5 hours ago, devpool said:

This is a nightmare draft scenario not even for just this year, but for the future. No success with no investment in the back 7, they would basically be banking on both CJGJ and Blankenship staying healthy all season (CJ never has), bradberry returning to form, slay not losing another step, and their lotto ticket linebackers to all hit. Recipe for disaster 

What I am trying to do this year is not think about what I want, but what I think the team will do based on tendencies. We know they still rate Slay and Ringo is someone they are invested in.  We know they like CGJ and Blankenship, Brown is coming back from injury,  There is Ricks, Rodgers, McPhearson and Hall at NCB.  From a team tendency perspective, they could be ok wit that secondary to start the season. LB, hardly worth looking at anyone high in that position or even talking about it.QB is a closed position now.

So it leads back to what's left. OT, OG, C, WR, TE, DE and DT.   And they don't tend to go lower in the draft for OL positions, so we're left looking at a good OT class and no backup.  Like when they drafted Davis, it's almost staring right back at us it's so obvious, and I'd not be shocked if a 2nd was traded "to go get their guy".

In the higher rounds, I'd be surprised if any position but OL or DL gets drafted.  WR is a maybe just because of Smitty not having a contract yet.

And Brian Thomas Jr is smooooooooth out there. Damn

 

53 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe but I think Burns and Snead pretty much torched all of that

No doubt his trade value is down but I don't know that Clowney impacts Reddick's contract demands dramatically.  My thought has always been that the Eagles will make the trade if Reddick has an agreement on a new deal.  

15 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

4.55 at 245 pounds.  I'll take him. 

He can play HB.

31 minutes ago, just relax said:

What if he has five or six and is that more likely?

If he's still their best pass rusher and they are a top NFC team it would still be no. Contenders don't sell unless they believe they are fools gold and want to tank.

 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I wonder if he goes higher than expected given his arm strength.  

A year or 2 ago yes.  But the Josh Allen frenzy has died down. 

So no. 

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

No doubt his trade value is down but I don't know that Clowney impacts Reddick's contract demands dramatically.  My thought has always been that the Eagles will make the trade if Reddick has an agreement on a new deal.  

He can play HB.
 

maybe,  but even more so TE and WR.

The Eagles have a versatile back position now,  Parris Campbell is one.  Milton, too. 

But Milton can also play QB.  The Eagles have a lot of  backup QBs now who I don't think are going to stick around long. 

Milton can do a bunch of stuff.

20 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

In the higher rounds, I'd be surprised if any position but OL or DL gets drafted.  WR is a maybe just because of Smitty not having a contract yet.

I'm not convinced AJ Brown is here long term, so a WR or TE weapon in the pass game wouldn't shock me; more likely in Round 2 than 1.  I think for the Eagles, positional value hierarchy order is QB, EDGE, OL, DT, WR, TE, CB ...... (long pause) ..... RB, S, LB -- then P/K, LS, etc. 

As for 2024, where the Eagles are in the current roster's life cycle I think they'll be prioritizing OL, EDGE, CB at #22, 50 and 53.  It will depend how the board falls, of course. 

I do find it interesting they've had significant interest in Edgerrin Cooper.  I don't think he's on their radar at #22, but if he's still unexpectedly on the board at #50 or close then they may grab him. 

35 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

What I am trying to do this year is not think about what I want, but what I think the team will do based on tendencies. We know they still rate Slay and Ringo is someone they are invested in.  We know they like CGJ and Blankenship, Brown is coming back from injury,  There is Ricks, Rodgers, McPhearson and Hall at NCB.  From a team tendency perspective, they could be ok wit that secondary to start the season. LB, hardly worth looking at anyone high in that position or even talking about it.QB is a closed position now.

So it leads back to what's left. OT, OG, C, WR, TE, DE and DT.   And they don't tend to go lower in the draft for OL positions, so we're left looking at a good OT class and no backup.  Like when they drafted Davis, it's almost staring right back at us it's so obvious, and I'd not be shocked if a 2nd was traded "to go get their guy".

In the higher rounds, I'd be surprised if any position but OL or DL gets drafted.  WR is a maybe just because of Smitty not having a contract yet.

This would be an even worse move than just drafting OT outright. 

Slay is old, literally no other CB on the roster is proven at their position besides bradberry coming off a terrible season and is also old.

CJGJ has never played a full season (and is a far better nickel anyway), Blankenship gets hurt a lot as well and Sydney brown isn't coming back from injury until maybe halfway through the season. They can upgrade at every single position in the back 7, not one of them is safe from replacement this season except Slay being the only competent corner last season.

I'm not arguing whether they do these things or not, they probably will because this FO thinks they're god's gift to football and the smartest people in the room at all times. I'm saying if they do these things they're setting themselves up for failure. The two seasons in recent years that they brought in quality players to the back 7 they went to the Super Bowl. It's right there, they've already done it, to act like they never invest in the back 7 just simply isn't correct.

I'll go out on a limb and say the next thing that happens in the Reddick saga is he fires his agency and gets a new agency to try to spark some momentum toward figuring out a resolution one way or the other.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Would have liked to take a chance on him in the later rounds but can't see that happening now with 4 QBs on the roster already

 

He will spend a lot of time pressured and sacked just like he was under pressure the whole time in the all star game. 

Boom 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Eagles didn't want to trade Reddick, they gave his agent permission to seek a trade because he wanted more money. The Eagles don't have to do anything if they don't want, they could keep him under current contract right?

I know he could hold out, or they could negotiate a new contract with lesser terms than he wants, and he could be traded. But he also could just remain on the roster this season as is right?

If you’ve ever wondered what the woman who was fired from ESPN for making weird race comments is doing now…

36 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

A year or 2 ago yes.  But the Josh Allen frenzy has died down. 

So no. 

The Cowboys will select him in the first round. 

10 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Eagles didn't want to trade Reddick, they gave his agent permission to seek a trade because he wanted more money. The Eagles don't have to do anything if they don't want, they could keep him under current contract right?

I know he could hold out, or they could negotiate a new contract with lesser terms than he wants, and he could be traded. But he also could just remain on the roster this season as is right?

Jeff McLane reported they want no part of his 21m cap number for 2024. So the options are trade or redo the deal. Maybe McLane is wrong, but that's what he reported. But generally speaking in a perfect world I do think they'd like to have him on the team if his salary was of no consequence.

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Boom 

Unstoppable.

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

4.55 at 245 pounds.  I'll take him. 

Yea, and you'd move him to left tackle.

16 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Eagles didn't want to trade Reddick, they gave his agent permission to seek a trade because he wanted more money. The Eagles don't have to do anything if they don't want, they could keep him under current contract right?

I know he could hold out, or they could negotiate a new contract with lesser terms than he wants, and he could be traded. But he also could just remain on the roster this season as is right?

You are correct but I’m thinking their intentions changed after signing Huff and redoing Sweat. This feels like what the Eagles did last year in a way between Bradberry, Slay and CJGJ. An offer was out there for Reddick (similar to CJGJ last year), they let Sweat explore trade options (similar to Slay last year) and they signed a free agent in Huff (similar to Bradberry last year). The plan is to go with two of the three  who commit first. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, and you'd move him to left tackle.

Makes sense.  He'd be tough against speed rushers.

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You are correct but I’m thinking their intentions changed after signing Huff and redoing Sweat. This feels like what the Eagles did last year in a way between Bradberry, Slay and CJGJ. An offer was out there for Reddick (similar to CJGJ last year), they let Sweat explore trade options (similar to Slay last year) and they signed a free agent in Huff (similar to Bradberry last year). The plan is to go with two of the three  who commit first. 

Ok, gotcha. That makes sense. Still feels like the Eagles hold the leverage. If they were to trade him I'd rather they get draft picks for this year but maybe at trade deadline (and Reddick is playing well) they can sucker some team into a higher pick for next year's draft. 

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

If Jewish people are only 2.4% of the American population, how come teams don't get compensated with compensatory picks if they get hired away for a promotion? Does the NFL not consider Jewish people minorities?

Me thinks the Rooney Rule itself isn't as "inclusive" as it needs to be in a league that claims to value 'DEI'

Jews are "honorary white people." So are Arabs for that matter. And Kurds, Turks, etc.

Unless they wear a Hijab.

Whatever.

Everybody north of the Sahara is descended from the early settlers in the Fertile crescent, except for India eastward, who are probably descended from those who hugged the coastline along East Africa around the Persian gulf and then further East. Europeans have Neanderthal genes, Asians Devonian genes - some wild orgies in those caves! Then 6,000 years ago, all the European men were slaughtered (their Y chromosomes disappeared) by the steppe people who had discovered horses. So white Europeans are genetically half Eurasian.And given the Roman conquests, a lot more genetic intermixing, so much for "white nationalism," you're all a bunch of mongrels!

And it turned out the ancestors of the Jews were probably Semitic tribes from the Levant (what is now western Middle East from southern Syria & Lebanon, Jordan, Norther Iraq and Israel) who were brought into Egypt as mercenaries, then took over the Northern Kingdom before they were defeated by Ramses II - so Exodus wasn't liberation from slavery, rather an organized retreat back home.

Genetic studies have overturned a lot of received wisdom in history and anthropology. Genes don't lie, but humans do.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, and you'd move him to left tackle.

No,  I do like running QBs. 

Running QBs are BEST!

If he was a LT,  I would want the Eagles to draft him at LT.  I prefer the LT with the HS QB on the resume.

Tylan Grable.

1) HS QB
2) Blocking TE for a short time in college
3) college Honorable Mention all Big 12 OT.

It really shouldn't be all that confusing. 

I take 6'6 306 pound Tylan Grable,  who can play QB,  and do innovative stuff with him. 

I'd like the roster to be filled with running QBs.  I don't want the QB room to be filled with LTs,  unless that LT was at one point a running QB.   The idea is to get running QBs on the roster.

Tyree Jackson is one of the players who I was hyping as a TE before he ever played TE,  when he was sitting at home waiting for a job.  

I would think that Tyree Jackson and Joe Milton are similar.  If Joe Milton is sitting at home, I might say "how about Joe Milton as a TE",   but that would happen after Joe Milton is unemployed.   Logan Thomas was a QB bouncing around on practice squads,  and I was hyping him as a TE, and then he switched to TE, and things worked out well for him,  compared to the rest of the QB draft class.   Been in the NFL the longest.

A team could go - Joe Milton is a backup QB and a project TE.   I'd rather have Joe Milton on the roster instead of McKee and Grier.  And Milton has the athleticism to do extra things,  and a cannon arm for Hail Mary time. 

He don't have any actual experience that I know of doing anything but QB.     Some QBs who become something else -  Terrelle Pryor - become great at the new thing quickly - 1 year of practice at WR for Pryor,  the next year,  1000 yard WR.

I do think pretty much any great athlete can do the QB stuff I want them to do,  but what I want those great athletes to do is not wearing the green dot and throwing a lot of forward passes.   Maybe get under center and plow forward or pitch back to Jalen.   So, it's QB,  but not QB.

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He's just one year older coming off 9.5 sacks. Reddick has been the better player as of late but his ask of $15M more per year than Clowney? I don't think he's been that much better. 

Has Reddick been better?  Clowney plays the run better.  He is ranked fifth on PRWR and only Parsons and Garrett say more double teams (25%). Both Reddick and Sweat ran down last year. Yet Reddick only rushed the passer seven more times than Clowney.  Clowney had success 25% of the time, Reddick’s 22% was good for #7 and equal to #8, Bryce Huff.  Nick Bosa, #19, was only double teamed 1% more than Clowney and had a 19% win rate.  (He does well at run stop, ranked #10).  Reddick saw a 16% double team to Huff’s 15%. None of Huff, Clowney or Reddick are in the top 10 on run stops amongst edges.  

Reddick’s salary this year is $14.25 million plus a roster bonus of $1 million.  His contract for three years carried a $47.35 million price tag, so basically just shy of $15.8 million a year. He is not that underpaid.  It’s like the bonuses don’t count.  They do.  Outplayed his contract?  Barely. This is about security into his thirties.  If he is looking for $30 million, I want some of what he and his agent are smoking.  

That said, #7 PRWR has value in a trade. Howie needs a third plus.  Escalators or next year picks are an option.  

How good is Saquon in the slot? Can we use him on 3rd and long there?

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Holdouts don't make sense when you're pushing 30. Leaving real money on the table when you might only get a one year deal the next season.

 

Flipside of that is he feels this is his last chance to get that big contract so it's worth it for him to hold out to get that or at the very least force the Eagles to trade him so he can get that from the team he gets traded to.