19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The reverse is also true.   It doesn't mean he wouldn't have.

Obviously. 

So now we're at "Ignore Reddick's own words and make up our own take on what Reddick actually wanted." I'll take his words at face value until we have evidence to the contrary. All the scant evidence to this point suggests the Eagles wanted Reddick gone more than he wanted to leave. Because if he wanted out of Philly, it was because of the money. And if he wasn't getting that money with his new team, it negates the entire premise of wanting out.

And Sheil brought up a good point today on WIP. That the Eagles love Vic Fangio. They value his opinion strongly. If Vic Fangio pounded the table that he loves Reddick and wants him on his defense, he'd probably be an Eagle right now. I'd say it's probably more likely Fangio was either meh on Reddick or didn't want him in his defense than Reddick so badly wanted out of town when we have absolutely no evidence to suggest that's true, and all we have are him saying the contrary.

Jenkins loved being an eagle too. Only so much, till he decided money was more important to him.

Gardner-Johnson wanted to be here. But left anyway.

Swift loved being an eagle.

Reddick wanted to be an eagle. 

Not everybody that wants to be an eagle values that over money.

And sometimes when they realize they cant get more money, theyre just tired of being told by this team that they arent worth it. As an ego thing they go elsewhere for the same, or less money. Thats what happened with Gardner-Johnson. Thats how it might play out for Reddick if he doesnt get his extension in NY.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Obviously. 

It's only obvious to some.   Some around here have convinced themselves that there was no way that Reddick was going to come back here and play without an extension.  Of course, he never said that, his agent never said that and not a single report exists out there that says that.   It is just what they have concocted in their own minds... just like there seems to be some sort of narrative swirling now that Reddick was somehow a locker room problem... despite there not being a single report to that effect either.  But, he gets to be vilified by some to validate the trade and the fact that Howie absolutely HAD to make the trade and had his hand forced into it.     The truth likely lies very much between the extremes. 

8 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Reddick never made the comments he's making today :"all options are open right now...I'm going to be happy and give my all" Which means he didn't want to be an Eagle. As much as he says he loved being here. He wanted to explore the market right now. And the market spoke, saying we are not giving you the hefty long term contract you want. And now he saves face and just has to bet on himself. Which he probably could have done in the 1st place here. He misplayed this. Not Howie. He wasn't gonna wait around for him regarding 2024, after talking for months. Howie got Huff and Baun. And absolutely played his cards correctly in this situation.

Wow.   Reddick never made ANY public comments.    You are making up a narrative.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

So now we're at "Ignore Reddick's own words and make up our own take on what Reddick actually wanted." I'll take his words at face value until we have evidence to the contrary. All the scant evidence to this point suggests the Eagles wanted Reddick gone more than he wanted to leave. Because if he wanted out of Philly, it was because of the money. And if he wasn't getting that money with his new team, it negates the entire premise of wanting out.

And Sheil brought up a good point today on WIP. That the Eagles love Vic Fangio. They value his opinion strongly. If Vic Fangio pounded the table that he loves Reddick and wants him on his defense, he'd probably be an Eagle right now. I'd say it's probably more likely Fangio was either meh on Reddick or didn't want him in his defense than Reddick so badly wanted out of town when we have absolutely no evidence to suggest that's true, and all we have are him saying the contrary.

No it doesn’t. Reddick wanted a new contract. Clearly the Eagles weren’t open to an extension. Reddick saying all options are on the table and it’s up to his agent and Joe Douglas strongly suggests that there are conversations going on about a new contract, or at least the Jets are open to the idea. That matters in this equation. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's only obvious to some.   Some around here have convinced themselves that there was no way that Reddick was going to come back here and play without an extension.  Of course, he never said that, his agent never said that and not a single report exists out there that says that.   It is just what they have concocted in their own minds... just like there seems to be some sort of narrative swirling now that Reddick was somehow a locker room problem... despite there not being a single report to that effect either.  But, he gets to be vilified by some to validate the trade and the fact that Howie absolutely HAD to make the trade and had his hand forced into it.     The truth likely lies very much between the extremes. 

This was a pretty extreme thing that happened. Trading a player the caliber of Reddick for the value of a 5th round pick. Likely something extreme lead to what amounts to extreme measures being taken.

I dont think you settle for that value, rather than letting him play for us, if everything was friendly between him and the FO. Or of the coach valued him. Or if he wasnt a problem in the locker room. Or, something.... 

There had to be something. Otherwise it makes no sense. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Jenkins loved being an eagle too. Only so much, till he decided money was more important to him.

Gardner-Johnson wanted to be here. But left anyway.

Swift loved being an eagle.

Reddick wanted to be an eagle. 

Not everybody that wants to be an eagle values that over money.

And sometimes when they realize they cant get more money, theyre just tired of being told by this team that they arent worth it. As an ego thing they go elsewhere for the same, or less money. Thats what happened with Gardner-Johnson. Thats how it might play out for Reddick if he doesnt get his extension in NY.

Action speaks louder than words.  Say all they want, more for PR purpose than real, I'm afraid.  

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

This was a pretty extreme thing that happened. Trading a player the caliber of Reddick for the value of a 5th round pick. Likely something extreme lead to what amounts to extreme measures being taken.

I dont think you settle for that value, rather than letting him play for us, if everything was friendly between him and the FO. Or of the coach valued him. Or if he wasnt a problem in the locker room. Or, something.... 

There had to be something. Otherwise it makes no sense. 

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8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Jenkins loved being an eagle too. Only so much, till he decided money was more important to him.

Gardner-Johnson wanted to be here. But left anyway.

Swift loved being an eagle.

Reddick wanted to be an eagle. 

Not everybody that wants to be an eagle values that over money.

And sometimes when they realize they cant get more money, theyre just tired of being told by this team that they arent worth it. As an ego thing they go elsewhere for the same, or less money. Thats what happened with Gardner-Johnson. Thats how it might play out for Reddick if he doesnt get his extension in NY.

Perfectly said. These athletes say all kinds of drivel. If he wants to be here, he is absolutely here right now, for 2024. As he originally signed to be. He forced Howies hand and thought he had leverage. After a declining season from 2022.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

This was a pretty extreme thing that happened. Trading a player the caliber of Reddick for the value of a 5th round pick. Likely something extreme lead to what amounts to extreme measures being taken.

I dont think you settle for that value, rather than letting him play for us, if everything was friendly between him and the FO. Or of the coach valued him. Or if he wasnt a problem in the locker room. Or, something.... 

There had to be something. Otherwise it makes no sense. 

Well, there were the reports and possibly quotes from him last season about dropping into coverage. We do know that Fangio will do that...so my bet is that Fangio doesn't think he's willing to do the things he wants him to and therefore isn't worth what we were paying him. The whole game being disguising everything until the last moment, but if a guy that hates to drop is on the field, it's a tell. Maybe?

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ugh…

You know he said that for you, right?

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Jenkins loved being an eagle too. Only so much, till he decided money was more important to him.

Gardner-Johnson wanted to be here. But left anyway.

Swift loved being an eagle.

Reddick wanted to be an eagle. 

Not everybody that wants to be an eagle values that over money.

And sometimes when they realize they cant get more money, theyre just tired of being told by this team that they arent worth it. As an ego thing they go elsewhere for the same, or less money. Thats what happened with Gardner-Johnson. 

 

How many Howie's ?

If Reddick says he wants out, he would have been traded for a 7th round pick or released. Good thing that he didn't say much, besides the company line. Reddick was already unhappy with his contract after 1 year here. Howie had to trade him before he either is a malcontent for another year or is worthless in trade if it comes out showing he's unhappy. I'm going to go by the ACTIONS that took place to assess here. Words are meaningless.....

The Jets have a maybe 2 year window to win with Rodgers.  They have focused heavily on short term boosts to their team to try to capitalize. They're all in with little moves aimed at planning for their future. 

The Eagles are trying to compete but also have a good young core and need to make sure they're planning for the next few years.  

They're in very different positions. So it makes sense they're approaching Reddick differently. 

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Jenkins loved being an eagle too. Only so much, till he decided money was more important to him.

Gardner-Johnson wanted to be here. But left anyway.

Swift loved being an eagle.

Reddick wanted to be an eagle. 

Not everybody that wants to be an eagle values that over money.

And sometimes when they realize they cant get more money, theyre just tired of being told by this team that they arent worth it. As an ego thing they go elsewhere for the same, or less money. Thats what happened with Gardner-Johnson. Thats how it might play out for Reddick if he doesnt get his extension in NY.

I don't think the Eagles wanted him to play contract out.  They wanted cost certainty to project cap going forward and couldn't agree on new deal.

5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Perfectly said. These athletes say all kinds of drivel. If he wants to be here, he is absolutely here right now, for 2024. As he originally signed to be. He forced Howies hand and thought he had leverage. After a declining season from 2022.

How did he force his hand? He was under contract. Howie didn't have to trade him. Lots of players ask for money. Some get it some don't. He can want to be here and also want more money. It's not like Reddick is some problem child who would destroy the locker room either.

12 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Action speaks louder than words.  Say all they want, more for PR purpose than real, I'm afraid.  

$$$ over everything for many especially when closing in on the end of a career. No more big pay checks for Uncle Sam, agents, and the likes to take half of. Retiring in the mid 30s takes more $ these days with inflation and all. Hell I feel like I need a min of 10 Million to retire comfortably and I'm just a measly peon.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

How did he force his hand? He was under contract. Howie didn't have to trade him. Lots of players ask for money. Some get it some don't. He can want to be here and also want more money. It's not like Reddick is some problem child who would destroy the locker room either.

Eagles had a bad locker room last year. It's very evident. Howie needed to clean things up here and not start out like this in a season with their star player unhappy. Eagles went elsewhere and did what they had to so. This was not a new issue presented to Howie out of nowhere. By the actions that took place it's evident that they couldn't come to agreeable terms for 2024, like the restructure with Sweat.

10 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

If Reddick says he wants out, he would have been traded for a 7th round pick or released. Good thing that he didn't say much, besides the company line. Reddick was already unhappy with his contract after 1 year here. Howie had to trade him before he either is a malcontent for another year or is worthless in trade if it comes out showing he's unhappy. I'm going to go by the ACTIONS that took place to assess here. Words are meaningless.....

And yet, your previous post was all about what he said and how you interpreted those words.   

 

Very consistent of you.

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Eagles had a bad locker room last year. It's very evident. Howie needed to clean things up here and not start out like this in a season with their star player unhappy. Eagles went elsewhere and did what they had to so. This was not a new issue presented to Howie out of nowhere. By the actions that took place it's evident that they couldn't come to agreeable terms for 2024.

At least they moved him out of the NFC. The more I look at it that Jets defense is going to be a problem.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

Eagles had a bad locker room last year. It's very evident. Howie needed to clean things up here and not start out like this in a season with their star player unhappy. Eagles went elsewhere and did what they had to so. This was not a new issue presented to Howie out of nowhere.

It's not evident. People have assumed that because the way the team fell apart. There has been no reporting that said this locker room didn't like each other. Maybe the players and coaches just sucked. Multiple players have come out and refuted this. AJ Brown, Brandon Graham, and others have said the locker room is tight, they just didn't execute on the field. You're taking a lot of liberties with your assumptions.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

It's not evident. People have assumed that because the way the team fell apart. There has been no reporting that said this locker room didn't like each other. Maybe the players and coaches just sucked. Multiple players have come out and refuted this. AJ Brown, Brandon Graham, and others have said the locker room is tight, they just didn't execute on the field. You're taking a lot of liberties with your assumptions.

If there were any locker room problems I'm guessing it was a player coach thing not player to player. Those coaches for the most part have been removed. I think our mercenaries that were brought in made a fuss. That part was evident. You know that safety that wanted the DBs to do their own scouting because he knew more than the coaching staff. Yeah... he's gone too.