1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

Huff had one less sack in about half the snaps last season so sarcastic DBery or not facts aren't in your favor.

Yup.  Huff had a career year.  Reddick had a down year.   Facts aren't in either person's favor.  Facts are facts.  Your conclusions are the ones that are weak based on the facts.  Huff, until further notice, is a one year wonder.  Reddick is a premier pass rusher.  

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

I have zero hope if he stayed and played out his final year that

A- we resign him

or

B- He gets a good enough deal to land us a 3rd comp pick. 

So pick your poison, for sure 3rd rounder with small chance at 2nd or keep him for 1 more year and risk getting late pick or more likely 4th rd

He was as good as gone once we signed Huff and re-structured Sweat, and I said we’d be looking at a lte 3 at best (I definitely didn’t expect it to happen in 2026 though). I’m a proponent of moving on a year too early than a year too late. 

I understand why most are down on the trade, but obviously this was the best Howie could get. He didn’t want to extend Reddick, which is completely understandable in and of itself. A future 3 for one year of Reddick is smart trade in a vacuum. 

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Huff had one less sack in about half the snaps last season so sarcastic DBery or not facts aren't in your favor.

Here's to hoping that Huffs limited snaps were not because he was an extreme liability against the run. Going to be interesting to watch this play out 

31 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That doesn't make Reddick the problem in my eyes.   Sirianni was as big a problem as anyone last year.   Why is he back?

My recollection was that it was going in both directions.  Reddick yelling and Sirianni yelling back.

Phillies told Howie to hold their beer 

Just now, ManuManu said:

He was as good as gone once we signed Huff and re-structured Sweat, and I said we’d be looking at a lte 3 at best (I definitely didn’t expect it to happen in 2026 though). I’m a proponent of moving on a year too early than a year too late. 

I understand why most are down on the trade, but obviously this was the best Howie could get. He didn’t want to extend Reddick, which is completely understandable in and of itself. A future 3 for one year of Reddick is smart trade in a vacuum. 

A future future three. ha

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I can't remember which game it was.  I'm thinking the Cardinals game but might have been one of the Giants games.  It was a single shot of him getting upset.  It was quite possible it was just a one time thing regarding one play in the heat of the game but I remember it did surprise me.

There was plenty of be upset about last season.   Nothing from Reddick's past would indicate that he was, in any way, a locker room cancer.   He was unhappy with his contract... BUT... handled it as a professional and didn't make a big deal about it at all, and said almost nothing about it at all, IIRC, during the season.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  Huff had a career year.  Reddick had a down year.   Facts aren't in either person's favor.  Facts are facts.  Your conclusions are the ones that are weak based on the facts.  Huff, until further notice, is a one year wonder.  Reddick is a premier pass rusher.  

LMAO, Reddick didn't have a down year. He's been a 10-12 sack guy since his breakout in 2020 minus one outlier season that people have skewed into being the norm.

I'll say this, the Phils bullpen  sucks much worse than this trade.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

I'll say this, the Phils bullpen  sucks much worse than this trade.

It’s the best in MLB 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  Huff had a career year.  Reddick had a down year.   Facts aren't in either person's favor.  Facts are facts.  Your conclusions are the ones that are weak based on the facts.  Huff, until further notice, is a one year wonder.  Reddick is a premier pass rusher.  

Huff will likely be worse than Reddick in 2024, but better than Reddick in 2025 and 2026 at less cost.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

LMAO, Reddick didn't have a down year. He's been a 10-12 sack guy since his breakout in 2020 minus one outlier season that people have skewed into being the norm.

You were defending the trade and now you’re defending Reddick. You’re going in circles. 

1 minute ago, judunno said:

A future future three. ha

That future pic I might be a key element in trading up to draft our new QB

Hmm isn't that the Arch Manning projected draft 🤔 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

This offseason sucks.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There was plenty of be upset about last season.   Nothing from Reddick's past would indicate that he was, in any way, a locker room cancer.   He was unhappy with his contract... BUT... handled it as a professional and didn't make a big deal about it at all, and said almost nothing about it at all, IIRC, during the season.

I would tend to agree 100% BUT then this trade occurred and I can't really understand why and I'm thinking maybe there was more to it then we have been able to see so far.

btw - I really don't like the trade.

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

My recollection was that it was going in both directions.  Reddick yelling and Sirianni yelling back.

Like I said earlier,  Sirianni was as much to blame for last season as any single person.   So, he deserved to be held accountable by Reddick.   Sirianni proved last season that he's an impulsive, emotional, uncontrolled individual.  So, I'm not going to point the finger at Reddick instead of Sirianni.  I've never seen Reddick get into it with fans before, during or after a game.   I can't say that about Sirianni.  He's proven that he's not capable of controlling himself on the sidelines.  He yelled at Indy fans in 2022... he yelled at KC fans this past season.   He's just a dope.

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

That future pic I might be a key element in trading up to draft our new QB

Hmm isn't that the Arch Manning projected draft 🤔 

If he ever sees the field. Frustrating being in Austin and not getting to see him play.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Like I said earlier,  Sirianni was as much to blame for last off season as any single person.   So, he deserved to be held accountable by Reddick.   Sirianni proved last season that he's an impulsive, emotional, uncontrolled individual.  So, I'm not going to point the finger at Reddick instead of Sirianni.  I've never seen Reddick get into it with fans before, during or after a game.   I can't say that about Sirianni.  He's proven that he's not capable of controlling himself on the sidelines.  He yelled at Indy fans in 2022... he yelled at KC fans this past season.   He's just a dope.

Not to mention the report that big Dom had to keep Sirianni on a leash. What a shitshow.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I am fine swapping Reddick for Huff - bet on the younger player who hopefully keeps ascending. 2022 was likely Reddick’s apex. Add in the reasonable contract for Huff and it makes sense. 
 

The aggravating part of this is that they didn’t need to do this. Certainly not for a 3rd round pick 2 years from now and 15mm in 2025 cap space. 

I can only imagine the complaints we'd be reading if Reddick was extended and followed that up with a sack total that slipped a bit more. Everybody would be criticizing Howie for "holding on to players too long ..."

Just now, DrPhilly said:

I would tend to agree 100% BUT then this trade occurred and I can't really understand why and I'm thinking maybe there was more to it then we have been able to see so far.

btw - I really don't like the trade.

They had a plan and didn’t necessarily care about the exact pieces, in my opinion. Sweat took the bait first, so he stays. 

Just now, DrPhilly said:

I would tend to agree 100% BUT then this trade occurred and I can't really understand why and I'm thinking maybe there was more to it then we have been able to see so far.

btw - I really don't like the trade.

I don't think Howie liked that he was vocal, even that one time, about his contract.   This, to me, is 100% a Howie thing, and nothing about Reddick as a teammate.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Like I said earlier,  Sirianni was as much to blame for last off season as any single person.   So, he deserved to be held accountable by Reddick.

I was a "fire Sirianni" guy at the end of the year.  It was his job to hold things together and he clearly didn't do that.

On the other hand, players should never be getting into a beeotch match with the head coach on the sidelines during a game.

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

You were defending the trade and now you’re defending Reddick. You’re going in circles. 

Yet again you are completely misquoting me. I never defended the trade, in fact I said the value sucked. What I defended was the decision to not give a 30 year old Reddick a huge extension and invest in younger cheaper talent at the position. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Also, I'm not defending Reddick at all. I'm pointing out he's a good pass rusher who can get a team 10-12 sacks but isn't the elite player he was for one outlier season in 2023. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They had a plan and didn’t necessarily care about the exact pieces, in my opinion. Sweat took the bait first, so he stays. 

The writing was on the wall for Reddick when they drafted Nolan Smith, who seemed to be a Reddick clone.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  Huff had a career year.  Reddick had a down year.   Facts aren't in either person's favor.  Facts are facts.  Your conclusions are the ones that are weak based on the facts.  Huff, until further notice, is a one year wonder.  Reddick is a premier pass rusher.  

And the latest "facts" would then say that Reddick regressed badly. Not that I believe that, I just don't let pessimism effect my expectations one way or the other.