1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

But if he didnt have a new deal with the Jets, at least in principle, why not just play it out here on a potential contender? Better shot at a big payday 

Maybe the Jets are open to a potential extension, but they’re far apart right now. The Eagles likely never wanted to extend him. 

50 minutes ago, judunno said:

Reddick out played his contract and didn't get to cash in. Instead Bradberry got his money smh. Really does suck for him if you think about it. For years he was played out of position. Finally used right and still missed his big pay day. Those are the breaks I guess.

He'll have made $45 million in 3 years.  Pretty good cheese.

The Jets could have told Reddick that they'll extend him now or if he has a good year.

The Eagles were clearly not doing that, so that's why the player is better off with a change of scenary.

35 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Bingo. We got boned on the trade because Howie forced us into a position with barely any leverage in the first place. Fairly low risk move for the Jets for a good pass rusher considering the comp pick they could get if he walks in FA. Oh well, at least we got Kenny Pickett though.

 

Happy Easter!

The Panthers not trading Burns for 2 1sts didn't help

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought bowling alleys banned cigarettes back in the 90s.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Jets could have told Reddick that they'll extend him now or if he has a good year.

The Eagles were clearly not doing that, so that's why the player is better off with a change of scenary.

Still does not make sense to trade him for a 2026 3rd as a team trying to compete. This may go down as Howies worst trade ever.

8 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Still does not make sense to trade him for a 2026 3rd as a team trying to compete. This may go down as Howies worst trade ever.

There's no way this is a worse trade than Genard Avery, even if Reddick ages very well. 

10 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Still does not make sense to trade him for a 2026 3rd as a team trying to compete. This may go down as Howies worst trade ever.

There was no way we were giving him 25-30M a year at 30. 

If we kept him then he plays next year, leaves in free agency, takes up 15M, and at best we get a 3rd round comp pick in 2026. Which if we sign anyone decent then we could lose.

Now, we guaranteed a 3rd in 2026 and at best a 2nd, already signed another DE with potential, drafted his replacement last year, and gain 15M next year to sign 1-2 impact players. It’s a good trade.

 

I still think there might be something else behind the Reddick trade other than just them not being able to agree on a contract. I’m not implying anything locker room related when I say that. Because the trade feels more like a Joe Banner move than a Howie Roseman move. Howie trading productive players when they approach 30 has not been Howie’s MO. Quite the opposite actually. He has paid guys well into their 30’s and it’s worked out for him. Graham, Kelce, Lane, Cox, Jenkins, Peters. And we all know if Jason Kelce decided to play another year but said he wants a raise and wants 17m for 2024 Howie would’ve found a way to give it to him. And suddenly with Haason Reddick they change course.

Howie of old would have redone Reddick’s deal a year ago coming off that monster season and made sure Reddick was locked up and taken care of.

I think there’s something else at play here. It could be something as simple as the Eagles changing how they operate and deciding they don’t want to pay older defensive guys anymore. It could be Vic Fangio not being a fan of Reddick. I have no idea. But this move is very unlike Howie and I still think something else is at play that we don’t know about yet.

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Typical chiefs player. They're about as bad as cowboy players

46 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

He'll have made $45 million in 3 years.  Pretty good cheese.

Not maximized is my point. $45 million is nice but gotta remember more than 1/2 of that he never sees.

25 minutes ago, RLC said:

There's no way this is a worse trade than Genard Avery, even if Reddick ages very well. 

If Reddick goes on to continue being a sack leader in the NFL then is far, far worse than then Avery trade. Trading for Avery didn’t subtract a ton from us - he just didn’t add anything. We lost the pick but how many of our 3rd round picks every turn out? Reddick being a 10+ sack guy the next 3 years will be a dickkick

This offseason feelsnlike a total

fail

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

Not maximized is my point. $45 million is nice but gotta remember more than 1/2 of that he never sees.

I don't know, $45 may be his max.  When the Eagles signed him the gave him 2.5x what he was paid in Carolina.  Is he worth another $30 million guaranteed at $20 million plus a season?  Was he ever?

6 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

If Reddick goes on to continue being a sack leader in the NFL then is far, far worse than then Avery trade. Trading for Avery didn’t subtract a ton from us - he just didn’t add anything. We lost the pick but how many of our 3rd round picks every turn out? Reddick being a 10+ sack guy the next 3 years will be a dickkick

You would have wanted to pay big money for Reddick’s age 31 and 32 season and likely a huge cap hip for his age 33 season as well?

9 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

This offseason feelsnlike a total

fail

Lotta ballgame left. 

14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

This offseason feelsnlike a total

fail

Man, Eagles fans are nuts.  Our D sucked last season so we change DC to an experienced and successful DC, change to an innovative OC, sign a young and upcoming DE to a good contract, sign CJ back, sign Barkley, sign a good, veteran OG, keep Graham so he retires an Eagle, have 3 picks in the top 52 of the draft, add an interesting back up QB.  Took a swing with Devin White (though I'm not confident), and had to navigate a demand for too much money/trade for their sack leader and get a 3rd which could be a 2nd for him.  So they basically got Huff and a 3rd for Reddick.  The Panthers got a 2nd & 5th for Burns and the Giants gave him $87.5 million guaranteed.   

I think you need to adjust your judgment on the off season.

Projected 2024 Depth Chart – Training Camp

Offense (24)
QB(3): Hurts, Pickett, McKee
RB(4): Barkley, Gainwell, ???, ???
TE(3): Goedert, Calcaterra, Okwuegbunam
WR(5): Brown, Smith, Parker, Campbell, Covey
OL(9) Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, ???, Johnson
Steen, Hennessy, F. Johnson, ????

Defense (26)
DE(5): Sweat, Huff, Graham, P. Johnson, ???
DT(5): Davis, Carter, Williams, Ojomo, Tuipulotu
Stack LB(4): Dean, White, Burks, Van Summeren
Rush LB(2): N. Smith, Baun
S(4): Gardner-Johnson, Blankenship, Brown, ???
CB(6): Slay, Ringo, Rodgers, Bradberry, Ricks, ???

Specialists (3)
K: Elliott
P: Siposs
LS: Lovato

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I keep looking at that and can't shake OL in RD1.
RB on day 3 also seems like a lock.  

43 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

If Reddick goes on to continue being a sack leader in the NFL then is far, far worse than then Avery trade. Trading for Avery didn’t subtract a ton from us - he just didn’t add anything. We lost the pick but how many of our 3rd round picks every turn out? Reddick being a 10+ sack guy the next 3 years will be a dickkick

You mean like last season when he was 15th in the league in the sacks? You have quite a liberal definition of what "being a sack leader in the NFL" means.

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

Projected 2024 Depth Chart – Training Camp

Offense (24)
QB(3): Hurts, Pickett, McKee
RB(4): Barkley, Gainwell, ???, ???
TE(3): Goedert, Calcaterra, Okwuegbunam
WR(5): Brown, Smith, Parker, Campbell, Covey
OL(9) Mailata, Dickerson, Jurgens, ???, Johnson
Steen, Hennessy, F. Johnson, ????

Defense (26)
DE(5): Sweat, Huff, Graham, P. Johnson, ???
DT(5): Davis, Carter, Williams, Ojomo, Tuipulotu
Stack LB(4): Dean, White, Burks, Van Summeren
Rush LB(2): N. Smith, Baun
S(4): Gardner-Johnson, Blankenship, Brown, ???
CB(6): Slay, Ringo, Rodgers, Bradberry, Ricks, ???

Specialists (3)
K: Elliott
P: Siposs
LS: Lovato

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I keep looking at that and can't shake OL in RD1.
RB on day 3 also seems like a lock.  

OL, WR 3, and TE 2 need upgrades. Late RB will probably happen or another vet later.

DL, LB, and secondary need obvious help. 

Decent off-season IF the signings pan out but he better nail the first few picks. Not sure we can expect them to come in and help this year,  though. 

2 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Reddick was a FA and he chose the contract the Eagles gave him. He regretted the decision a year into signing a deal and made it an issue with the FO.

The Eagles were the ones that granted Reddick and his agent permission to seek out a trade since they weren’t happy with the way things were going with the FO. Eagles were fully comfortable with letting him play out his contract here.

It took Howie almost 2 months to get a trade through. That should show how the league values a player with the skill set that Reddick has. There’s a reason he’s on his 4th team in 6 years. That doesn’t happen with elite pass rushers. Teams obviously don’t like the rest of his game outside of his sack production, and apparently it’s worth a 3rd 3 drafts from now.

Yep. A few people on this board got way too carried away with him after one outlier season where everyone on the Eagles D had career years. He is not an elite edge rusher in this league and might not even be top 10 when you consider he is basically a total liability against the run.

18 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Yep. A few people on this board got way too carried away with him after one outlier season where everyone on the Eagles D had career years. He is not an elite edge rusher in this league and might not even be top 10 when you consider he is basically a total liability against the run.

Yeah, which isn't a guy you pay 20 million to at his age. Nobody wants to lose a potentially good DE but extending him is how you get into cap trouble. I'd have kept him and gotten a 3rd round comp back for him a year earlier but maybe it let's them make a move we aren't aware of yet. They still need some vets to win this year.

He's top 5 in the NFL in sacks over the last 4 seasons. He's certainly elite. Whether or not he remains elite through future years of a contract extension is the question, but he is an elite edge rusher and has been since he converted to that role full time.

46 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Yep. A few people on this board got way too carried away with him after one outlier season where everyone on the Eagles D had career years. He is not an elite edge rusher in this league and might not even be top 10 when you consider he is basically a total liability against the run.

I disagree with that. I do believe Reddick is one of the top edge rushers in the NFL and he's not a "total liability against the run." He was much improved this last season vs the run. 

He's still small compared to your typical 4-3 DE and mass will limit what a player can do against other mass, but he knows how to beat blocks with technique and has a good football IQ. There's no reason to pretend he was bad at that aspect of the game --- because he just wasn't.

But Reddick apparently wasn't happy with the contract he recently agreed to. Fans weren't happy with the defense as a whole. It doesn't seem prudent to hand out pay raises to players that are more unhappy about their money than they are about the play of the team on their side of the ball. If his contract had expired, it would have been time to work out a new deal, but wanting a new contract just one season after a 3 year deal is absurd. The bottom line is N. Smith was drafted to be his possible replacement at the conclusion of the 3-year deal. Huff was brought in this year because the Eagles obviously knew they would be shipping Reddick at some point before the season. We don't have to depend on Smith making a huge jump this season. The drop-off from Reddick to Huff/Smith in 2024 may not even exist. Based on 2023, I'm not even sure I'd admit a drop-off from Reddick to Huff. We know that Reddick can play more snaps, but we can also argue that his effectiveness waned late in the season. It's kind of sad when D. Barnett out-produced all our edge rushers combined in the last 5 games everybody played. 

IMO, the people that are really upset about this trade are mostly the same people that always complain about Howie. This is just another thing they can criticize because there won't be any results to measure the trade with for months. So they can sit here crying, unchallenged for a long time. It's really their favorite time of year.