1 minute ago, RLC said:

Definitely immaturity!

 

Using time value of money on future deals is a market inefficiency that we're talking advantage of. We're doing it THIS year because of the Saints trade.

Always trade for future picks because people they're undervalued by GMs who don't have the job security that Howie does.

Sure... but this team is supposed to be built to win now, before Hurts' big money kicks in, no?   Trade away a big asset for NOW, for a possible maybe of a future opportunity to get a player later.  

I know some will bow down at the Howie shrine every time he sneezes... but this wasn't a good move.  This was a save face move. 

The spin will be the future 2nd... but right now, its not a 2nd, it's a 3rd.   And it's 2 full years away.   If this was a team in a rebuild, it makes sense.   BUT, we'll see no return in 2024... nothing in 2025... virtually nothing (or nothing) in 2026... so, 2027 is when this move really starts to pay off.  That's FOUR seasons from now.    Yes, we have freed up some money off the cap for 2025.  BUT, the reason that money was there is because of Howie constantly piling up the void years and so he made that bed that he's trying to dig out of.  

Count me unimpressed with this move.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Apples to oranges.  The Eagles left Dean on the board at their second round pick to select Cam Jurgens.  When Dean was still on the board at their 3rd round pick they selected him, without a trade-up.

Nolan Smith was a first round pick 

It's not apples to oranges. Nolan Smith looked awful in limited snaps this year.

You want to count on Nolan Smith(a total unknown who looked awful in 2024) and Bryce Huff a gamble signing getting increased snaps on another team? Ok fine. But if it doesn't work out, then Howie should be held accountable. And by that I mean fired. They are in a championship window and just gave away their best defensive player for a pick they won't see in 2 years. If their pass rush isn't up to snuff in 2024, Howie needs to be held accountable for it.

I still think they go CB or OL in round one. 

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Hate the value.  Hate losing arguably our best player on the defense.  Now they will go a use the 1st rounder to replace him.  

I don’t think there’s much of an argument. He was clearly the best player on the defense. 

Impressive calculated timing though from Roseman to do this not only on a Friday afternoon but also during Phillies home opener to try to reduce the level of public blowback.

Just now, justwinbaby said:

I guess if they're really high on Baun producing a lot? Huff is a projection with more fulltime snaps, Smith has to prove a lot, BG is like 50 years old and will play about 10 a game. They just have no proven players on the edge not that a 1st rounder will change that. Reddick was that dude.

Absolutely agree with this, Nolan & Huff are question marks for sure….but you’re paying Huff 17m a year & used a 1st rd pick on Smith, gotta let those guys show what they’re capable of. No reason to add another EDGE to the mix unless it’s with the mindset of replacing Sweat eventually. Even then wouldn’t make sense.

strange eagles offseason though

4 minutes ago, just relax said:

We HOPE Reddick has a good year in 2024, elevating our 2026 pick to a second. We HOPE Reddick falls off in 2025 along with the Jets and we get a high second in 2026. We get room this year for Simmons (HOPEfully) without blowing through our cap space.

I also think Fangio doesn't think Reddick fits what he wants to do very well.

I HOPE I'm right about this.

Definitely.   Another shoe needs to fall with this move.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Thank you.  That’s the funniest thing I’ve read this month.

Yeah. Easy to make fun of the Jets until they fleece you for your best defensive player. Who is our best defender now? Defense is a total mess might as well just draft all offense.

 

3 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Hate the value.  Hate losing arguably our best player on the defense.  Now they will go an use the 1st rounder to replace him.  

Supposedly, that's what they did already with Nolan Smith.  

Don't like it

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t think there’s much of an argument. He was clearly the best player on the defense. 

 

I think Jalen Carter was our best player on defense.  He hit the rookie wall and faded towards the end of the year but Reddick also completely fell off at the end of the season.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

It's not apples to oranges. Nolan Smith looked awful in limited snaps this year.

You want to count on Nolan Smith(a total unknown who looked awful in 2024) and Bryce Huff a gamble signing getting increased snaps on another team? Ok fine. But if it doesn't work out, then Howie should be held accountable. And by that I mean fired. They are in a championship window and just gave away their best defensive player for a pick they won't see in 2 years. If their pass rush isn't up to snuff in 2024, Howie needs to be held accountable for it.

The Eagles were 19th in the NFL in 2023 WITH Reddick.  They’re not weakening a league-best unit.  If they can get equivalent pressure rate with two younger and cheaper EDGE guys, that’s what they’re trying to do.

It also became way more important for Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, and Nolan Smith to really show something now. Cox & Reddick gone this defense is lacking serious veteran leadership, thank god we signed Fangio.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We don’t get room on the cap this year 

$14.5 million. Oops. Minus $1 million roster bonus, so $13.5 million.

9 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

But like.. why? I hate this so much. DE is definitely in play in the 1st round now

RDE was always in play. Graham is done after this season and Sweat is coming off a poor second half of the season.

But RDE is a different position than the rush LB we have. That is where Smith and Huff play. I would not expect a player like that to be drafted early.

Expect a bigger DE who plays out of a 3 point stance.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Every year there are going to be players on your roster somewhere approaching 30. If every time a player approaches that age, you don't want to pay them, you're going to spend your time perpetually filling holes, and the immediate needs won't be filled.

This defense right now on paper is terrible. They have question marks all over the place. With Reddick and Cox gone, they lost their two best defensive players from 2023. And they have dire needs at corner and other areas of the team, but if they spend a first round pick on an edge that's one less pick they can use to actually address an immediate need. You have to balance building for now and the future. Can't neglect the "now" aspect, especially in a championship window. They now created a need at edge. So they now need: edge, CB, LB, Safety, OG, WR. How are they going to fill all these holes?

Last year.

Reddick and Smith
Sweat and Graham

This year.

Huff and Smith
Sweat and Graham

There is no need.

Of course,  scientific studies show that you need to have an IQ over 130 to understand that when you add an expensive OLB/edge,  and you already have an expensive OLB/edge,  you have 1 more expensive OLB/edge than you want to have,  and the one you already have is going to go.  And that's what exactly happened.  But you need to have an IQ over 130 to realize that.  People with IQs below 130 think a bunch of different stuff,  like "adding 1 expensive olb/edge to another expensive olb/edge is just the beginning of the process of completely filling the roster with expensive olb/edges." 

1 minute ago, just relax said:

$14.5 million.

All his dead money accelerates to this year because it’s before June 1st. It’s a $1.3M saving in cap space but with the report the Eagles are picking up that $1M option bonus, it will only be $300k I’d guess.

It frees up some cash, but not cap. 

"Eagles won’t take less than a 2nd”….a week later they take a 2026 3rd. 

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

$14.5 million.

Nah, the void years accelerate to this year... which costs $14.68M.  So, the savings will be in 2025.  

I get why people are upset. It makes us worse in 2024. But it'll make us better in 2025 (cap space) and a day 2 pick in 2026. 

It's a move smart organizations do. 

You have to separate this into two different situations.

The first one is, were you fine with the Eagles choosing an ascending young talent with upside, a second year first round pick, and cap space over a soon to be 30 year old Reddick? To me that's an easy yes and it amazes me how much Reddick is overrated by some people on this board due to one outlier season.

The second one is, what do you think of the compensation the Eagles got for Reddick. I think it absolutely sucks. You either get a 3rd round pick THIS YEAR, or a guaranteed 2nd round pick in 2025. A pick in 2026 which could just as easily be a 3rd as it could be a 2nd is almost pointless.

So yeah, I am more than fine with the direction they chose to go in but Howie should have waited this out if that was the best offer he got. Based on the contract he got with the Eagles and this trade it's obvious the league doesn't value Reddick all that much but a pick that could be a 3rd two years from now, ugghh.

Don’t like it. Right from the start I would have rather extended Reddick and traded Sweat. I know the cap and compensation implications would have been less beneficial for us but I also think the difference in Reddick and Sweat as players would have been worth it. 

1 minute ago, TEW said:

RDE was always in play. Graham is done after this season and Sweat is coming off a poor second half of the season.

But RDE is a different position than the rush LB we have. That is where Smith and Huff play. I would not expect a player like that to be drafted early.

Expect a bigger DE who plays out of a 3 point stance.

Bigger as in Darius Robinson? What type of DE is a Fangio type of player

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles were 19th in the NFL in 2023 WITH Reddick.  They’re not weakening a league-best unit.  If they can get equivalent pressure rate with two younger and cheaper EDGE guys, that’s what they’re trying to do.

Like I have stated many times, I basically completely throw out the 2023 season or at the very least don't count anything from the point when Patricia took over. It skews the data because of how awful of a situation the whole thing became. They were not the 19th best pass rush in the NFL. If Fangio had been DC in 2023, They would have been top 10 and probably closer to top 5 in sacks and pressures. And they didn't have to trade Reddick. They could have kept him and added Huff on top of it. They would've had a top tier pass rush with that combo. This was not some desperate cap team where they needed to make this move to get under the cap. It's just an awful football decision.