shame their stats are shared so widely without any thought.   There are times I wonder if you could program an AI to make stats up, wrap it in a pretty website and see if people would pay for it or the media use them.