Just now, bpac55 said:

It sounds like that might be a reality too. There was a quote last week, I think from Howie, that made it sound like it's an option. I think we all assume he's going to be a post-June 1st cut, and Howie might just be saying all of the right things, but I wouldn't be shocked now to see them bring him back. 

 

This year, yeah. I've been saying for awhile he'll probably be back this year. 

But he's signed next year too. So do the Eagles need to honor that contract and keep him for 2025?

8 minutes ago, twistr said:

He asked for the trade.

He told you that?

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

You can't use Reddick's own words to know what he said.  You have to believe what posters here declare him to have done and said behind closed doors and in the locker room.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's still no reason to vilify him. He wanted more money after he thinks he out performed the contract. He has that right. Eagles didn't want to pay him more. They have that right. So he got traded. It is what it is, like he said, business. 

And if anyone has a problem with him refusing to honor the contract, I guess that means Eagles have to pay Bradberry this year and next year to "honor the contract". 

 

Yeah. Reddick definitely balled out while here. He should be getting 20+ with the cap increase at a min. I'm not seeing the not honoring his contract part though. I didn't see him hold out or anything. Agent was doing his job IMO with a 3 year deal expiring.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Sorry, his agent got permission to find a trade.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Maybe not 25, but I would have given him close. I really think his age is being overrated. He's not that old. He will likely be productive through age 32, then we'll see. I want the defense to get better. If they can get better and also younger and faster, that's a cherry on top. But I don't think the defensive personnel on paper is better. I think at best they broke even, and possibly are worse. Devin White is fast. He's also out of position often and gets eaten up by blockers. Speed isn't everything. I wanted to say that at this point in free agency the Eagles defense is sizeably better and right now I can't say that. And I consider that disappointing.

Once the games start, all this stuff goes out the window. If the Eagles and Cowboys are both 11-4 in December and they're tied 24-24 in the 4th quarter and Devin White bites on a play action fake or if Bryce Huff and Nolan Smith aren't producing, none of this stuff is going to matter. All you and every other Eagles fan are going to care about once the season starts is are the guys good enough or not. The talk about age is entirely an offseason creation.

Guarantee the posts on here in December if one of the young guys costs them a game will be "___ Fing blows. Thanks, Howie" and not "Guys, we're younger and have a healthier future, that's the important thing."

He may be "productive" thru 32 but that isn't worth close to $25M. We have to account for last year dipping significantly in every key statistical category. GM's are gonna want proof this year before they hand out BIG MONEY to him on next contract, starting at age 31 season. Personally, based on his last year of not following up with dominance, he's worth $18-20M. But do it for 1 year only. He could end up easily like Clowney on 1 year deals after this. He's on his 4th team right now.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You can't use Reddick's own words to know what he said.  You have to believe what posters here declare him to have done and said behind closed doors and in the locker room.

I'm getting at, while he may not have wanted the trade, his team was given permission to find a trade because he did not want to play for the money they were offering. So while he didn't say, "I want a trade", he in essence asked for a trade without asking for it because he preferred not to play for the money on the contract.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

He may be "productive" thru 32 but that isn't worth close to $25M. We have to account for last year dipping significantly in every key statistical category. GM's are gonna want proof this year before they hand out BIG MONEY to him on next contract, starting at age 31 season.

Doubt he gets 25 but he'll be in the 20s. Maybe a similar deal to Hargrave.

1 minute ago, twistr said:

I'm getting at, while he may not have wanted the trade, his team was given permission to find a trade because he did not want to play for the money they were offering. So while he didn't say, "I want a trade", he in essence asked for a trade without asking for it because he preferred not to play for the money on the contract.

lol. Stop. Now you're reaching. He didn't ask for a trade. The agent was doing his job. It's a business. This is what happens when a player enters into his final year of a contract. Negotiations start for the next one as early as the start of year 2 in a 3 year contract especially if said player plays well. They'll run into the same thing with Huff if he has a break out season. Agent starts barking up the tree early to set a baseline for negotiations.

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

He may be "productive" thru 32 but that isn't worth close to $25M. We have to account for last year dipping significantly in every key statistical category. GM's are gonna want proof this year before they hand out BIG MONEY to him on next contract, starting at age 31 season. Personally, based on his last year of not following up with dominance, he's worth $18-20M. But do it for 1 year only. He could end up easily like Clowney on 1 year deals after this. He's on his 4th team right now.

Value is subjective. For one, we already know why his stats dropped. He played with a broken thumb for a month and Matt Patricia ruined the defense. But people only care about value when the player isn't good anymore. If Reddick signed an extension for 25m per season and got 12 sacks next year, no one is going to go "We paid the guy like a 15 sack guy, but he only got 12." That discourse doesn't exist. No one does that. If Reddick only got 6 sacks making 25m, then yeah, people would complain about his money.

As long as players are playing well and are contributing at a relatively high level, both teams and fans generally don't nitpick how much money they're making. When Devonta gets his extension at around 25m per season, no one on here is going to be complaining if he finishes next season with 1050 yards and 7 TDs.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

lol. Stop. Now you're reaching. He didn't ask for a trade. The agent was doing his job. It's a business. This is what happens when a player enters into his final year of a contract. Negotiations start for the next one as early as the start of year 2 in a 3 year contract especially if said player plays well. They'll run into the same thing with Huff if he has a break out season. Agent starts barking up the tree early to set a baseline for negotiations.

Would you prefer it be said as he preferred a trade to playing for his as stated contract for the Eagles? Unless you think the Eagles told his team they were not keeping him on this contract like this and to go find a trade partner.

Weird how people are twisting words or just straight making things up about the Reddick trade. Most were excited about Reddick with Fangio but then do a 180 and he's a locker room problem and all this other stuff lol

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Value is subjective. For one, we already know why his stats dropped. He played with a broken thumb for a month and Matt Patricia ruined the defense. But people only care about value when the player isn't good anymore. If Reddick signed an extension for 25m per season and got 12 sacks next year, no one is going to go "We paid the guy like a 15 sack guy, but he only got 12." That discourse doesn't exist. No one does that. If Reddick only got 6 sacks making 25m, then yeah, people would complain about his money.

As long as players are playing well and are contributing at a relatively high level, both teams and fans generally don't nitpick how much money they're making. When Devonta gets his extension at around 25m per season, no one on here is going to be complaining if he finishes next season with 1050 yards and 7 TDs.

Devonte is a young buck with prime years ahead. Reddick could be in fact out of his prime next year if he dips again. Can you name one defensive end/linebacker who was worth $25M in his age 31 and age 32 seasons?

Was interested in him. Justin Simmons is the only real quality safety left now if the Eagles want to add another guy.

But hey, Howie's too busy tinkering with the DL that was already fine to worry about adding more players to the secondary.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Weird how people are twisting words or just straight making things up about the Reddick trade. Most were excited about Reddick with Fangio but then do a 180 and he's a locker room problem and all this other stuff lol

I don't think that at all, I just think he wasn't happy with his contract, which is what has been reported. I think he was fine in the locker room, but questioned being used in coverage, which was also reported. I think he would have been fine on this team, it's not like he had to go from that front. It would have worked fine if he stayed. We also don't know that the trade that was done was found by Reddick's team or Howie did it with Joe D separately.

7 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Devonte is a young buck with prime years ahead. Reddick could be in fact out of his prime next year if he dips again. Can you name one defensive end/linebacker who was worth $25M in his age 31 and age 32 seasons?

I don't think it can be looked at that way though. You're asking me to look back in the past when salaries aren't what they are now. It always has to be relative to the era they signed in. But I'm sure there are plenty of edge rushers throughout history that played very well through their 31 and 32 year old seasons. And for the ones that didn't, in Reddick's case, you'd still have him through the year 30 season. Sometimes that's how deals work. You sign guys long term knowing that in the back end you're going to pay for it, but you get the production on the front end.

And all of this isn't even including the fact that we both know in the NFL contracts are structured to where even if Reddick got an extension he wouldn't exactly be seeing every penny of 25m, nor would the cap hits be structured so.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

How many shrooms can that buy?

Just now, twistr said:

I don't think that at all, I just think he wasn't happy with his contract, which is what has been reported. I think he was fine in the locker room, but questioned being used in coverage, which was also reported. I think he would have been fine on this team, it's not like he had to go from that front. It would have worked fine if he stayed. We also don't know that the trade that was done was found by Reddick's team or Howie did it with Joe D separately.

My post was about what I've seen since the trade was announced

Reddick was never great in pass coverage.  He was never consistent as a pass rusher. 

He was a splash-play kind of defender when he was here, and for as awesome as he was at times, that's not the type of player you pay huge money to when he's hitting the age he's at.

Locking in a top-100 pick for him (maybe top 64) was the smart move.  Apparently it was also the best deal that was going to be had from the rest of the league.

Can't blame the guy for wanting his payday.  Hopefully he goes on a tear in NY and gets his bag there.  Wasn't worth the risk for us. 

Late but I didn't see it posted earlier

 

5 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Reddick was never great in pass coverage.  He was never consistent as a pass rusher. 

He was a splash-play kind of defender when he was here, and for as awesome as he was at times, that's not the type of player you pay huge money to when he's hitting the age he's at.

Locking in a top-100 pick for him (maybe top 64) was the smart move.  Apparently it was also the best deal that was going to be had from the rest of the league.

Can't blame the guy for wanting his payday.  Hopefully he goes on a tear in NY and gets his bag there.  Wasn't worth the risk for us. 

Pretty much sums it up and should end this.

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think it can be looked at that way though. You're asking me to look back in the past when salaries aren't what they are now. It always has to be relative to the era they signed in. But I'm sure there are plenty of edge rushers throughout history that played very well through their 31 and 32 year old seasons. And for the ones that didn't, in Reddick's case, you'd still have him through the year 30 season. Sometimes that's how deals work. You sign guys long term knowing that in the back end you're going to pay for it, but you get the production on the front end.

And all of this isn't even including the fact that we both know in the NFL contracts are structured to where even if Reddick got an extension he wouldn't exactly be seeing every penny of 25m, not would the cap hits be structured so.

At $25M, I want someone to dominate and be a franchise type guy. Not just play well. We can sign a young buck next offseason for that price. Tell me a guy who was still playing like his prime at  at ages 31 and 32? I think you're stuck with Haasan Reddick at age 28 in 2022, when he probably peaked on a great defensive line. Can't think of any guys who were worth top dollar at those ages besides maybe Reggie White. We will have to revisit this later. My bet is he becomes a Clowney type of dude who hunts 1 year deals each year and goes to the highest bidder. Clowney is 31 this year and is getting $10M after 9.5 sacks last year. Reddick for $18-20M in his age 31 season is plenty of money. I personally want young guys here going forward for any large investments.

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But hey, Howie's too busy tinkering with the DL that was already fine to worry about adding more players to the secondary.

Are you sure Reddick wouldn't have held out of camp?  He was already unhappy with his contract going into 2023

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

At $25M, I want someone to dominate and be a franchise type guy. Not just play well. We can sign a young buck next offseason for that price. Tell me a guy who was still playing like his prime at years at 31 and 32? I think you're stuck with Haasan Reddick at age 28 in 2022, when he probably peaked on a great defensive line. Can't think of any guys who were worth top dollar at those ages besides maybe Reggie White. We will have to revisit this later. My bet is he becomes a Clowney type of dude who hunts 1 year deals each year and goes to the highest bidder. Clowney is 31 this year and is getting $10M after 9.5 sacks last year. Reddick for $18-20M in his age 31 season is plenty of money. I personally want young guys here going forward for any large investments.

The market will decide.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Are you sure Reddick wouldn't have held out of camp?  He was already unhappy with his contract going into 2023

I think he would have. Someone said he could do what Chris Jones did but Jones held out until he was given a new contract