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6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

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5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

LMAO, he isn't in the same discussion as Parsons, Bosa, Garrett, Crosby, Hunter, Burns, etc. Also, since you are so obsessed with sack production and not taking into account play versus the run or the fact that other guys who were more productive on a per game basis had injuries over those last four seasons. Trey FN Hendrickson has had more sacks over the last four seasons than Reddick and nobody considers him elite. I know you love to go out of your way to be "edgy" and bash the organization but this isn't the hill to die on for that especially when projecting ahead over the next couple of seasons for a 30 year old DE who wanted to be one of the top paid guys in the league and forced his way out.

He's clearly behind Parsons and Garrett. He's absolutely in the discussion with Burns. To say he isn't, you just aren't being objective. Same with Crosby. And you keep harping on about him playing the run like the guy is Jason Babin. Is he some elite run defender? No. But he wasn't some joke out there either just getting manhandled and tossed away like a rag doll on run plays. That angle has been way overplayed by people who want to bash the guy on his way out of town. It's revisionist history garbage. I love how when the guy is gone now all of a sudden he has all these huge terrible flaws, but when he was an Eagle everyone talks about how great he was. It isn't impossible for the Eagles to have made a bad trade, you know. They've made several in recent years. And like I said, I'm talking about what he has done not what he will do. I said right now he's elite. Because right now he is. That's the argument you tried to make. That he has not been an elite edge. He has been.

Reddick was not elite in 2023. That's wearing blinders saying that. Without looking at the stats and just with the eye test. He was pretty invisible most of the year. Yes, he had a block of good games, but super inconsistent and faded in the 2nd half with the rest of the defense. Very few splash plays or forced fumbles which he created in 2022. Howie's job is to project.  He obviously sees Huff on the way up and Reddick on the way down. And you are not paying both of them big bucks for a few years.  And 2024 was not gonna happen, as I am sure Howie tried. Like he did with Sweat and his restructure.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

Reddick was not elite in 2023. That's wearing blinders saying that. Without looking at the stats and just with the eye test. He was pretty invisible most of the year. Yes, he had a block of good games, but super inconsistent and faded in the 2nd half with the rest of the defesne. Very few splash plays or forced fumbles which he created in 2022.

According to him being 15th in the league in sacks is "elite" and Reddick being unhappy with his contract and not wanting to be here isn't true. It's way past the point of being a waste of time trying to have an intelligent discussion about this with him.

The divide on Reddick is interesting 

14 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Reddick was not elite in 2023. That's wearing blinders saying that. Without looking at the stats and just with the eye test. He was pretty invisible most of the year. Yes, he had a block of good games, but super inconsistent and faded in the 2nd half with the rest of the defense. Very few splash plays or forced fumbles which he created in 2022. Howie's job is to project.  He obviously sees Huff on the way up and Reddick on the way down. And you are not paying both of them big bucks for a few years.  And 2024 was not gonna happen, as I am sure Howie tried. Like he did with Sweat and his restructure.

This just isn't true. He had 11 sacks in 10 games. For a big chunk of the season he was on a better production pace than 2022. The key difference is in 2022 Reddick had 6 sacks in weeks 15-17. Reddick finished the season in 2022 really strongly, but for the majority of 2022 Reddick was basically the same as he was in 2023. And in 2023 he started off the season with a cast and himself said it affected his ability to get pressure, so that probably cost him a couple sacks. And then the Patricia ruining the defense in 2023 where most of the defense stopped getting pressure. Carter, Sweat completely disappeared as well.

And when I say he's elite I'm talking about his body of work. I don't view players on a year to year basis when analyzing them. If Parsons had a down season in 2024 and only had 9 sacks anyone would be a fool to say he's not elite. He'd be an elite player who didn't play as well. But even with that, there are very logical explanations for Reddick's decline in sack production in 2023, which I just gave. But you said "he was invisible for most of the year." Objectively false. 11 sacks in 10 games is not being invisible. In that stretch he was more productive than in 2022.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

The divide on Reddick is interesting 

Interesting but getting repetitive.

"If Reddick plays really well for the next few years I'm going to be furious with this trade!"

"But if he starts to fall off and Huff turns out to be a beast this move will be awesome! Reddick wasn't good at the end of last year!"

"But he was on pace for a monster season until Patricia took over and the whole defense stunk!"

"But he's 30! You don't extend 30 year old players!"

*Repeat ad nauseum*

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct.  Reddick asked for more money, because he came on a low ball offer and clearly exceeded expectations in the first two years.   Meanwhile, he cost about $11M combined for those two seasons.  So, it feels like it would have been expensive to give him more money.  But, it really wouldn't.  He got roughly $15M/year for his time, which puts him around the 20th or so highest paid EDGE player.  He was more like a top 5... which is worth roughly an additional $10M/year more.  Giving him that money now, while he has a cap hit of $20M+ and $15M dead coming in 2025 makes it feel much worse.    Had they done it after the season last year... and had his cap hits been more in line with his cash value... roughly $9M and $12M in cap... (That's $5M more than it actually was...). Then a little more money wouldn't have been so noticeable.    But, this is how Howie does it.  He pushes the cap hits into the future, more WAY WAY MORE than any other GM in the NFL.   It has benefits, but it has consequences too.  And we just saw one.   There's no one that can say with a straight face that this trade made the team better for 2024... even with the signing of Huff factored in.   We hope Huff can be what Reddick has been while here.  And we hope the $14M this move freed up for 2025 will help fix the weaker talent on the field.  We'll see if t does.  But the draft pick won't pay off until around 2027, if at all.

I just don’t think your interpretation about Reddick is correct. His cap number in 2022 and 2023 are pretty irrelevant. The Eagles are taking a good cap hit just to trade him (because they paid him a good signing bonus). This isn’t about the cap or Howie kicking the can. This is 100 percent about not wanting to extend Reddick for his age-31+ seasons. Howie would have been happy to keep him on his current salary if Reddick would have been content. Instead he wanted more money so the Eagles effectively replaced him for less money than Reddick wanted while also getting younger and recouping a pick. If you want to be upset about losing Reddick for 2024, that’s fine. But he wasn’t in the plans for 2025 and beyond, and his own desire for more money took him out of the plans for 2024. 

1 sacks in the first four games, 2.5 sacks over the last six games of the season

So 3.5 sacks total over 10 games (59%) to start and end the season but nah he wasn't invisible for most of the season, lol. 

I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for people when they are in denial this badly.

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Interesting but getting repetitive.

"If Reddick plays really well for the next few years I'm going to be furious with this trade!"

"But if he starts to fall off and Huff turns out to be a beast this move will be awesome! Reddick wasn't good at the end of last year!"

"But he was on pace for a monster season until Patricia took over and the whole defense stunk!"

"But he's 30! You don't extend 30 year old players!"

*Repeat ad nauseum*

It's also funny how Howie put himself into this situation

 

I'M PISSED!!!!!

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

According to him being 15th in the league in sacks is "elite" and Reddick being unhappy with his contract and not wanting to be here isn't true. It's way past the point of being a waste of time trying to have an intelligent discussion about this with him.

Reddick isn't elite, but he is good and he is better than Smith, better than Sweat.  Losing him hurts our defense for this season, but paying him a lot of $$ over the next 3 seasons is also a mistake.  Tough spot and I believe enough in the Eagles and Reddick's professionalism that both sides were open and honest with their current and future intentions. Open enough for Reddick to sign off on a trade to the Jets without a new contract in place. For whatever reasons it leads me to believe Reddick preferred to play for the Jets under that contract compared to playing for the Eagles under the same contract.

 

 

Reddick might be great in 2024.  He also might fall off hard.  He’s barely going to be a factor in 2025.

 

Dude is gone and didn't do crap in the SB slipping or not.

31 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

He's clearly behind Parsons and Garrett. He's absolutely in the discussion with Burns. To say he isn't, you just aren't being objective. Same with Crosby. And you keep harping on about him playing the run like the guy is Jason Babin. Is he some elite run defender? No. But he wasn't some joke out there either just getting manhandled and tossed away like a rag doll on run plays. That angle has been way overplayed by people who want to bash the guy on his way out of town. It's revisionist history garbage. I love how when the guy is gone now all of a sudden he has all these huge terrible flaws, but when he was an Eagle everyone talks about how great he was. It isn't impossible for the Eagles to have made a bad trade, you know. They've made several in recent years. And like I said, I'm talking about what he has done not what he will do. I said right now he's elite. Because right now he is. That's the argument you tried to make. That he has not been an elite edge. He has been.

I like Reddick but he is also firmly behind Crosby. That guy is an animal and he has DPOY potential. The main difference when comparing him to these guys is where they're at in their careers. Reddick reached his peak and will likely start declining (at what rate is TBD), while these other guys are in their primes.

I would have preferred Reddick stayed here but I see why they did the trade. Gonna lose him after the season anyway, get the guaranteed pick instead of hoping for a comp pick.

It is curious though, in my mind it makes me think the FO doesn't think they can win it all this year. Why trade him if you're going all in? Trading a sure thing away in favor of a hope that Huff matches his production at a key position doesn't scream confidence to me. Add in their oother"big" moves are also gambles (White turning it around and CJ staying healthy) and this looks like a "let's see where we're at" season while looking to really dump everything into 2025

16 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

1 sacks in the first four games, 2.5 sacks over the last six games of the season

So 3.5 sacks total over 10 games (59%) to start and end the season but nah he wasn't invisible for most of the season, lol. 

I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for people when they are in denial this badly.

Hard to tell whether you're trolling at this point, but 11 sacks in 17 games when he had a cast on his hand and couldn't generate pressure for the first 3-4 weeks of the season and then Patricia ruined the defense when he took over is not "being invisible for most of the season."

And that's excluding the fact that not registered a sack on a stat sheet doesn't mean you are invisible and didn't contribute. I suppose he would have needed to get to get sacks in 15 games to pass your standard as "not being invisible." When you're a clear hater of a player and aren't going to be objective, you're going to set silly standards to keep so you can keep pushing agenda against said player.

Reddick had 9 games where he didn't register a sack. 3 of which he played with one hand. Brian Burns didn't record a sack in 8 of his games. By your logic I guess he was invisible for a big chunk of the season too. Nick Bosa had 0 sacks in 8 games. Guess he was invisible too.

14 minutes ago, devpool said:

I like Reddick but he is also firmly behind Crosby. That guy is an animal and he has DPOY potential. The main difference when comparing him to these guys is where they're at in their careers. Reddick reached his peak and will likely start declining (at what rate is TBD), while these other guys are in their primes.

I would have preferred Reddick stayed here but I see why they did the trade. Gonna lose him after the season anyway, get the guaranteed pick instead of hoping for a comp pick.

It is curious though, in my mind it makes me think the FO doesn't think they can win it all this year. Why trade him if you're going all in? Trading a sure thing away in favor of a hope that Huff matches his production at a key position doesn't scream confidence to me. Add in their oother"big" moves are also gambles (White turning it around and CJ staying healthy) and this looks like a "let's see where we're at" season while looking to really dump everything into 2025

Can't be because they want to get younger when they have Bradberry, Slay, BG, etc.

36 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

This just isn't true. He had 11 sacks in 10 games. For a big chunk of the season he was on a better production pace than 2022. The key difference is in 2022 Reddick had 6 sacks in weeks 15-17. Reddick finished the season in 2022 really strongly, but for the majority of 2022 Reddick was basically the same as he was in 2023. And in 2023 he started off the season with a cast and himself said it affected his ability to get pressure, so that probably cost him a couple sacks. And then the Patricia ruining the defense in 2023 where most of the defense stopped getting pressure. Carter, Sweat completely disappeared as well.

And when I say he's elite I'm talking about his body of work. I don't view players on a year to year basis when analyzing them. If Parsons had a down season in 2024 and only had 9 sacks anyone would be a fool to say he's not elite. He'd be an elite player who didn't play as well. But even with that, there are very logical explanations for Reddick's decline in sack production in 2023, which I just gave. But you said "he was invisible for most of the year." Objectively false. 11 sacks in 10 games is not being invisible. In that stretch he was more productive than in 2022.

He had seven sacks in three games and four in the other 14.

10 minutes ago, just relax said:

He had seven sacks in three games and four in the other 14.

That's how it works for most players. Especially when 3 of those 14 were with the cast and the remaining handful of games when he's dropping into coverage and in Patricia's awful defense. Players who get 10-15 sacks typically don't have them evenly distributed across every game. It depends on matchups, what offenses are doing, etc.

He did the same thing in 2022. As I previously stated, in weeks 15-17 he had 6 sacks.

I think you can only fairly evaluate Reddick's 2023 focusing on weeks 4-13(after the cast and before Patricia).

Again, I am not gonna look at the stats with Reddick. I trust my eyes, like I did with Siposs, when peeps told me his stats were fine. I feel like I didn't feel his impact in affecting games in 2023, like I did in 2022. Don't want to hear about an injury or coaching as an excuse. When you are a dominant or "elite" player you find your way and overcome.  But in case you do want to get  into the stats. His stats suggest a pretty steep fall from being "elite" with a 30% drop-off in sacks and significant drop off in key areas like forced fumbles and run defense. That is with an increase of 45 snaps for year. That is all concerning going into your age 30 seasons and beyond. I like the player. But he's overvaluing himself, as is evident  by the the draft compensation they got and the lack of an extension....anywhere. Also, if you put Micah Parsons in this defense, I believe this Eagles defense would certainly not have looked as abysmal during the Superbowl and beyond as they did. Parsons feels like a 1 man wrecking crew to me, and can play all over the field. Reddick is a significant step down overall.  Parsons or even Bosa are  consistently noticeable on the field vs the pass or run. They are not in the same league. 

10 minutes ago, just relax said:

He had seven sacks in three games and four in the other 14.

Trent Cole is beloved as an eagles legend and he used to get all his sacks in a few game span.  I wouldn’t hold the distribution of the sacks against Reddick.  But his age is what it is.  We know any extension would be bad value.

13 minutes ago, just relax said:

He had seven sacks in three games and four in the other 14.

If we are doing this Josh sweat had 4 sacks in 3 games and just 2.5 in the other 14 (also 1 in his last 8 games). 

5-3 Phils!

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Can't be because they want to get younger when they have Bradberry, Slay, BG, etc.

They can't wait one year when they can also get rid of slay, bradberry, and BG? 

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