16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He has. We can all point to the Josh Allen play and how impressive that was. I've been pretty vocal about my thoughts on high picks used on DL that don't play a lot. You have a top 15 pick, that doesn't happen often. You traded multiple picks to get there. The guy you pick there needs to be an impact player. He needs to be a core piece of your team that can change a game. More importantly, he needs to be on the damn field. 

Fletcher Cox played 52% of the snaps as a rookie after being picked #12. After that, he averaged 74% of the snaps the rest of his career with multiple years being over 80% of the snaps played.

Jalen Carter played 51% his rookie year and he has the same potential as Cox and I expect him to take a huge jump in year 2 like Fletcher did when he jumped to 74%.

Jordan Davis however, played 26% last year and 45% this year. I think 50% is his max. He "transformed his body" for year 2 and 45% of the snaps wore him down. Do you think he's got that much more to change on his 6-6 336 lb frame? Can he get in that much better of shape? He never did at UGA and there's no reason to think he's going to suddenly start playing 20 more snaps a game. 

To me, and it's just my opinion, trading up to pick 13 for a guy who MIGHT play half the snaps is a terrible use of a 1st round pick. If he's playing half the snaps, he needs to make a much, much bigger impact than he has. 

Give me the All-Pro safety who doesn't come off the field or trade down for George Karlaftis at pick 30 who already has 18.5 sacks and plays over 70% of the snaps. 

Hamilton sucks in coverage and plays the down safety in that scheme. Smart coaches with lots of talent around him. Impossible to compare.

i think Davis is misused and should be put over the center or in 3T

4 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Hamilton wasn't considered too serious for us because of our well know "philosophy". But Hamilton was arguably the best player on the board when we traded up. I know Jeremiah had him rated as the higher prospect and Hamilton just made the pro bowl. 

Also, if we drafted Hamilton and Davis went to a Baltimore everyone would’ve complained. And 2 years later Davis would be anchoring a 1-seed’s defense looking like a stud and Hamilton would be relegated to playing 20 yards from the LoS with an infinite backpedal and people would be calling him a bust. 

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He has. We can all point to the Josh Allen play and how impressive that was. I've been pretty vocal about my thoughts on high picks used on DL that don't play a lot. You have a top 15 pick, that doesn't happen often. You traded multiple picks to get there. The guy you pick there needs to be an impact player. He needs to be a core piece of your team that can change a game. More importantly, he needs to be on the damn field. 

Fletcher Cox played 52% of the snaps as a rookie after being picked #12. After that, he averaged 74% of the snaps the rest of his career with multiple years being over 80% of the snaps played.

Jalen Carter played 51% his rookie year and he has the same potential as Cox and I expect him to take a huge jump in year 2 like Fletcher did when he jumped to 74%.

Jordan Davis however, played 26% last year and 45% this year. I think 50% is his max. He "transformed his body" for year 2 and 45% of the snaps wore him down. Do you think he's got that much more to change on his 6-6 336 lb frame? Can he get in that much better of shape? He never did at UGA and there's no reason to think he's going to suddenly start playing 20 more snaps a game. 

To me, and it's just my opinion, trading up to pick 13 for a guy who MIGHT play half the snaps is a terrible use of a 1st round pick. If he's playing half the snaps, he needs to make a much, much bigger impact than he has. 

Give me the All-Pro safety who doesn't come off the field or trade down for George Karlaftis at pick 30 who already has 18.5 sacks and plays over 70% of the snaps. 

No one knew he was going to be an all pro level safety.  Even first round draft picks have about a 50% hit rate.

Hindsight is 20/20.  Only a Time Machine will guarantee a 100% hit rate on draft picks.  

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

No one knew he was going to be an all pro level safety.  Even first round draft picks have about a 50% hit rate.

Hindsight is 20/20.  Only a Time Machine will guarantee a 100% hit rate on draft picks.  

Most people trashed him for his super slow 40, now they’re complaining we didn’t add him to become even slower on defense lol. You can’t make this stuff up. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

No one knew he was going to be an all pro level safety.  Even first round draft picks have about a 50% hit rate.

Hindsight is 20/20.  Only a Time Machine will guarantee a 100% hit rate on draft picks.  

i dont think he would have survived here anyway with our crap coaching

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

No one knew he was going to be an all pro level safety.  Even first round draft picks have about a 50% hit rate.

Hindsight is 20/20.  Only a Time Machine will guarantee a 100% hit rate on draft picks.  

I know that but you have to have the talent evaluators on your team that say which player has the higher chance of reaching All-Pro. 

I WANT Jordan Davis to be great. He seems like a great teammate and a really likeable guy...almost too likeable as I wish he had a mean streak in him. Again, I'm looking from an investment standpoint, ALL-Pro safety or not. When trading up and taking a guy at 13, that guy has to be an IMPACT guy. I just don't see how a guy who doesn't even play half of the snaps can make that much of an impact. That's a situational role player and not a good use of a 1st round draft pick.

13 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Hamilton sucks in coverage and plays the down safety in that scheme. Smart coaches with lots of talent around him. Impossible to compare.

i think Davis is misused and should be put over the center or in 3T

Yep. The book on Hamilton was that he needed to be used properly. Wouldn't have happened here.

26 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't know.  Hopefully the conditioning folks at NovaCare will be on the case.  Howie knew this when he drafted him.

This year's snap counts at DT, they are rotating all of them.  

 

 

The issue is those 0's.   They should be playing some offensive snaps as freakbeasts.

17 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Also, if we drafted Hamilton and Davis went to a Baltimore everyone would’ve complained. And 2 years later Davis would be anchoring a 1-seed’s defense looking like a stud and Hamilton would be relegated to playing 20 yards from the LoS with an infinite backpedal and people would be calling him a bust. 

That's half the issue. The Eagles aren't taking guys that fit their scheme. If Davis goes to Baltimore, he's playing on the inside shoulder of the guard over the center every play as he's intended to do. He's playing out of position in the Eagles defense.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

That's half the issue. The Eagles aren't taking guys that fit their scheme. If Davis goes to Baltimore, he's playing on the inside shoulder of the guard over the center every play as he's intended to do. He's playing out of position in the Eagles defense.

I actually think we have the personnel to transition to a 3-4 but not the ILBs or FS

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

I actually think we have the personnel to transition to a 3-4 but not the ILBs or FS

If they would invest in ILB, 100% they do. However, I think some sort of 4-3 is where this defense needs to be. Jalen Carter is the prize piece and while he can play end in a 3-4, I think lined up over a guard in a 4-3 is where he can be special.

 

 

Good to see Ian keeping score. When the Chargers go with Harbaugh is he going to change the tally?

 

This conversation seems like a carbon copy of the BG/earl Thomas debate lol. Almost exactly, as BG missed a good bit of time early while earl Thomas was getting pro bowl nods almost immediately 

2 minutes ago, devpool said:

This conversation seems like a carbon copy of the BG/earl Thomas debate lol. Almost exactly, as BG missed a good bit of time early while earl Thomas was getting pro bowl nods almost immediately 

It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.  

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That's half the issue. The Eagles aren't taking guys that fit their scheme. If Davis goes to Baltimore, he's playing on the inside shoulder of the guard over the center every play as he's intended to do. He's playing out of position in the Eagles defense.

That's the WHOLE issue.  I went through this weeks ago.  The scouting department and coaches don't properly communicate so that the coaches are given the players that fit what they do, and they can't properly use the ones they are given.  

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If they would invest in ILB, 100% they do. However, I think some sort of 4-3 is where this defense needs to be. Jalen Carter is the prize piece and while he can play end in a 3-4, I think lined up over a guard in a 4-3 is where he can be special.

You've got jokes!!   

2 hours ago, RLC said:

100% of team ownership is white. 

38 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

You're not going to tell us what he ordered?

My bet: Chicken Sandwich, Curly Fries, Lemonade.

Just now, EricAllenPick6 said:

You're not going to tell us what he ordered?

My bet: Chicken Sandwich, Curly Fries, Lemonade.

Curly fries?   What is this?   Arby's has curly fries.   Chick-fil-A has Waffle fries!!!    

While we're talking about DT and how we have to be patient, maybe the Eagles just need to draft better? The Ravens are a superior team at drafting on defense. Madubuike was pick 71 in 2020. He has doubled Milton Williams career sack total in one year.

For comparison, Milton Williams was taken at pick 73 in 2021.

 

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Doubtful.  Good chance he would have been gone after the first time he said, "No, I won’t”

 

Just a guess. 

If it works like that,  then the problem should be solved.

If Lurie can just tell Siri that his job is to be a well liked players coach who takes the heat for the players,  and makes adequate speeches or whatever, CEO type,  and let Brian Johnson install the Brian Johnson offense, instead of the Siri/Johnson hybrid offense, and Siri agrees to that,   there is your solution.    Siri is the HC,  but the CEO type,  and Brian gets to do the offense,  gets to bring in players he liked from college,  etc., that would work.   If the Eagles were to have a HC for 10 years,  I would have to think that it's more likely Brian Johnson (with Jalen Hurts) than Siri. 

16 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.  

My wife says my start and finish are so close together that they're basically the same

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Yep.  That should tell most all they need to know about Davis.  He’s more than capable of becoming special at the NFL level. It’s a matter of putting the work in, being consistent and healthy when it comes to Davis, imo. 

and, currently,  top 1/4 PFF,  which is a level that you want to keep. Often the biggest DT or NT is getting double teamed, and can still be good even if he isn't doing a whole lot, because he makes it easier on everyone else. 

If the defense has massive guy in the middle who takes up blocks, maybe you can get someone that just does that for cheaper.   But Davis is faster than those other guys, and that speed lets him chase down, effectively,  big running QBs like Josh Allen. You're getting what you should get from a massive DT,  but you're also getting extra.  And that's currently.  Maybe he makes a ton of plays all over the place in the future,  but right now,  good big DT with extra chasing power gets him in the top 1/4,  which is keeper level.

 

8 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

If it works like that,  then the problem should be solved.

If Lurie can just tell Siri that his job is to be a well liked players coach who takes the heat for the players,  and makes adequate speeches or whatever, CEO type,  and let Brian Johnson install the Brian Johnson offense, instead of the Siri/Johnson hybrid offense, and Siri agrees to that,   there is your solution.    Siri is the HC,  but the CEO type,  and Brian gets to do the offense,  gets to bring in players he liked from college,  etc., that would work.   If the Eagles were to have a HC for 10 years,  I would have to think that it's more likely Brian Johnson (with Jalen Hurts) than Siri. 

What makes you think this is not Brian Johnson's offense? I don't remember this extreme overuse of failed WR screens or the allergies to using the middle of the field, if this were sirianni's would we not have seen that last year?