23 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Perfectly said. These athletes say all kinds of drivel. If he wants to be here, he is absolutely here right now, for 2024. As he originally signed to be. He forced Howies hand and thought he had leverage. After a declining season from 2022.

I'm thinking that he got what he wanted. He's now on a far superior defense where he can rack up some sack numbers. Eagles defense will likely be trash again.

Eagles are preventing a $60mm 2025 dead cap issue, and moving Reddick lets them make the biggest dent in it. If he played here in 2024, they get a $14mm dead cap in 2025. They will also have 2025 dead cap hits from the retirements of Kelce, Cox, and Graham most likely.

Sweat was willing to restructure and kick the can down the road, but Reddick was looking for a pay increase that exceeded what the Eagles were willing to pay. There were reports Reddick was asking for $25mm. Eagles found an opportunity to remove $14mm from 2025s dead cap, replace an aging player, and get a future 3rd round pick. Future cap space is worth more to this team than this years cap space due to the way they structure contracts.

Just now, wussbasket said:

Eagles are preventing a $60mm 2025 dead cap issue, and moving Reddick lets them make the biggest dent in it. If he played here in 2024, they get a $14mm dead cap in 2025. They will also have 2025 dead cap hits from the retirements of Kelce, Cox, and Graham most likely.

Sweat was willing to restructure and kick the can down the road, but Reddick was looking for a pay increase that exceeded what the Eagles were willing to pay. There were reports Reddick was asking for $25mm. Eagles found an opportunity to remove $14mm from 2025s dead cap, replace an aging player, and get a future 3rd round pick. Future cap space is worth more to this team than this years cap space due to the way they structure contracts.

future future 3rd round pick

4 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Eagles are preventing a $60mm 2025 dead cap issue, and moving Reddick lets them make the biggest dent in it. If he played here in 2024, they get a $14mm dead cap in 2025. They will also have 2025 dead cap hits from the retirements of Kelce, Cox, and Graham most likely.

Sweat was willing to restructure and kick the can down the road, but Reddick was looking for a pay increase that exceeded what the Eagles were willing to pay. There were reports Reddick was asking for $25mm. Eagles found an opportunity to remove $14mm from 2025s dead cap, replace an aging player, and get a future 3rd round pick. Future cap space is worth more to this team than this years cap space due to the way they structure contracts.

You can roll over cap room in the NFL, so present cap room has more value to Howie than future cap room, since it provides more optionality.

However, I'm sure he has a spreadsheet where this is worked out, and they have sufficient cap room to make any conceivable move this season, so reducing future cap hits has plenty of value.

38 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

So now we're at "Ignore Reddick's own words and make up our own take on what Reddick actually wanted." I'll take his words at face value until we have evidence to the contrary. All the scant evidence to this point suggests the Eagles wanted Reddick gone more than he wanted to leave. Because if he wanted out of Philly, it was because of the money. And if he wasn't getting that money with his new team, it negates the entire premise of wanting out.

And Sheil brought up a good point today on WIP. That the Eagles love Vic Fangio. They value his opinion strongly. If Vic Fangio pounded the table that he loves Reddick and wants him on his defense, he'd probably be an Eagle right now. I'd say it's probably more likely Fangio was either meh on Reddick or didn't want him in his defense than Reddick so badly wanted out of town when we have absolutely no evidence to suggest that's true, and all we have are him saying the contrary.

Fangio didn't pound the table for Reddick b/c he probably saw him as a pass rush specialist in his system, valuable, but not irreplaceable.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You can roll over cap room in the NFL, so present cap room has more value to Howie than future cap room, since it provides more optionality.

However, I'm sure he has a spreadsheet where this is worked out, and they have sufficient cap room to make any conceivable move this season, so reducing future cap hits has plenty of value.

Agree, I mean it more in the beginning of FA. Howie structures the contracts where the first year cap hit is very low. Trying to get a FA to fit into this years cap isn't so much of an issue, its the future years that need planning. 2 years ago they had like $4mm in cap space, and they were still able to sign Swift and a few other FAs.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

It doesn't, but we have no evidence to suggest he wouldn't have done the same. Considering he loved being here and never wanted to leave(per his own words).

Exactly, he spoke up saying how much he loves it here. This got front office stench all over it 

37 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

How did he force his hand? He was under contract. Howie didn't have to trade him. Lots of players ask for money. Some get it some don't. He can want to be here and also want more money. It's not like Reddick is some problem child who would destroy the locker room either.

Hargrave played his last season here without a word. And got paid in his age 30 season. Reddick has been talking since after year 1 about wanting more money. If Reddick is hush he's still an Eagle this year and next year he can go get paid. In other words, he forced his hand or he's still here. If he wants more money he can have a great year before free agency and get paid.

10 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Hargrave played his last season here without a word. And got paid in his age 30 season. Reddick has been talking since after year 1 about wanting more money. If Reddick is hush he's still an Eagle this year and next year he can go get paid. In other words he , he forced his hand or he's still here. Like Hargrave...

I'm sure Reddick's desires contributing to him leaving. I take issue with the word "forced." He didn't force his way out. He contributed to his way out.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm sure Reddick's desires contributing to him leaving. I take issue with the word "forced." He didn't force his way out. He contributed to his way out.

It's all semantics. But I think he and his agent got their wishes. They want money ASAP and Howie ain't giving it up. I think he would have let him play here for 2024 and tried. Just like with Sweat. I think Reddick even hinted "it's a business decision"

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

It's not evident. People have assumed that because the way the team fell apart. There has been no reporting that said this locker room didn't like each other. Maybe the players and coaches just sucked. Multiple players have come out and refuted this. AJ Brown, Brandon Graham, and others have said the locker room is tight, they just didn't execute on the field. You're taking a lot of liberties with your assumptions.

 

You're in detail right now.

16 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

It's all semantics. But I think he and his agent got their wishes. They want money ASAP and Howie ain't giving it up. I think he would have let him play here for 2024 and tried. Just like with Sweat. I think Reddick even hinted "it's a business decision"

Well that ties back to my original point. If Reddick doesn't get a new contract with the Jets, it makes this trade all the more infuriating and confounding.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Well that ties back to my original point. If Reddick doesn't get a new contract with the Jets, it makes this trade all the more infuriating and confounding.

I think he would take a contact from whoever that meets his price. Otherwise, he can do like Chris Jones.  Play out the season and bet on himself and then get paid. He maybe could have done that here. Win a superbowl  and get paid. Ha. Not happening in NYJ. For sure. Teams are not guaranteeing huge money to a 30 year old, if they can just do that after the season. He could get hurt or decline again. Howie did what he could here and explored all options. I trust him to do that. He's no fool!

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I think he would take a contact from whoever that meets his price. Otherwise, he can do like Chris Jones.  Play out the season and bet on himself and then get paid. He maybe could have done that here. Win a superbowl  and get paid. Ha. Not happening in NYJ. For sure. Teams are not guaranteeing huge money to a 30 year old, if they can just do that after the season. He could get hurt or decline again. Howie did what he could here and explored all options. I trust him to do that. He's no fool!

Didn't Chris Jones hold out until he got his contract?

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't Chris Jones hold out until he got 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't Chris Jones hold out until he got his contract?

 

No. He just signed a long term deal a couple weeks ago after the season.

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles have drafted Carter, Davis, Nolan Smith, and Williams over the past 3 drafts, and there's still people asking who's replacing DL players?  Holy hell .... 

bUT tHey WErE On tHe ROsTeR LaST yEAr

I'm sure Howie did explore all options. Doesn't mean the route he chose to go in this saga is going to work out though. Whether you support the trade or not, there's no denying that it's a gamble. It's not like they gave up some washed up player and signed a proven superstar pass rusher. There is risk here. And it's up to Howie to be right when he makes moves like this. I have my doubts on this particular one.

We should be rooting for Reddick to kill it this year. Go get those sacks!

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

What if he does that and re-signs with the Eagles for 2025?

On a one year deal and then walks for COMP PICKZZZZZZ

 

 

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm sure Howie did explore all options. Doesn't mean the route he chose to go in this saga is going to work out though. Whether you support the trade or not, there's no denying that it's a gamble. It's not like they gave up some washed up player and signed a proven superstar pass rusher. There is risk here. And it's up to Howie to be right when he makes moves like this. I have my doubts on this particular one.

It's also a gamble to keep him on the roster if he's unhappy. And he found his replacement in Huff. Reddick's snaps were going down here regardless and he probably didn't want that. I think Howie got what he could. And got better than the potential compensatory pick. He has optionality in being to able to use that pick in a trade to better the roster rather than wait 2 years for it. I don't know what peeps wanted him to do differently here?! In these circumstances? I don't think Reddick would be happy being an Eagle in 2024, given his demands and circumstances. So he's out! Maybe he comes to his senses like Gardner and comes back in 2025 at a reasonable contract. Doubt it, but who knows?

 

 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm sure Howie did explore all options. Doesn't mean the route he chose to go in this saga is going to work out though. Whether you support the trade or not, there's no denying that it's a gamble. It's not like they gave up some washed up player and signed a proven superstar pass rusher. There is risk here. And it's up to Howie to be right when he makes moves like this. I have my doubts on this particular one.

Here's the fun part, they are going to do this same thing again in 2 years with Huff if it doesn't work out.

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn't Chris Jones hold out until he got his contract?

He held out last year and missed game 1 

 

But who have we brought in to replace Shaq Leonard?  Answer me THAT Howie fluffers

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

It's also a gamble to keep him on the roster if he's unhappy. And he found his replacement in Huff. Reddicks snaps were going down here regardless. I think he did got what he could. And got better than the potential compensatory pick. He has optionality in being to able to use that pick in a trade to better the roster rather than wait 2 years for it. I don't know what peeps wanted him to do differently here?! In these circumstances? I don't Reddick would be happy being an Eagle in 2024 given his demands and circumstances. So he's out!

Sports would be better off if more teams and GMs stopped catering to the whims of grumpy players under contract not being happy. The reality of this is hurting sports possibly more than any other thing. It's made the NBA virtually unenjoyable(in my opinion).

That said if I were Howie, I would have given him his extension, freed up cap collars for 2024, used that money to go out and sign a better LB(or two) than they did, or trade for a corner, and my defense, at least in the short term, would be drastically improved.

Because of the Eagles shenanigans messing around with edge, they basically used their top free agent signing to fill a hole they themselves created. Detracting from possibilities they could have spent elsewhere. Once the season ended I was hoping for significant upgrades to the defense and they simply have not made those if you factor in Cox and Reddick leaving.

My plan, albeit with some risk long-term, would have the Eagles better positioned to win a Lombardi in 2024.

Restructured Reddick, Jordyn Brooks, Azeez Al Shaair, CJGJ >>> what the Eagles did IMO. That's what I would have preferred him do.